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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate


PS : JDJ and its format of sugegsting props and themes are not helping at all. if they are following DWTS to the T, then they need to specify dance styles to be showcased in the episode, judge the dance forms based on the minimum number of footworks that certifies the dance form as the qualified form. If its trying to be unique and Indian, then by all means do it. Include Indian dance forms a lot, India based concepts like mythology. At present its neither here nor there.
I wish atleast professional dancers differentiate on public platforms bollywood is not Indian dance. Its like saying what people do is discos == ballet.


I don't remember exactly ..in season 4 did they specify the theme + dance style? I think they did. Colors should do that too. Their themes are slightly weird. So far they are okay..but going off of the weird rounds they had last year, I'm not expecting this season to be much better. Household prop is somewhat more of a choreographic challenge than a challenge for the dancer IMHO.

I feel JDJ was better on Sony..Colors plays too much politics...and that is why it will never be taken seriously. On paper, they have such good contestants this season. But somewhere that magic, charm is still missing.

As for Salman...well..I agree. More than Indian (I don't think Salman has any background with Indian whatsoever and I certainly don't see him taking that risk and trying it)...I'm more surprised why he has hardly ever attempted a HIP-HOP routine even? He's been with Remo since DID1 which was I don't even know how many years ago at this point so clearly he knows hip-hop...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chocolover89



As for Salman...well..I agree. More than Indian (I don't think Salman has any background with Indian whatsoever and I certainly don't see him taking that risk and trying it)...I'm more surprised why he has hardly ever attempted a HIP-HOP routine even? He's been with Remo since DID1 which was I don't even know how many years ago at this point so clearly he knows hip-hop...



I think he did only one Hip hop routine in all of DID1 and that was towards the end of that season...he didn't get very great comments for it...he was always appreciated more for his contemporary and ballroom dance routines cuz his body language is graceful. As for Indian dance forms...Remo made him do a Chhau performance in that season too if I recall correctly...so it's not like he hasn't been exposed to some variety under Remo.

But being a dancer is different from being a choreographer as we've discussed before...creatively he cannot think beyond his standard 2-3 concepts that he's now repeating in a third straight season...first two times he got flexible, athletic girls well versed in acrobatia so he literally only relied on contemporary/aeriel/acrobatic routines with both girls...Chalo even if concept is lacking, if he makes up for that with hard core DANCING in any act, it would be fine...but instead he chooses wohi same type of concepts, does the same kind of steps and finished.

With Drashti this season, he has scope to do bollywood and hip-hop, both...I've seen her dance on awards shows...surely she's capable of more than the same style he's making her do over and over again...

I also have to say...Remo's insistence on getting his proteges on board is more emotional bias than logical reasoning...this year he brought that Sushant on board...last year it was Sanam...these ppl can't choreograph to save their lives...then why are they forced into the show? Just cuz Remo wants his "Happy Family" reunion on this show? Samaaj seva chal rahi hai? It really lowers the standard of the show.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



I think he did only one Hip hop routine in all of DID1 and that was towards the end of that season...he didn't get very great comments for it...he was always appreciated more for his contemporary and ballroom dance routines cuz his body language is graceful. As for Indian dance forms...Remo made him do a Chhau performance in that season too if I recall correctly...so it's not like he hasn't been exposed to some variety under Remo.

But being a dancer is different from being a choreographer as we've discussed before...creatively he cannot think beyond his standard 2-3 concepts that he's now repeating in a third straight season...first two times he got flexible, athletic girls well versed in acrobatia so he literally only relied on contemporary/aeriel/acrobatic routines with both girls...Chalo even if concept is lacking, if he makes up for that with hard core DANCING in any act, it would be fine...but instead he chooses wohi same type of concepts, does the same kind of steps and finished.

With Drashti this season, he has scope to do bollywood and hip-hop, both...I've seen her dance on awards shows...surely she's capable of more than the same style he's making her do over and over again...

I also have to say...Remo's insistence on getting his proteges on board is more emotional bias than logical reasoning...this year he brought that Sushant on board...last year it was Sanam...these ppl can't choreograph to save their lives...then why are they forced into the show? Just cuz Remo wants his "Happy Family" reunion on this show? Samaaj seva chal rahi hai? It really lowers the standard of the show.


I meant he hasn't choreographed a hip-hop routine in all these seasons has he? ..Isha certainly never did hip-hop..she would have been found out completely. Don't think Yana did either?

As a dancer, DID1 mein they were all more or less exposed to lots of different dance styles...that was one versatile season for the most part. I know Salman has done contemporary, ballroom, salsa, hip-hop, tap, some dance style that Remo had invented like Biba or something ( near the end of the season), chau, Bollywood..etc. I think he's done jazz too. That chau act mein he got burnt..I remember..Salman toh waise bhi Remo ki jaan tha..Remo tried hardest with Salman...actually taught him. So it's not that he isn't exposed, but he doesn't have that knowledge like he does about contemporary/aerial, salsa even..I have seen him do hip-hop since DID1 I think..in ABCD..and did he not do hip-hop with some of the foreign dancers last season or maybe I am just confused now?

He's been with Remo for 5-6 years now, I'm sure his hip-hop has improved tons since then...and he has learned more about the different styles within hip-hop..and yes Dhrashti is capable of hip-hop, Bollywood..why focus just on aerial/contemporary again and again..

