Benefit of Doubt - Page 5

Created

Last reply

Replies

49

Views

2.5k

Users

17

Likes

118

Frequent Posters

PPak thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 0 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 4 months ago
#41

Originally posted by: vira76

they are not done with this ani-arshi marriage track. it's going to continue in Kolkata. and that is the most frustrating part for me. What was the point of this Kashmir track if this is what they wanted to show...

Yeh for me as well Ani - arshi marriage is that is the end of the show!

100% Ani and J will head abck to BH as husband and wife. With acceptance or not - seems likely the latter.

this track is just to show how resolute both Ani and J are in not wrecking Ani Arshi multiple years relationship before they wreck it and to give Arshi a good reason to torment J for the rest of their lives.

Toxicity

PPak thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 0 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 4 months ago
#42

he wants R to confess his love and marry the one he loves...what abt following his own advise?

Originally posted by: Manoshono

How did I even miss this post!


Till yesterday many our gals convince me about his selfless love. I am not too sure if I would want to 100% believe on that saying.


I have no doubt on Ani’s consistent favors for Jhanak out of respect, love or concern, but the question is about his consistency with his feelings. He has been dragging his feelings everywhere and anywhere. I don’t know whether he is way too overwhelmed or being mounted by responsibilities, commitments, and consents, he’s becoming weak and disoriented and it sucks!


I expected much more than that with Anirudh mainly because he is Alpha and has always been so. Fearless and dominant, more like my way or highway kind of a thing. Sticking to his beliefs and morals. Now it seems like, he was faking it all this time. The writers have been so disappointing after rain episode with Anirudh’s confusing state that I don’t know if they are actually trying to make their audience understand from a different aspect. However it maybe, it’s really not working sorry smiley36


He loves Arshi, he doesn’t feel comfortable with the physical intimacy with her.


He confessed to Jhanak, but he doesn’t believe in the marriage with her fully.


He wants Jhanak to accept the reality of their marriage, but doesn’t want to stop his marriage with Arshi!


Then comes Rahul and Jhanak’s wedding. He wants Jhanak to understand his feelings but he is setting her with Rahul.


Koi bhi confuse hojaye Mr. Bose ke haal ko dekh ke! 🤦‍♀️😭



rysohini thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 4 months ago
#43

Bold - Not sure if this addresses some of it?


https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/165407201


Originally posted by: Anusha16


The answer for your first and second questions contradict each other.


As for question 3,4,5 I will reserve judgment since I need to see more of the Ani from today's episode to conclude any thoughts.

Edited by rysohini - 4 months ago
rysohini thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 4 months ago
#44

Thank you for the detailed counter analysis too smiley32 Every coin rightfully has 2 sides to it !


I will probably write in detail on some of the points you touched upon , later in the day.


But for now, just so I still can find a reason to keep watching this show [yeah you do need to train youself with justifications behind doing so] I will say the following -


1. This is an iTV show that I have signed up for , that will drag to possibly 1000 epi s.

2. The very first 'right' that Ani should have done was handed over J's mom letter to J and said bbye ! Shut Shop. However, it is not so much the 'right' s he does but the 'not so right' s that takes the story forward.

If we start writing down all the 'right' s and 'should have's, we will fall short of pages smiley36

3. Just 'love' alone, is not enough! To love is one thing, to be able to nibha pana is a completely different ball-game ! Their 'love' is at a very nascent stage !

4.Lastly, if I try to map each of these characters on a moral compass, I will lose connect very soon ! I will probably start to wish for a no #RuNak at all. But then what gurantee do I have, that a #JhaRa would be any better? Or much rather J spends a life on her own, away from all Ani s, Rahul s and Tejas es! I had rather go with "jaise tera main, waise mera tu" and "mere liye tum kafi ho" smiley1


Originally posted by: PPak

smiley32 well captured analysis smiley12 enjoyed reading it. Here is a counter smiley1


1. Why does Ani not proclaim love to J - yes agreed he has tried to many times, quite clearly to share hsi feeliings with J, but while he is hinting and flirting with J, he is also telling Arshi he loves her at every juncture, even with J in full earshot. What value is Anis' interest in J when he always goes back to Arshi. In fact he has said that, he will always find his way back to Arshi. Do you want J to take Ani's words seriously?. J has proclaimed her love so much more openly than Ani and many times. He just does not want to listen and understand. You think when he realizes he will layega buchaal, J already said during Avinash marriage track that acknowledging her love will cause bawaal, and Ani thinks he is talking abt Rahul.????..what bawaal will shaadi with Rahul cause? Ani has issues. While he feels intensely, when he wants something, he is so afraid of it that he cant see the truth.

