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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JB-US

Starting with your first question as to why is Ragini crying.

This woman has just lost her sole reason for living. She has worked as an independent single mother for 16 years and has tried desperately to give her children the best future possible. On her own she made numerous sacrifices for her children including taking excessive loans to provide her children a good lifestyle knowing well that they this would contradict a comfortable retirement later for her. Moreover, she has worked overtime for years without taking any holidays off so she her children would attend one of the best schools possible whose fees would be far more than affordable her. Regardless, she did it all and the flashbacks provided by the show display her affections for her children and the bonds they shared in their childhood. Great relationships that despite as you put it under strict influence were still to a great extent shown to have flowered in some sense.

Those memories include:

-Aarav on his first day to school and his inability to let go of his mom.

-Aarav and Ragini waking up simultaneously at midnight to eat the same halwa knowing well that they both want to. Both feed each other lovingly and Aarv praising his mom for cooking well and says that she should feed him everything because it tastes better when she does.

-Aarav hugging Ragini from behind as she is preparing a chocolate cake especially for him.

Many of these memories scattered show that their relationship weren't always like this and they still had some sort of emotional bond. It shows that they too have misunderstood their mom greatly like their father.

As for her strict implementations, that strictness is derived from moral and ethics and that is far from a wrong thing. Strictness does not mean a lack of understanding. Ragini understood her children to a great extent however they did not understand her due to their inexperience and young age.

Examples do include:

-Ragini addressed to Neil that if aarav's business failed, it would leave him emotionally unstable and completely shattered. Her words were quite accurate as the loss of his business slowly drove him to madness which upon Shilpa and Ranbir's incident was the final nail to push him to the brink of suicide.

-Ragini knew that Nishi would have problems settling at such a young age as she would not be able adjust to their style of living considering how nishi was always spoon-fed, this lifestyle where she would have to provide for the family in a way would prove to be difficult for her. True to her words, Nishi failed to adjust and overall found the family traditions, of cooking, cleaning rather boring and her husband always siding with her relatives.

-Aarav told Ragini that he loved Shilpa but Ragini knew that Shilpa was not a good girl (after seeing her French kiss Ranbir) she knew that Shilpa to some extent wanted money however this did not go well with Aarav. She knew that Shilpa would break his heart and he would be too affected by it (aware of his problem with anger managemen).

Ragini did not emotionally or verbally sympathize with her children and this put her in a rather negative light but to understand her children, she understood them better than they understood themselves however this put her at a disadvantage because she knew too much and that too before time.

As for the bonds between her children, I'll put in a rather simple format.

Aagham- Being the only somewhat sensible child in the family, he understands his mom and thus sees her hardships as well. He realizes the cakes she prepares every year secretly for him, he sees the two exact same gifts she gets for him and Aarav. He understands the love his mom harbors for him. Above all he trusts her, he knows that she was innocent with the whole Pam-Rk-Devika fiasco, he knows she was innocent and her statement was manipulated by the policemen and later Nivedita; he knew how much she loves her children and this is why he is close to her, not simply because grass grows greener on the other side, rather exposure to the sensitive side of his mom has made him see things differently and his open nature helps with that. Ragini and aagham share a unique relationship and this is beautiful, their hugs and long night sessions, comforting words, are but merely proof of the understanding they share.

Suhani- Ragini is not mean towards her, in fact even before suhani revealed her identity, Ragini and suhani also shared a significant bond. Ragini would confide to suhani about everything ( her past, relationships, etc) and the concern that welled in Ragini upon seeing suhani in the hospital shows the strength of their bond. They would also have late night sessions and lovely moments where suhani would comfort her or Ragini would hug her and act as a mother for her. Even after it was revealed that Suhani was not Neil's child, Ragini apologized to her and welcomed her officially into the family. Their relationship continued to strengthen after that. In the recent episodes, Suhani and aagham could be seen making cake with Ragini for Karan and Dimpy's anniversary and Ragini sharing her own humorous memories addressing the time neil attempted to make a cake. In another recent episode, when suhani has an argument with Karthik, she goes straight to her mom and talks about how boys are so insensitive and ragini goes right along. She is not mean to her but loves her the same, in fact she is closer to her than her own children. This is bond they share.

Ranbir- A good look at a recent flashback shows that he loved his mom and could not live a second without her. In return Ragini promised to be forever by his side but obviously no promises were fulfilled and therefore he is simply mad. Desperately wanting affections, in a recent episode he even says to Pam that I feel ignored, neglected and Pam simply tells him to brush it aside. In other words, Ranbir internally desiring his mom and craving the same love she showers over aarav and Nishi. In another episode, when Ragini accidentally calls him aarav he looks quite angry and hurt saying I'm not him but Ranbir; he's disappointed that his mom forgot him. He wants his mother back but will never say it, he will hurt her to make her feel the same pain he felt over the years but will always give the wrong reasons for it. Examples of that include, when aagham and Suhani tease him, don't you want to know about mom, he simply looks flustered and says no but searches her up on the internet anyway but later to justify what he did simply says, I just wanted to know what a mother who left her children would look like. As for Ragini, she made several attempts to connect with him but none being so consistent, she has offered him food numerous times saying she remembered how he loved chocolate cake and so on but he has refused. Even when Ragini attempts to bandage him, he says to her my wounds do not heal quickly referring to how she broke her promises and left him. He's just internally hurt overall.