One big problem for Salman though is that he's sheltered. Remo used to jump on Terence and Geeta for criticizing Salman and used to pretty much dismiss their criticisms. ..and even on Jhalak its not like anyone once told Salman to step up...bring variety. How will you improve when no one tells you what your issues are?

About Remo, I agree. I admire him for giving so many opportunities to his team, but thoda h has to more careful about who gets a chance. Sanam is not even a proper dancer toh choreography ki toh baat hi chodo.. Mohena is nothing great either..and Sushant..bhai he had the strongest female dancer of the show and he brought her down completely..heck who would have thought, but Prince, his least versatile student, is actually a decent choreographer. ..sure he has a lot still to learn, but he isn't hopeless.
Edited by chocolover89 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate

PS : JDJ and its format of sugegsting props and themes are not helping at all. if they are following DWTS to the T, then they need to specify dance styles to be showcased in the episode, judge the dance forms based on the minimum number of footworks that certifies the dance form as the qualified form. If its trying to be unique and Indian, then by all means do it. Include Indian dance forms a lot, India based concepts like mythology. At present its neither here nor there.
I wish atleast professional dancers differentiate on public platforms bollywood is not Indian dance. Its like saying what people do is discos == ballet.



Agree with you everything you mentioned, especially above part. I don't understand the purpose behind these themes. Mostly they encourage the choreographers to use more props or showcase emotional acts, which takes away the actual dancing.
Like you said the makers need to specify dance styles for an episode. Not necessarily Western, but Indian forms like Kathak, Bharatnatyam, Manipuri, Rajasthani folk etc
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Posted: 12 years ago
#35
Salman doesn't need to put in the same effort he used to before.. He's got biased remo and madwhobala promoters madhuri & karan who will give DD top marks.. No matter how mediocre or flawed his concepts & choreography is!
Edited by sonia1230 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#36
I do agree with some points of urs chandra
That last yr he used the ring and this yr the ring was repetition

I like to see him doing hip hop, kathak piece etc than sticking to contemporary etc he normally does!

I am wanting the old salman back with the new concepts he didnt do before

I am bored with repetition now!


I want him coming out of his comfort zone and take risks!
Tushar was awesome this yr!

Domestic violence contemporary and the ring(whatever u call that dance form) bores me these days

I liked him doing paso doble last yr!
I want to see indian dance form from him

Quite a good post chandra!

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Posted: 12 years ago
#37
Salman is a good dancer but not a good choreographer.
I just wish Remo takes off his "bias"glasses and starts judging Salman coz he is doing nothing to get a full 30 score.
But then am thinking, its his celeb dancer too. Now the celeb he is with this season, cant dance. So bechara ab kya karega...usko lift kar kar ke points le raha hain.
And for some reason, the judges are in awe when someone does a few lifts, stunts and an aerial act😕
I am not saying lifts, stunts are not good...but if thats the only thing that a performance has, then that is not dancing and this is supposed to be a dance show.
And also, I would like to see Salman come up with a different dance form than the usual ones he always does🥱

Edited by T1ddlyW1nks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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first of all dance form and steps are not being produced in poultry fram. Every choreographer will be felt repetitive if he does multiple seasons. Same goes with Savio, Shampa, Marishaa and everybody else. but we dont even talk about them, because we dont feel to discuss about other. Tushar is not looking repetitive because he has done only 3-4 performances, it will be shame for him if he repets in just 3-4 weeks, Salman is looking repetitive because he had done atleast 30-40 performances in 3 seasons. I dont have problem with being repetitive as far as he is teaching his dancer, helping her improving, getting good praise and marks from judges... Salman or any other choreographer is there to teach the steps to celeb dancers(that steps may be repetitive for choreographer but not for celebs).
But anyway different people have different perception. Yeh, Salman is not an expert in Indian dance, he is not trained in Indian dances, how can he teach the dance form which he cannot do himself. He is teaching what he has masters.. Saying Isha was good dancer, and credit went to Salman because of Isha is wrong... I think she tried one Indian dance and she failed. She failed because Salman is not expert in Indian dance and Isha could not excel without Salman's teaching. Give the credit where it is due... Salman leaves his impression in every performance whether he excels or fails. Credit as well as blame, both should go to Salman and his teaching.
Edited by HakkaBakka - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: AreYaar


With Drashti this season, he has scope to do bollywood and hip-hop, both...I've seen her dance on awards shows...surely she's capable of more than the same style he's making her do over and over again...

What are you talking about over and over again???? Do you think her all 3-4 dances were same styles, may be we are watching some different show... She may not have excelled in all performances but saying over and over again is simply rubbish.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-



Good to see you back in action as well 🤗
Today I got some time, so it was about time, I take out my "bhadaas" of this season.

I agree about Salman. It's about time he brings in some creativity and tries his hands at Indian classical/folk dances. It simply sucks to see him keep plunging in the western dance forms especially when it seems like I have seen it all last season. He needs to re evaluate his techniques and vision or he will keep boring me to the core.

You are real Salman fan, that is why you are looking at Salman only... I look at celeb dancers too, if he/she can adapt to different forms of dance although that is choreographed by Salman on Isha last year. I am seeing improvement in DD, so credit goes to good teacher as well as samajhdaar student. It is better Remo, Terrence etc became judge instead of still being teacher, otherwise their repetitive dance form might have been exposed too. Everything in this world has its limitation.

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