Give Isha Salman a break

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Posted: 12 years ago
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The whole forum is flooded with same repetitive and to an extend negative posts about Isha and Salman. So I am simply putting my thoughts across and what I think of Isha and Salman's performances.

For today's performance Isha was bang on cuz flexibility is her biggest strength and that's what she has showcased today. And some of the stuff she had done were applaud worthy especially that wave thing she did damn, not everyone has the capacity to do it. So for me her performance was excellent. While on the other hand, it seems the same flexibility is her biggest weakness cuz people have started to pay attention only to that and ignore the rest, that is the way I see it. And if she is using her flexibility in her dance forms, what is wrong with that, isn't the biggest job for any choreographer to hide their contestant's weak points. I have seen Shampa do that with GC to hide his stiffness, Savio done the same with Bharti by giving her simple steps, while Mohena using Karan's macho quality to overshadow his clumsiness. And since it is a competition and every week they have to perform their best, there is nothing wrong using contestant's plus points. And So I do not mind Salman using Isha's flexibility for the betterment for their performance. And if judges are happy, then I don't see any reason why they should stop doing it. If judges weren't uncomfortable with Isha's performance, then it seems they are going on the right path. As an audience I would definitely love to see her perform on classical or even hip hop. But I don't understand the fixation of people in using the lack of such dance forms as an argument. That is not done with me.

For me she has brought to the stage many different forms, and how I see them might be completely different than you. So what if some of her steps look same to you, but they might not to others. May be that is her style of dancing. And I have enjoyed most of her performances, but if someone only wants to see the flexibility and ignore the rest, then that's your prerogative. She had also done Bollywood in her 2nd episode and scored perfect score, while the second attempt didn't do so well. But then again all I see on the forum is that she is bad at Bollywood, well then so are the others. I don't remember anyone doing a good job at Bollywood (may be Rithvik ??), and I only judge the contestants in JDJ, I don't go around and compare them to some other dancers from completely different dance stage because that isn't fair according to me. Every dance show has a different caliber. And I appreciate someone not liking the performance for specific given reasons, but there are those on the forum who simply read a post and go around copy and paste without including any thoughts of their own. For me such posts are null and void and simply ridiculous. Not saying you aren't allowed to do it, simply that it doesn't work for me.

Other issue people have is with her expressions. I had no complains with her expressions for the beginning 7 or 8 performances, but then her expressions did take a tumble. For her butterfly act and yesterday's act, her expressions seemed forced and not natural. May be she isn't good at expressing and could be the reason for her not so successful stunt at Bollywood. So, not everyone is going to be good at every aspect of dance. GC and Wahi are very good with their expressions but not so good with their dance. While Rashmi is good at expression and dancing, but I am sure she must be lacking elsewhere for judges to not give her perfect scores every time. So the point it, give it a rest, no one is going to be perfect. Isha has worked for the judges till now whether we agree or not. Who knows next week she might not work with judges or the audience. Till then, I shall enjoy whatever she brings to the stage.

Edit: Another issue is their comfort zone, well if someone is going to excel at something and judges are happy with it, why would they go and do something different when not required. After their failed attempt at Bollywood/hip hop, may be they thought of playing it safe, after all it is a competition. And it's not like they have a huge fan following who can save them if their act fails miserably. So that could be a reason why Salman choreographs such that Isha's best come out. I don't see anything wrong with it. And I also don't agree that all they do is stretch. Even their Tango had the basic Tango steps, along with their usual difficult lifts and twist, and it worked for the judges, so again no complain.

Also I have seen people asking her to join the circus or calling her rubber tyre or elastic band, that is definitely the weakest argument ever. If you have issues with her, then go ahead and criticize openly without putting her down or getting personal. I find it quite offensive to insult someone's talent for your mere satisfaction. And when that happens, for me such shallow comments overshadow any thoughts that the member is bringing onto the table. And it applies to all of us.