Aarav and Nishi, now seeing the conversation prior on the points you have made about them, I will first address those and then later reveal my perspective on each individual one.

As you have put out that Ragini's values are not evident in her children, I will say that in the beginning and some after remnants of those values were seen.

Examples include:

After Nishi ran away, she realizes the love her mom harbored for her and how worried she will be decided her decision was wrong and returned to her immediately.

In the beginning, Nishi always addressed how her mom would be disappointed and she does not want to hurt her. When Jignesh says to her to look up her dad, her first response is i can't hurt my mom.

When it was revealed that Ragini tried to save ranbir, Nishi apologizes to Ragini and says you were right. (Her apologies are actually so many and quite consistent because she keeps misunderstanding her mom...Explained below)

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Aarav while being first blown away by seeing the lavish lifestyle his father had after lashing out at his mother on his birthday goes home to her and apologizes desperately to her and tries to feed her saying whenever she gets angry with him, she does not eat.

Aarav on the brink of committing suicide says to his mom you were right about everything, I wish you had stopped me before, I wish I listened to you, you are too nice etc.

They realize but they realize late. Nishi and Aarav are hormonal teenagers who seemed somewhat in control and hopefully would've overcome this stage (at least Aarav) and reached similar values to Ragini if their dad to an extent had not interfered, intentionally or unintentionally...again explained below.

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Continuation:

Aarav- He shares an unusual bond with his mom, similar to ranbir he cannot go a second without her. As a teenager he also experiences feelings of love and like many desires to achieve fame in the quickest shortest way possible. At times these feelings and emotions can become overbearing for him. However his values do surface from time to time, he apologizes to his mother without being told, he realizes that she has not eaten, he hugs her out of care and love (farmhouse scene when she tells him to go to sleep and he cracks a joke about Aman), he asks her, cherishes her to a great extent yet being a teenager and later manipulated by Ranbir and made to feel pathetic these emotions built up inside of him. Seeing Neil's wealth those values begun to lose themselves as he wants them to gain the love of his life. He wants to go quickly, reach too quickly and thus he goes to Neil because he no longer wants someone to tell him wrong from right, he just wants a figure who will support him regardless of the situation. Here Neil influences him unintentionally however current day, I cannot say the same. During the course of his time in prison, as displayed in recent episodes, he only wanted his mom. He had all flashbacks of her, how she would feed him, love him, fight with him, and he just wants her yet won't admit it. Current day Neil does influence him intentionally, he bails him out and says in front of him it was your mom's fault you were in jail. He promises aarav a new life, a wealthy lifestyle and Aarav is again overwhelmed and sold to him. Yet his emotions remain tender and raw for ragini because he believes that she is lying to him when she tells him that she loves him but in his head he wants desperately for it to be true. Regardless prison has hardened him, the same person he loved the most once has become the same person he hates the most.

Nishi-Her values were first evident in the beginning of the leap but afterwards, they just vanished as the examples state above. This girl no longer wants mom, she similarly wants a figure head to tell her she's right and get what she want. I will say Neil did influence her because he's the who enforced the idea that she should get married at 18 and continued to taunt Ragini saying that she controlled her children's life when she disagreed. Her character in the beginning was sort of sweet saying she didn't want to hurt mom and loved her but again those values vanished as her interactions with wealth and her dad's continuous support grew.

Regardless, since you know that Neil was at fault for parts, I do not wish to repeat the reasons.

As for wealth, I will say that Nishi is but Aarav is partially bought by it, and yes while ragini is losing to money she is also losing to well put out manipulations and major misunderstandings.

You ask why is she crying, well it's easier to say than to experience it. Her love will remain the same for them because they are her children and it will pain her immensely to separate from them regardless of whether she knew or not it was coming.

"She refused to go back to Neil. She should have played her cards right and gotten back with her husband. when her own children are so matlabi and have no heart why should she fight with Neil that too over Aarav? it was pointless. "

She refused to go back to neil because concepts like self-respect and dignity exist! This man lied to her, is responsible for getting her child in jail, and the last thing she will do is get together with him.

Play her cards right????? She is not a gold digger nor some tramp, gotten back with a husband who cannot even keep promises, trust her, cannot even tell the truth, is having a romantic date with her while her son is running for his life...A husband like that...no thank you.

If you think that her fight was stupid and pointless, then obviously you did not see that her son meant a lot to her. She knew that if he came to her, she would be able to convince him and make him understand that she loved him. While it's pointless for you, it meant the world to her because she was fighting for the sole reason of her existence, of her sacrifices. She was not going to let neil take away what was everything to her. Her pleasing, her arguing, it was only what a mother who could do. While she knew what her children were, she loved them with all their faults and she would fight and give anything to have them back in her life. That is why she was fighting and despite the battle being lost, she knew that for her own satisfaction that she had to try.