2 fold answer, - 1. he cannot read signals J has clearly sent (why is a red flag) and 2. he consistently sends out mixed signals. If J really thought Ani loved her, she would expect him to still keep his commitments, but is it unreasonable to expect that he avoids open declarations of love and eagerness to marry Arshi asap.

You spoke of consent. Ani def does not seek consent from Jhanak in any aspect other than expressing love? Where is consent when he semi - forcefully kept her in BH, made her participate in his office show, took her shopping, out to a hotel, do ads, removed her dupatta in the hut, no end here. J for whatever reason told Ani she wants to go with Tejas, yet Ani without her consent held her back for her own good. That means for him her well being is more important than consent, no?

One more - sorry an edit. Where is consent in keeping her dad's truth and mom's letter from her. This is totally unacceptable. Who is he to decide what is good. If something happens to him, she will never learn the truth. Unbelievable control complex here. He needs to be part of her life.

2. Why does Ani want Rahul to marry J - I agree with your response, yet again he is doing this without her explicit consent. She is an adult who left him behind in Calcutta to come to Kashmir per him for Rahul. What is his business in fixing this relationship? If she wants and Rahul wants they will figure it out. They don't really need him to play Cupid. Ani has such a ownership feeling wrt J it is downright scary.

3.Why does he not proclaim his love to the world? Even though Ani has tried to communicate his feelings with J he has never given a hint of this to anyone else. Even with choton, he has never accepted his love. What badnaami for J with proclaiming his love. Exact opposite is happening here. J is seen as someone who is seducing Ani, bcos he claims he loves Arshi and only has zimmedari for J. If he becomes a man, and says he loves J and is doing all these things for her, the BH cannot accuse J of doing her best to trap Ani. Him keeping quiet is not helping her, its adding to her be-izzati, because BH is saying Ani loves Arshi - so his obsession with J is instiagted by J, and Ani is bola.

4. Why should J break the wedding? I feel very strongly here. Why should she? What confirmation she has that Ani loves her and not Arshi - mind reading? or a few occasions of flirting and words like tu berehem hai? I agree Ani's actions showed his care for J over Arshi, but with every incident end, Ani proclaims love for Arshi and his eagerness to marry her. Ani has never made J feel she is his world and Arshi means nothing. Everything he has done will make J think Ani wants her on the side and Arshi for his wife. He said he cannot think of life without her, did he ever ask her to accept the marriage, The one time he broached it, the timing made it seem like he did it to get sexual favors,he could not control himself, his words too - the climate the rain made him say it??? J asked the right question, why are you saying this -what do you want???

Ani is not a bachha for J to save him from himself, he has put her in the same position her mom died to get her out of...beizzati...he violated the purpose of her mothers death to satisfy his own need to "protect" her. How many times J has told him, her wish was to get away from BH and to let her go? She attempted suicide to get away from him, it shows she was not speaking juts like that. She felt the beizzati was worse than dying, yet Ani disregarded her wishes and made his better counsel to save her from herself. When J finds outher mom committed suicide to free her from be-izzati and Ani dumped her into more of it how will she reconcile with this? BH has called her besharam, behaya, what not? J has gone from being a strong willed spunky girl to a very docile subservient version of her, because of all she has faced at BH. She may have fared better in the shelter house.

Also J has been a shield for Ani in many scenarios, saved him from villagers, offered herself as sacrifice each time to keep safe and happy with his family and Arshi by going with Tejas. Effort in a relationship can be diff percentages across the board, but respect, love and standing in a relationship has to be 50-50. Ani has never considered J a 50% equal. The day of the patt bhawaal, Ani courtesously requests Arshi to come to his room to speak, and then orders J to go to her room. Arshi, Vinayak and others have spoke of how Ani needs to control J.

Best interst for J is to not interfere with the wedding. If Ani is truly in love with her, he will not and cannot marry another girl. After recognizing he cannot even hug Arshi he went to marry her and put sindoor even after pandit tells him not to. He has had so many excuses to postpone the wedding. Yet he is always eager to jump to get married asap to Arshi.

If J stops the wedding she will forever be called marriage wrecker. Even with doing nothing she has this tag, imagine the be-izzati she has t endure all her life. Knowing Ani's personality, if she does something to upset him, he may even bring up that she was the one who broke his relationship with Arshi. So glad she stuck to her guns and did not call the wedding off. I knew she would not. It would become untenable for her.

Also J can live with out Ani, he is the one who is needier.