P.S: Anyways, there are some member's posts which aren't worth my attention !!! Just because you dislike someone, you come here and write one liners just to show the hate or frustration because your own favorite didn't get the so called 30. And it's fine by me, but please back off my post cuz I clearly am looking for some thoughtful discussion and not spam.


P.S.S: Do not mock someone's language, which I have seen happening, if you wanna put your points across, do it without going to that level of discrimination, not everyone will be a pro at English language. And I have only used other contestants in my discussion as examples. So don't start pouncing on me.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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If only my "like" button worked! But I completely agree with the TM! SO many posts about Isha doing the same thing over and over again. I don't get it. She has done so many dance forms! Now if you think all those dance forms are all similar, then it is your problem. She has been versatile!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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only Isha and Salman must win
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Chandramukhi, I really like your post and I enjoy the way you interact with people. Wether they agree with you or not the few times I have seen you interact with people it is with respect. So thank you.

If you don't mind I am copy pasting my views from Bazinga's thread. I hope you are okay with it.

It is scary to post any thing on this forum but I am hoping I can have a respectful discourse with few of you guys, wether we agree or not.


Today Isha was in her zone. She did what she does best. They had to use their bhramastra and that they absolutely did. There really is no one equal to Isha at the present on JDJ when it come to the form she excels in which is I am thinking western dance with an acrobatic twist. Her postures were perfect. She had wonderful control over her body. Sometimes I feel Salman has learnt so much from her rather than the other way around. LOL! But guess what, as a viewer it did nothing for me. And I feel so sad. This is what I was always worried about Isha. From the first episode they have been showing what they do best but with different props.


Every dance of theirs when I look back, I feel I have seen the same moves again and again but on different concepts with different settings and different costumes. Here is where I think Isha-Salman's strategy is faltering. Their progression graph is a plateau for me. There is no upward slope. Not because they can't dance, in fact quite the opposite, they are at their peak and they have nothing else to show except the same thing which now the audience has begun to view it as monotonous. I remember our Indian captain Dhoni's interview during the world cup where he says it is very important that you do not peak early in a competition such as the world cup because then you will reach your saturation point earlier than you would want to and when the time comes you would be scared to experiment with new batting/bowling combination that could very well be your winning combination. I think that is exactly what is happening with Isha and Salman. They didn't experiment much or take risks with various styles, early on in the competition where even if they had made mistakes they had more of a safety net. Right now if they try different styles and they fail their mistakes would be so glaringly obvious at the same time by not doing anything different, their dancing looks very monotonous. A very difficult place to be in.


This is in direct contrast to two other choreographers that I thought would go to the top 3 and that is Punit and Shampa. Their contestants had strengths and weaknesses too, yet they took risks knowing fully well that their contestants can fall flat on their faces. Since Punit has left the competition I will mention Shampa. She knows her contestant's weaknesses, yet she has challenged the guy to try so many different things. They have taken risks and few times those risks didn't pay off too well either. Yet, when I look at their graph I see progression and not a plateau. As a viewer I can remember their dances (the good and the bad) more distinctly than Isha and Salman's because the latters' all the performances blend with each other. The way I remember Isha's dances is by remembering the props she used. That is so sad because she is such a phenomenal dancer in her area of expertise. And just a quick point about all the different styles Isha has tried out. As a choreographer I feel, I have seen Isha/Salman incorporate their strength steps, that is their beautiful lifts and perfect bends, in pretty much every so called style of dance they have tried out. It was in their tango, in their afro and all the other styles. That is one of the biggest reasons that now the viewers feel that they keep doing the same things over and over again.


I don't want to compare Ritvik and Reshmi to Isha. As much as I have thoroughly enjoyed and loved Reshmi's and Ritvik's performances, they have an unfair advantage. Unlike Ritvik and Reshmi, Isha/Salman have had to slog it out for a longer period of time, come up with new concepts for a longer period of time, and hence also run the risk of coming out with repetitive performances just like the other two contestants who have been with Isha from day1.