It was not stupid, i found it noble in her acts to still sacrifice, fight, and care for those who are currently unworthy of her affections.

As for now, welcome back to the forum. Nice to see more debates going on and hope you stay tuned.


Thank you for writing this. I agree with all your points.
One thing that I find everyone misses is how stupid Aarav can be sometimes. When he knew Babu bhai was after his life, he went to Shilpa and asked her if she would like to run away with him. Like seriously?
Edited by loveleen3 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#12
I cannot believe that there are people out there who are so shallow about the feelings and the upbringing of a single mom. It is very hard to bring children up without a partner. As parents we try our hardest to be good. Good as a parent and good and kind and strict as a mother. A mother many times has to curb her love by not giving in to children. and the love is great. And the urge not to give in to everything a child wants is painful to the heart of a mom.
Don't judge too easily, people, unless you know what it is like to be a caring mom.

As for the father in the story, he isquite despicable the way he plays games with the children against the mother. If he was a good parent, he would want the children to respect the mother in order to help them keep balanced in their lives.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: amslucas

I cannot believe that there are people out there who are so shallow about the feelings and the upbringing of a single mom. It is very hard to bring children up without a partner. As parents we try our hardest to be good. Good as a parent and good and kind and strict as a mother. A mother many times has to curb her love by not giving in to children. and the love is great. And the urge not to give in to everything a child wants is painful to the heart of a mom.

Don't judge too easily, people, unless you know what it is like to be a caring mom.

As for the father in the story, he isquite despicable the way he plays games with the children against the mother. If he was a good parent, he would want the children to respect the mother in order to help them keep balanced in their lives.


I don't despise single moms. I sympathise with Ragini. from the beginning. Though I cannot understand why they divided the kids. thus depriving two kids of mom's love and two more kids of father's guidence. just for the sake of their own ego.

Children are not objects to divide as they choose. And here the difference in lifestyle is so great. Ragini's efforts to educate the kids so that they come up in life trying to do things beyond her means has not had any effect on her children who neither valued her efforts nor valued her love.

As is seen in the case of Nishi and Aarav. About Aarav what happened in the last episode is too much . I looked at his face he had no love or affection for his mom who gave him so much love affection good guidence everything. He wanted impossible cheez like Shllpa quick money lifestyle etc. He did things like playing with gun which got him two years jail.

About Neil the lesser said the better. He was one way when he was without his wife but when he was getting back with Ragini where was the need to misguide Aarav. It ruined Ragini's life again and took them back to where it was.

After Ragini broke up again with her hubby Aarav went with his father. without any explanation to his mother no love no affection noting. Just blaming her for what happened. when Ragini blamed Neil for what happened and separated from him again. just because of Aarav.

I am not blaming Ragini at all. as a single mom or otherwise. But Aarav and Nishi yes I am irritated beyond words with both of them . They do not know the value of their mother. They ruin her efforts and they side with their father.

Aarav is not blaming his father for what happened. Instead he is blaming his mom and is fine with his father.

I don't see the logic of this. In this circumstance why did Ragini separate from her husband a second time? Now they fight like cats and dogs. Everybody Pam, RK, Neil , Ragini everybody.

Why did Ragini separate from Neil a second time that too for Aarav's sake when Aarav the very reason for her very existence is taking his father's side not just for money but for everything?

Do you see my point anybody? A bunch of misguided kids like Nishi and Aarav , and Ranbir who is taking revenge on Aarav by taking his girlfriend and getting him into jail and not regretting one bit about what he has done. What use is Ragini spending her whole life and working to give them best education and good life?

She loved her husband anyways so why could she have not gone with him after so many years? Why did she separate from him for the sake of Aarav who never valued what she did for him but only blamed her?
Edited by pyaaribehna - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@JB-US
Today too did anyone notice the way Aarav spoke when Agam wanted to go and stay with Ragini?

This is the way he speaks about his mother who gave him her whole life he is insulting her and telling Agam too not to go to her since she will ruin his life with her domineering attitude.

See this is what I have been talking about. Neither Aarav nor Nishi care for Ragini.

Nishi is just a little better than Aarav . She is nice a bit nicer. But she too never cared for Ragini or else she would not have gone and gotten involved with Jignesh at such a young age.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Cvs purposely show Aarav and Nishi that way like they never speak a nice word to Ragini blaming her all the time for anything that happened.
In spite of Ragini telling him to stay away from GF chakkar and business and concentrate on his studies Aarav disobeyed her and now blaming her for his prison term. He sides with Papa.

And Nishi refused to listen to her and got married and now turned into a nag , an irritated woman, fighting with her in laws hardly independant.

Still she blames Ragini and sides with Papa.

Aarav is a thoroughly objectionable character doing all wrong things and blaming his mom.

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