5. Why dioes Ani not stop his wedding with Arshi - Vira nailed it - Its because he values his commitment to Arshi in terms of years spent, more than his love for J. Lets say J does not love him and is marrying R. OK -so if not J, then Arshi?

Ani is marrying Arshi, lying to her that he loves her, while he loves J and will imagine Arshi as J. What kind of wimp is he? If he had the guts to tell Arshi - I love J, but to honor my commitment I will marry you, thats a true man. Again here he is taking Arshi's consent to a loveless marriage away from her. Arshi is resigned to a loveless marriage and still wants Ani, but he does not know this. What kind of person is he to marry Arshi without telling her he loves another. The way he desperately wants to marry Arshi at any cost is so off putting, unless there is good reason, he has just lost all respect from me.

Somewhere Ani has to feel something for Arshi. Maybe not love or physical attraction, but there is a strong feeling here that makes him willing enough to sacrifice his entire life. I would not underestimate this feeling if I were Jhanak. It will come back to haunt her later, his guilt his need to redress the wrong done to her, esp if she cannot move on. Here banshee has openly told J she will never let her have Ani even if she has to be in a loveless relationship.

Sorry yaar long post and yes its very anti-Ani. Sorry if I offended you or any Ani lovers. Its just mean tto be a counter argument to yours. I defended him very much yesterday and Ja lso is to blame but def not equally. I was drawn to Runak for their story. The makers just destroyed the guys image. I think they are building his grey shades for later conflict and that makes me worried for my own sanity.. Im sure when he actually sees J with R or realizes that J does not love R all his ownership feeling for J will surface and she will also get weak esp if Ani gets hurt, but nothing will take away the bad taste he has brought to all the viewers.




PPak thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 0 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 4 months ago
#45

Originally posted by: rysohini

Thank you for the detailed counter analysis too smiley32 Every coin rightfully has 2 sides to it !


I will probably write in detail on some of the points you touched upon , later in the day.


But for now, just so I still can find a reason to keep watching this show [yeah you do need to train youself with justifications behind doing so] I will say the following -


1. This is an iTV show that I have signed up for , that will drag to possibly 1000 epi s.

2. The very first 'right' that Ani should have done was handed over J's mom letter to J and said bbye ! Shut Shop. However, it is not so much the 'right' s he does but the 'not so right' s that takes the story forward.

If we start writing down all the 'right' s and 'should have's, we will fall short of pages smiley36

3. Just 'love' alone, is not enough! To love is one thing, to be able to nibha pana is a completely different ball-game ! Their 'love' is at a very nascent stage !

4.Lastly, if I try to map each of these characters on a moral compass, I will lose connect very soon ! I will probably start to wish for a no #RuNak at all. But then what gurantee do I have, that a #JhaRa would be any better? Or much rather J spends a life on her own, away from all Ani s, Rahul s and Tejas es! I had rather go with "jaise tera main, waise mera tu" and "mere liye tum kafi ho" smiley1



More than the show I am currently enjoying the forum. Its lovely to get diff perspectives. I used to enjoy guessing what would happen next until sense went out of the window.


I know its itv. Same stry cant they tell with a bit more attention to characterization. IS it really so hard? Sigh

Ani should have come home told everyone what happeed, see ifthe marriage was legal and applied for a divorce. He married her by force or not. How can he just walk away.

#3 100% - these guys are still not truly in love. They have bonded emotionally because of their circumstances

The makers are pretty sharp. I don't think it is sloppy writing. They are intentionally having Ani flip flop with a weak commitment to keep the viewers in a state of agitation so we will come back and show can go on indefinitely. I would rather Ani be grey and be the one who informed the pandit to cancel his wedding than be a wimp who roars and then squeaks.

I wrote so much in response to you in one stretch and did not even want to go back and read what I wrote. it just all came pouring out...the real frustration...oh my! smiley1

rysohini thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 4 months ago
#46

You are correct about the forum, it's partly coz of this forum that I watch the epi, and then come back and vent it out all , dil ko tasalli mil jati hai smiley36

Makers have really taken some extreme creative liberties with Ani's character, and as much as Krushal's Ani kept us glued to our sets, ek point ke baad , #TeraJaaduNaChalega smiley37

I wish they didn't butcher him the way they did , there are so many great possibilities of sub-plots with the main and side characters that the makers simply choose to ignore !

Also apparently this ML-FL-PL endless triangle with all 3 even staying in the same house works? How man how? Set formula in year 2024, take that for progress smiley36

Ab I am slowly reaching to my moment of Zen, jaha hath mein pop corn leke I will watch and say "Wah, sab badiya hai, badiya chal raha hai" smiley32[slow claps]

Originally posted by: PPak


More than the show I am currently enjoying the forum. Its lovely to get diff perspectives. I used to enjoy guessing what would happen next until sense went out of the window.


