Why Indian dancing shows gave up on Indian dancing forms?!!

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: angeala95
I just feel its much more difficult to learn an indian dance form in a matter of few days!!
Everytime i have seen anyone attempting an indian dance i have seen judges go like that we will give u marks for trying to attempt this!! Ur mudras were nt perfect and what nt! And then contestants dnt get good marks so it acts as a deterant for them to even try it again!!

Agreed, this may be one thing but majority of these choreographers are not technically competent to teach classical styles since they themselves are not trained in these styles. Also knowledge of one style may not necessarily extend to another. Its mostly the knowlege and risk tolerance of the people who are pitching to decision makers and the interest of decision makers for these shows The format has to be rethought, trained dancers have to be encouraged , is the audience willing to accept?

People watch the same dance choreographed by say Birju maharaj performed by madhuri and say wow, do they know that he has probably 100 students around world who could perform the same items with more grace and elan true to the form but who knows them ? If all the great gurus or their star disciples are not roped in the quality will always be an issue. If someone is willing to learn and the format allows some prior training, it could be added but the trainer had to know what the student can excel in the limited time they have to include it.

In any case what goes for classical in tv shows is also so below average its fine if they don't attempt it.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I feel atleast the show is back to the original DWS format, ballroom dancing

for past 3 season, in the name of themes and gimmicks, all we saw were bw, mishmashs peddled as contemporary and contestants sticking to comfort zones in general.

As the show format is based on ballroom there is no harm to use the pure ballroom dance forms, like they were done in season1. Atleast that would be better than the thumka, jhumka and theme overdose of past 3 seasons.

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On topic, I think such shows are based on what the audience want , reflected by TRPs, and voting

the song selections are so weird for Indian classical dance forms, sometimes I cringe and wish they were not showing indian dances at all

even then Indian dances, those attempting Indian dance forms, classicals or otherwise really don't get vote.

So the answer lies right in front of your eyes.

Audience gets what they demand.

Edited by LeadNitrate - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Nxt_rockstar

That I agree! it's tendency here in India!
I haven't seen DWTS! But does JDJ follow it completely? just curious!

it is supposed to!

but i don't think in DWTS,the judges are worshiped,allowed to be bias,and there is unnecessary dramas🥱

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: kalin56
Regular dwts watcher first time JDJ , very true that appreciation of classical and folk in reality shows is like asking the channels to go bankrupt. There are so many beautiful festivals happening in India that showcase these styles if they truly want to conceptualiuze a dance based show but Bollywood and now the channels have never supported it. It would actually make a huge difference for them since those artists are actually strugglers, sometimes may be regionally b popular but the large channels don't touch it at all. In talent based shows too it is occasionally seen but they rarely will win so people keep doing fusion and leaning more and more western.
BTW dwts looks for tecniqual elements in established ballroom styles and JDJ is just entertainment factor and fusion from what I am seeing.

I agree to an extent!
A classically trained dancer in talent hunt competition won't win as they are seen as non versatile. I have never seen DWTS. Going through the comments, I have got to know that it's specifically about ballroom dancing. If JDJ is adapting the format, I want proper judgement then.

And about my point about Indian dancing forms, I guess It's not JDJ where we are supposed to see them at least. format doesn't say so I guess!

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Cutiepie Rani
Same question I've had for years. I even brought this topic up last season.

Everyone has become so invested in western dance forms that Indian has been lost. :(

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I feel the same for Indian dancing styles.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: angeala95
I just feel its much more difficult to learn an indian dance form in a matter of few days!!
Everytime i have seen anyone attempting an indian dance i have seen judges go like that we will give u marks for trying to attempt this!! Ur mudras were nt perfect and what nt! And then contestants dnt get good marks so it acts as a deterant for them to even try it again!!

That I agree. It takes year to master Indian classical forms but that applies on western forms too. We don't know much about western styles so it's hard to point out flaws as audience and judges are simply failure here in JDJ.

Rigidity is so there when it comes to anything ethnic in India so yeah! Choreographers do hesitate in trying some forms specially those which are connected with something holy. I see it as valid reason here.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: akankshaArsha
i agree...india is so rich in culture nd the indian styles are so beautiful...
bt ye modernisation ka keeda sb ke sir chad gaya hai...
indian ke nam they do smthing nt watchable

Yup! Whatever Indian they do, it's just not enough and importantly pure. They mix it with western, use BW numbers, raunchy expressions, in short, murder of art.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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then you should watch tamil dance reality shows, they only take few western dance style, rest of the rounds will be focus on indian dance styles, like old movies classic dance style, folk etc.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: kalin56

Agreed, this may be one thing but majority of these choreographers are not technically competent to teach classical styles since they themselves are not trained in these styles. Also knowledge of one style may not necessarily extend to another. Its mostly the knowlege and risk tolerance of the people who are pitching to decision makers and the interest of decision makers for these shows The format has to be rethought, trained dancers have to be encouraged , is the audience willing to accept?
People watch the same dance choreographed by say Birju maharaj performed by madhuri and say wow, do they know that he has probably 100 students around world who could perform the same items with more grace and elan true to the form but who knows them ? If all the great gurus or their star disciples are not roped in the quality will always be an issue. If someone is willing to learn and the format allows some prior training, it could be added but the trainer had to know what the student can excel in the limited time they have to include it.

In any case what goes for classical in tv shows is also so below average its fine if they don't attempt it.

Very well said!

I do agree on bit that Indian forms need to done with proper care and detailing. Only trained teachers can teach that. And that is something downright risky for channels to try. But It would be worth watching a show where trained dancers come and showcase Indian dance forms. With the given set of choreographers, quality will suffer.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate
I feel atleast the show is back to the original DWS format, ballroom dancing
for past 3 season, in the name of themes and gimmicks, all we saw were bw, mishmashs peddled as contemporary and contestants sticking to comfort zones in general.

As the show format is based on ballroom there is no harm to use the pure ballroom dance forms, like they were done in season1. Atleast that would be better than the thumka, jhumka and theme overdose of past 3 seasons.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On topic, I think such shows are based on what the audience want , reflected by TRPs, and voting

I
the song selections are so weird for Indian classical dance forms, sometimes I cringe and wish they were not showing indian dances at all

even then Indian dances, those attempting Indian dance forms, classicals or otherwise really don't get vote.

So the answer lies right in front of your eyes.

Audience gets what they demand.

I am totally ignorant about DWTS format, If JDJ is following it or not, I guess people who have watched both can tell. 😳

But JDJ must have adapted according to demography. There's no harm in following the authentic format but little bit promotion of Indian forms won't do harm. Of course keeping it aligned with format of show.

I know!!

It's even more sad to see Indian forms badly choreographed on some stupid songs.

Talking about taste of audiences, They have grown this fond over western dance forms. Credits to Indian dance shows for presenting them. All I wanna say is Indian dances haven't given a fair chance yet. IMO!

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