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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy



That's a very convenient way of looking at it. Are you trying to say DD has always been over scored?

% wise yes, she and the kids


That sounds a completely prejudiced statement to me.

Facts are never prejudiced..can't be..thats an oxymoron

What u r stating as a FACT is actually a POINT OF VIEW. In your opinion she might ve over scored, in other people's opinion she didnt. So how is it a fact?? To each his own right? You feel she over scored ALL her acts (% wise n all that) but so many others thought she didnt. So, its a point of view, not the TRUTH.

Honestly, drashti s journey reminds me of Mona Singh in the first season. There's no doubt that she has shown tremendous growth. Mona was also extremely popular and that time ppl were saying shveta is more deserving coz she was a better dancer, which was true. But Mona won coz she was totally non trained dancer, who started from scratch, learned new forma in days, worked really hard, showed awesome growth and won the hearts of people!

I hope you also recall how much variety Mona showed compared to the contestant you are focussing on ( you chose to limit your views to one hence I am forced to argue with that as baseline)

And i hope you recall the format in the first season? The channel / PH used to assign 2 dance forms per week and the contestants had to chose one of them and perform. Hence the more number of dance forms seen. after that year, if i recall, that system was eliminated and contestants had the liberty to chose any dance form, even repeat them, and hence the comfort zone factor.
And given the format, DD has shown a lot of variety. As many 15 in a total of 19 performances over 15 weeks (want me to list it down for you?)

There's a reason why audience is allowed to vote in such formats right?

Yes, because they bring in money...majority is not always right specially if it is driven by emotions and not what is right or logice or pragmatism..


If this were a show for just technically correct dancers then they would'nt have a say at all. So the performances need to impress and connect with the 'Aam Junta' as well!

lol..if its a dance show, its a dance show..

here's a thing, if you want to make it abt popularity fine, then account for it by her votes..let's assume she is getting mazimum votes..so that takes care of your point..that she connected with junta and junta is voting for her..now come to my logic..this show is also about dance..

however, in spite of technical flaws..the dances are mostly overscored...and its not that she is overscored..but others are underscored conscientiously to ensure she is on the top of the score table..cause only then they can ensure she never comes in the face off...

Again a pure POV. Dont agree 😊 Plus she s rarely been on the TOP of the table 😕 Lauren has been on the top most of the times.

So, now tell me why is it right and justified that her dances be scored and be given extra benefit over others..

On your trained vs untrained..by that logic..Sid shud have been getting 30 and deserves to win this title...the man had severe constraints and he worked really hard to overcome those..and he is the ONLY ONE who is truly untrained in all respects...

You clearly missed the point buddy. I said, being an untrained dancer, she has shown tremendous growth and tremendous variety. Lets be honest, Sid was BAD.
DD has given some memorable performances and shes reallly good, if not the best (This is my opinion)


Also I will tell u something.. When u see a performance live - the impact is far more than what you see on tv. This is probably the reason why this pirate act got the 30! Maybe on tv we didn't find it that impact ful but I can imagine how awesome this would ve looked live - hence the 30 maybe.


I am not and haven't commented on the pirate dance and will not. I didn't watch it. To your point here, its valid and for audience there i can totally buy this argument..but judges are judges for a reason..they are not mere audience...so all through this series..their behavior and judgement and motivation is totally questionable

As for GC - I really don't know what u meant but he also won last season coz of his popularity and his growth as a dancer on the show.

a) He was not as good as others and initial weeks i agree...he tried and he got good marks..theory of relativity..but later on he started faltering big time..

However, I will credit him for one thing compared to DD...shampa atleast tried some new stuff with him..DD zilch growth..zero.. You gotta be kidding me. I guess the judges and all of us are really blind then 😲
And talk about new stuff? That woman has tried almost everything, be it aerial, acrobatics, latin american forms, hip hop etc. Salman has taken so many risks with her especially when she wasnt trained in ANY form. Compare that to Lauren whos a trained contemporary dancer and has shown us the same form so many times. Why didnt she try aerial or acrobatics or salsa or jive or rumba and so on? I'm not belittling lauren but just trying to make a point.

However, as a dancer he was bad compared to others..

b) Go back to your trained Vs untrained dancer logic- he repeated martial arts based dances multiple times..a trianed martial arts man repeating what he knows..how is it justified that a trained dancer won?

c) Towards the end, the quality of dance didn't improve ( except for the zero gravity dance..that as a concept was good so inspite of flaws i think that act getting high marks was fine)..but other acts did not deserve such high marks...however, with GC i completely agree with you that voting and fans are a big reason and the fact that the season had the worst contestants ever...colors did not have much role there...he got 18 too once..which DD wud never get no matter how bad she performs...with him the question is more on fans...

if celebrity love outweighs standing for what is right..