Isha is fantastic at what she does even though I am no longer wowed by her performances. I would rather see someone take risks and try new things and fail and then get up and try again than someone who almost always stays in their comfort zone. But at the end of the day, I admire her talent and I want her to go all the way to the finale.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: angake

@Chandramukhi, I really like your post and I enjoy the way you interact with people. Wether they agree with you or not the few times I have seen you interact with people it is with respect. So thank you.


If you don't mind I am copy pasting my views from Bazinga's thread. I hope you are okay with it.

It is scary to post any thing on this forum but I am hoping I can have a respectful discourse with few of you guys, wether we agree or not.


Today Isha was in her zone. She did what she does best. They had to use their bhramastra and that they absolutely did. There really is no one equal to Isha at the present on JDJ when it come to the form she excels in which is I am thinking western dance with an acrobatic twist. Her postures were perfect. She had wonderful control over her body. Sometimes I feel Salman has learnt so much from her rather than the other way around. LOL! But guess what, as a viewer it did nothing for me. And I feel so sad. This is what I was always worried about Isha. From the first episode they have been showing what they do best but with different props.


Every dance of theirs when I look back, I feel I have seen the same moves again and again but on different concepts with different settings and different costumes. Here is where I think Isha-Salman's strategy is faltering. Their progression graph is a plateau for me. There is no upward slope. Not because they can't dance, in fact quite the opposite, they are at their peak and they have nothing else to show except the same thing which now the audience has begun to view it as monotonous. I remember our Indian captain Dhoni's interview during the world cup where he says it is very important that you do not peak early in a competition such as the world cup because then you will reach your saturation point earlier than you would want to and when the time comes you would be scared to experiment with new batting/bowling combination that could very well be your winning combination. I think that is exactly what is happening with Isha and Salman. They didn't experiment much or take risks with various styles, early on in the competition where even if they had made mistakes they had more of a safety net. Right now if they try different styles and they fail their mistakes would be so glaringly obvious at the same time by not doing anything different, their dancing looks very monotonous. A very difficult place to be in.


This is in direct contrast to two other choreographers that I thought would go to the top 3 and that is Punit and Shampa. Their contestants had strengths and weaknesses too, yet they took risks knowing fully well that their contestants can fall flat on their faces. Since Punit has left the competition I will mention Shampa. She knows her contestant's weaknesses, yet she has challenged the guy to try so many different things. They have taken risks and few times those risks didn't pay off too well either. Yet, when I look at their graph I see progression and not a plateau. As a viewer I can remember their dances (the good and the bad) more distinctly than Isha and Salman's because the latters' all the performances blend with each other. The way I remember Isha's dances is by remembering the props she used. That is so sad because she is such a phenomenal dancer in her area of expertise. And just a quick point about all the different styles Isha has tried out. As a choreographer I feel, I have seen Isha/Salman incorporate their strength steps, that is their beautiful lifts and perfect bends, in pretty much every so called style of dance they have tried out. It was in their tango, in their afro and all the other styles. That is one of the biggest reasons that now the viewers feel that they keep doing the same things over and over again.


I don't want to compare Ritvik and Reshmi to Isha. As much as I have thoroughly enjoyed and loved Reshmi's and Ritvik's performances, they have an unfair advantage. Unlike Ritvik and Reshmi, Isha/Salman have had to slog it out for a longer period of time, come up with new concepts for a longer period of time, and hence also run the risk of coming out with repetitive performances just like the other two contestants who have been with Isha from day1.


Isha is fantastic at what she does even though I am no longer wowed by her performances. I would rather see someone take risks and try new things and fail and then get up and try again than someone who almost always stays in their comfort zone. But at the end of the day, I admire her talent and I want her to go all the way to the finale.




@ bold, thank you I try, but at times people can get to you unfortunately especially those who do not have anything productive to add.

@ Pink, no worries, I did the same and added a lot more from my old post. Thought it should be a different topic 😃

@ blue, completely agree. I just added the same in my thread before I saw you saying the same in a much much better way. So thanks. Exactly my point. GC has huge fan following and if he tried something different and failed, he will still be saved, and it has been proven. So I do agree that Shampa and audience has made it possible for GC to progress further. Unfortunately Isha doesn't have that liberty. So you're right, wish they would have done out and out something different earlier on the stage.