I know its itv. Same stry cant they tell with a bit more attention to characterization. IS it really so hard? Sigh

Ani should have come home told everyone what happeed, see ifthe marriage was legal and applied for a divorce. He married her by force or not. How can he just walk away.

#3 100% - these guys are still not truly in love. They have bonded emotionally because of their circumstances

The makers are pretty sharp. I don't think it is sloppy writing. They are intentionally having Ani flip flop with a weak commitment to keep the viewers in a state of agitation so we will come back and show can go on indefinitely. I would rather Ani be grey and be the one who informed the pandit to cancel his wedding than be a wimp who roars and then squeaks.

I wrote so much in response to you in one stretch and did not even want to go back and read what I wrote. it just all came pouring out...the real frustration...oh my! smiley1

Edited by rysohini - 4 months ago
asmitamohanty thumbnail
Most Posts (June 2024) 1 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 4 months ago
#47

Ohh how did I miss this!!!

Amazing amazingly written.

As you said...he is struck..

As much as I understood Arshi is a girl who ticked his every box when he was younger..he went into a relationship with her & I believe loved her according whatever his definition of love was then...

& Is trying to talk himself into being in love with her.. because it is what his family wants & he didn't know he had another choice..& now he doesn't even have his illusions to protect him,he somewhere knows what real love, romance and excitement feels like, & it is not Arshi..But he still doesn't seem to have any choice.She just told him as clearly as she could , " I am not an option for you"..so what's left? Spend his life running after a love that he thinks is a mirage or go home & accept the suffocating life where he will atleast be around his family?

It is not easy to make a decision like that , especially when the choice is presented with no promise... specially for someone like Ani who is conditioned in a certain way from his childhood....

Jhanak should be the one to help him untangle this mess..

As you said.. that's how love is...

Once again amazing write up... beautiful..smiley27

rysohini thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 4 months ago
#48

Thank you dear, their love will find a way smiley27 Ha tab tak hume budapa aa jayega aur hum pure paagal ho chuke honge smiley36


Padhai jab kar hi rahe ho, lage haath time mile toh yeh annoyingly long post ko bhi pad lena-

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/165422168

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

Ohh how did I miss this!!!

Amazing amazingly written.

As you said...he is struck..

As much as I understood Arshi is a girl who ticked his every box when he was younger..he went into a relationship with her & I believe loved her according whatever his definition of love was then...

& Is trying to talk himself into being in love with her.. because it is what his family wants & he didn't know he had another choice..& now he doesn't even have his illusions to protect him,he somewhere knows what real love, romance and excitement feels like, & it is not Arshi..But he still doesn't seem to have any choice.She just told him as clearly as she could , " I am not an option for you"..so what's left? Spend his life running after a love that he thinks is a mirage or go home & accept the suffocating life where he will atleast be around his family?

It is not easy to make a decision like that , especially when the choice is presented with no promise... specially for someone like Ani who is conditioned in a certain way from his childhood....

Jhanak should be the one to help him untangle this mess..

As you said.. that's how love is...

Once again amazing write up... beautiful..smiley27

asmitamohanty thumbnail
Most Posts (June 2024) 1 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 4 months ago
#49

Originally posted by: rysohini

Thank you dear, their love will find a way smiley27 Ha tab tak hume budapa aa jayega aur hum pure paagal ho chuke honge smiley36


Padhai jab kar hi rahe ho, lage haath time mile toh yeh annoyingly long post ko bhi pad lena-

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/165422168

Uff....oh my God....

How beautiful it is....

I could see the entire thing again in front of my eyes through your words..

The garland part gave me goosebumps...

" Sapno ka jaha hai Banjara hua..."

You write beautifully...

I felt as if Ani is caressing my ear and telling about his fears and insecurities to me....

Amazingsmiley27

Edited by asmitamohanty - 4 months ago
rysohini thumbnail
Anniversary 11 Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 0 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 4 months ago
#50

Thank you dear, glad that it resonated with yousmiley27

Originally posted by: asmitamohanty

Uff....oh my God....

How beautiful it is....

I could see the entire thing again in front of my eyes through your words..

The garland part gave me goosebumps...

" Sapno ka jaha hai Banjara hua..."

You write beautifully...

I felt as if Ani is caressing my ear and telling about his fears and insecurities to me....

Amazingsmiley27

Top