He was the face of a rival channel that time and competing with the face of colors (rashmi) still he won! Coz he had an amazing fan base! And he improved tremendously!

Get the facts rt...rashmi was no more face of colors..she wasn't... pratyusha was..who quit so colors was helpless..and neither was rashmi in pipeline to make the comeback around that time..

anyhow my opinion colors didn't interefere much last yr once pratyusha was out...people were getting 18 etc etc..their only and biggest role was supporting remo in promoting his candidates and ofcourse the deal with Isha..how she will make her exit..

Nevertheless...just for Isha...that season has had some of the best performances ever..and it wasn't all salman..although not taking away from his efforts either..but it was just not 100% salman..she said that many a times abt her creative inputs

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Posted: 12 years ago
@anoda - Well said 👏 The post is abt Drashti getting undeserving marks n not abt how good or bad she is. And yes its not just her but the kids too who r overrated. Sure they r a bundle of talent but other than throwing Shonali in the air n making her do somersaults there has barely been much in the act. Being kids they can never incorporate the grace that adults have in their dance n fair enough. But shd they be given high scores just coz they r kids as bonus? The kids cant be graceful like the rest of them n the rest of them cant be energetic like the kids. Its unfair to both the competition n the kids for them to be in the competition.
Likewise DD too is overrated just coz she is the lead of a popular show on Colors. To be honest she is a good dancer n I wont deny it. But did some of her acts really deserve 30? Its definitely tiring to shoot the whole day n then come n practice for dancing in the night. But this was her own call to do it n she isn doing this for charity. Along with her competitors on the show she got a nice paycheck to compensate for that. So y constantly crib tat her body is giving up? Isn this a sympathy gaining factor? Audiences will think she is entertaining them on a daily soap n also slogging off to entertain them with her dance. I didn find any of her acts bad but a tad bit overrated. They were good n she has done a good job but did they deserve 30? Her aerial act n her group acts were good n they did deserve 30. Her dance on Halkat Jawani n Humko Aaj Kal were good even n Uska Hi Bana. But even an ordinary audience can point out flaws in her jive act or the bird act or the most recent one which was messy even - the pirate act. U cant do anything abt audience votes as ultimately they will vote for their fav contestant. I guess thats fair enough as for them all that matters is that their fav win whether they r deserving or not. But wat abt judges? Forget Karan Johar. For him X factor is all tat matters. But wat abt Remo who is an ace choreographer? Or Madhuri Dixit? Who is the most renowned dancer in the country? Can they honestly feel her acts were perfect enough to get a perfect 10 when an inexperienced audience can spot the flaws? And please dont give that live act crap coz unlike us they have the expertise to spot flaws even in a live performance n tats the reason they r on the hot seat n instead of doing justice to that they r playing along with the channel. Y is it that her friends or co-actors come to promote her n not just once or twice? I am sure the other celebrities too have friends who can support them n take sometime out for them. How come they r not called frequently unlike DD's friends? When another celebrity comes to promote one in a reality show, even their fans end up voting for them just coz their fav celeb vouched for them. For example - SI, VD and now KSG fans will also vote for DD. Is this fair competition? Defo not everything is fair in reality shows, atleast dont make things so obvious either!
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Posted: 12 years ago
Finally reading some good back and forth, awesome POVs peeps, please continue 👍🏼

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@Hashi: Your thread is rocking indeed as always and why won't they, you always talk logical 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sheeba_hasan


You gotta be kidding me. I guess the judges and all of us are really blind then 😲
And talk about new stuff? That woman has tried almost everything, be it aerial, acrobatics, latin american forms, hip hop etc. Salman has taken so many risks with her especially when she wasnt trained in ANY form. Compare that to Lauren whos a trained contemporary dancer and has shown us the same form so many times. Why didnt she try aerial or acrobatics or salsa or jive or rumba and so on? I'm not belittling lauren but just trying to make a point.