@red, I wrote the same thing in the other thread and exactly my thoughts. Too much of disparity to even compare these three. Audience likes change and freshness, and that is what Rashmi and Rithvik are bringing to the stage. May be that could be the reason to have brought them latter in the show.

@green, I still get wowed by some of the steps they incorporate, may be not the whole act. Like today, I was bowled by the wave like posture of Isha. Sorry but that was brilliant to me.

I think you mentioned somewhere that you are a choreographer, so I am sure your judgement will be better than mine. I judge these shows based on my standard and knowledge and what seems entertaining and worth my time.


Edited by -Chandramukhi- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Totally agree with u chandu..
It highly enough of the same rant ppl doing against isha salman. It needs to be stopped

Fab post though

Il will edit this later. Bt for nw this is enough
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Exactly Chadramukhi. atleast koi tou bola 👏
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Originally posted by: Pentaminous.

Exactly Chadramukhi. atleast koi tou bola 👏



Kisi ko to bolna hi padta hain 😆😆 It is getting irritated to read the same topic over and over again, and I don't understand, why do people not stick with one topic, what's the point of opening another one all together when the same could be said in the already opened topics. No wonder this forum looks spammed !!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post, it's weird how todays theme was to bring forward your best and Isha/Salman are being criticised by the public for bringing forward her best foot even though technically her forte is aerial ballet whilst here she did a completely different dance form of Solstrom.

It's also funny (and i've mentioned this in my posts) that people haven't seem to realise that Isha/Salman have done a range of dance forms the ones that actually JDJ is made for ie Tango, Ballroom, Paso Doble, Contemporary, Afro Jazz etc.

They haven't stuck to the safe options of Bollywood or traditional forms such as Kathak and other Indian forms of dancing.

The judges have been pretty fair this season and they've marked Isha and Salman low marks when they've underperformed but they've taken that on board and come back whilst some celebrities still don't seem to take on board the comments and marks and still struggle.

I'm a dancer so I watch the show from a technical pov and whilst I love my bollywood what amazes me more is when I get to see Celebs trying difficult dance forms such as Ballroom, Tango, Paso Doble because they require posture, grace and technical ability. That's one of the reasons I love this show because these Celebs get trained chroeographers who work with them on a one-2-one basis which they should grasp with both hands because trying to learn dance forms like Tango or even Paso Doble takes months and for an average person like us costs too.

This is why I want to see dance and different forms that amaze me and make think WOW which is what I get from performances by Isha/Salman, Rashmi/Deepak and even Rithvik and his partner.

It's just a shame that the majority of the viewers don't seem to grasp the concept of JDJ and seem to feel it's more of a popularity contest whereby they get to see their fave celeb from the tv world shake a leg and dress up.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-


@ blue, completely agree. I just added the same in my thread before I saw you saying the same in a much much better way. So thanks. Exactly my point. GC has huge fan following and if he tried something different and failed, he will still be saved, and it has been proven. So I do agree that Shampa and audience has made it possible for GC to progress further. Unfortunately Isha doesn't have that liberty. So you're right, wish they would have done out and out something different earlier on the stage.


@Chandramukhi, agree with everything you said except for the bold. I don't think that would have happened. Isha established herself as a phenomenal dancer in the first few episodes of the show. While she did not have a large voting bank I don't think she would have ever been voted off prior to the likes of Sanath, Talat, Jayati, Ravi, Pratyusha and so on. Yes there are people who vote for contestants purely based on their popularity but there are also people who vote for the dance too. So while she may not have been able to compete with few as far as voting bank is concerned I think she absolutely would have been safe compared to most of the other contestants. She did have the liberty to experiment more earlier on but I think they as a pair just didn't feel comfortable to do that. What was more important was making sure they came out on the top week after week which is fine but then towards the end of the competition viewers start viewing the performances as monotonous which is sad.

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