This point of yours very lop sided. If Lauren hasn't done Salsa or Rumba, dance forms DD have attempted, in similar fashion, DD hasn't performed the dance forms Lauren has attempted. Why hasn't DD done Indian classical or Broadway Jazz or Tango or Robotics or Hip Hop ? If Lauren has done many contemporary, DD has done even more contemporary acts than her (check wiki link for acts) and on top of that 3 aerial acts. So in that regards, DD is more repetitive than rest of the contestants
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhalak_Dikhhla_Jaa_%28season_6%29)

[Actually screw the wiki link since it isn't always accurate, the way one of the Lauren fans compiled the below list, you can compile DD's acts as well and you will see the point]

As for the rest, continue with Zephy. I just wanted to point out the obvious bias in the above statement.


List of Lauren's act (Thanks Palki)
1)Hip Hop
2)Robotics
3)Semi-Classical & Paso Doble
4)Contorted Contemporary
5)Bollywood/Broadway
6)Bollywood
7)Broadway Jazz
8)Jive
9)Lyrical Hip Hop
10)Robotic Garba
11) Tango
12)Freestyle
13)Bharatnatyam
14)Bollywood
15)Street Jazz

Edited by CestMoi - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Honestly, I can refute many points you ve said here.. But neither do i have the time, nor the energy. You have your point of view, i have mine, its not gonna change so lets leave it at that shall we?
Just to let u know.. Im not a DD fanatic, yes i enjoy her performances but i dont vote for her or anyone else. From your posts, you seem to be a dancer (since u talk about technicalities). So am I. But unlike you, I dont watch a reality show like JDJ to sit n judge who did perfect spotting and whose knees were bent. Id rather watch SYTYCD for that. JDJ is a dance show but meant for an INDIAN audience and they want entertainment. So i dont expect someone like drashti to learn spotting in 2 days and come up with a technically flawless performance. I expect her to entertain me and that she does my friend

Your POV is absolutely respected buddy. Was fun talkin to you but now Im outta here

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Posted: 12 years ago
Honestly, I can refute many points you ve said here.. But neither do i have the time, nor the energy. You have your point of view, i have mine, its not gonna change so lets leave it at that shall we?
I have already pointed out in my previous replies, everyone is entitled to their opinion..so if you like someone ofcourse its your choice..full respect to that..

The bone of contention is...dance and judging..

Just to let u know.. Im not a DD fanatic, yes i enjoy her performances but i dont vote for her or anyone else.

Did I say that..I didn't..

From your posts, you seem to be a dancer (since u talk about technicalities). So am I. But unlike you, I dont watch a reality show like JDJ to sit n judge who did perfect spotting and whose knees were bent.

So now you are demeaning JDJ...?

Again, you are making assumptions..why do you think someone watches something only to point out mistakes..highly biased statement actually..

And dance is dance..why would someone not point out an obvious double standard on behalf odf the channel..?

Id rather watch SYTYCD for that.

As far as I am concerend, doesn't come on any of my channels...so well..

unless you are in mood to disrespect Indians for that , that they can't , couldn't or don't watch SYTYCD..I don't see the point of this statement..

JDJ is a dance show but meant for an INDIAN audience and they want entertainment. So i dont expect someone like drashti to learn spotting in 2 days and come up with a technically flawless performance. I expect her to entertain me and that she does my friend

Whatever you say ... the only thing is the yardstick should be same for all contestants..if that's for DD..then it should be the same from other too..Y subject others to different yardsticks..

Your POV is absolutely respected buddy. Was fun talkin to you but now Im outta here

Same here..was a pleasure talking to you...
BTW, since you mentioned you are a dancer and I am assuming you watch quite a few dance shows...suggest a few good ones na..

and also if you know about where I can watch them..😉.. thnks a ton in advance..

Cheers..

Cheeers


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: CestMoi

Finally reading some good back and forth, awesome POVs peeps, please continue 👍🏼

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@Hashi: Your thread is rocking indeed as always and why won't they, you always talk logical 😉


Aww.. ☺️ ..But I am so happy as this has turned out to be an interesting thread rather bashing each other ..And its becoming more interesting .. Guys Loved you all replies .. such an interesting discussion..I emphasize that ..as we hardly see ppl discuss anything here
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Posted: 12 years ago
Lol..
my name is chitvan...
Not anoda...
just saying.. :D
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: HashiBoo


Aww.. ☺️ ..But I am so happy as this has turned out to be an interesting thread rather bashing each other ..And its becoming more interesting .. Guys Loved you all replies .. such an interesting  discussion..I emphasize that ..as we hardly see ppl discuss anything here  

haha...dere u said it..
SATYA VACHAN!!

lets discuss and not fight..
said noone ever on IF..lol
Edited by anodaksgfan - 12 years ago

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