Blast from the Past Thread #26 ** Talk to me ** P 132, Ep 299 - Page 77

Originally posted by: Horizon

I refrained from talking about reruns here and jumping ahead... esp in the 300s...avoiding reaching that endless end..

Mentioned this on another chat, yesterday's episode, as I checked 314 it is, I was completely floored as if I was watching the first time...as I never really watched these dadi episodes after how many ever watches of the their initial telecast day ...

There is some thing in this posture that is talking to me endlessly... a man who cares for his wife... rendering her support, a bit of guilt and plead also perhaps.. as he said she was at NO fault at how their marriage happened...a conversation set up in a higher plane...

As much as he disputed with nani and dadi, he was always quite respectful to them...that doesn't mean he would concur with them on all counts...respectful disagreement at its best or worst..as he entered that room where nani and dadi are exchanging quite a wrath, he didn't really try hard to mask his displeasure, an apathy a 14 yr old felt perhaps in their most needed hr. As he exactly vented his frustration at her indifference and antagonism for his father, he was trying to hard to contain his rage but not his beliefs...a perfection hard to miss...

Then happens the most beautiful moment... his wife was not allowed to enter the room.. he quietly goes and joins her by her side... he didn't bring his wife inside...he could have.. but he very much respects his dadi's own little space .. but same time respects the space his wife duly deserves...

" mei yaheen se sun raha hun.. kahiye".. I am listening from here.. you tell me...with a killing softness.. there was no bundles of anger .. yet unrelentingly firm...character growth in the right direction...I wanted to reach inside my screen.. and hug him..

After IPK, I have learned that being interfering, sacrificial, God- playing is a commonality for the bahus of telly land. Sadly, my favorite female lead couldn't escape from those clichs..but here after an year of its inception..and my leading man is still very much intact.. talking to me .. as confidently, clearly as ever... no wonder he is the most cherished one and this love story still invokes lot of things in me..

thanks for this, indu.

i just said to someone somewhere, this is one of the most stunning moments in the asr khushi story.

in fact, i remember thinking, this is where the character of asr takes a stance that is fascinatingly respectful of a relationship... of his wife... and states plainly, where my wife is not welcome, he surely can't be. this is a husband. not someone who leaves you alone to do agni pariksha.

this is the reason i cried for him on that suhag raat he planned that went haywire... i felt his terrible pain when he said don't our feelings have any meaning then? he asks something all hidebound societies need to ask. and i loved his honest erupting anger... then it's mellowing down because he loves her... that's all. all that is really important dammit. and for that he wil do anything, even marry his patni again.

and yes, he is never disrespectful of his elders... yet he has his individual way of thinking and asserting it where he feels it needs to be.

somewhere along the way, in all the misinterpretation and other things a vast culture with many traditions that has been around for a while and grown in stages goes through, we have started confusing abject agreeing with a group, a norm, a "samaj" to be more important than anything else.

if you are "good" you will do a, b, c, d. e, but funnily none of them will have anything to do with your ability as a human being to think and feel as an individual. to act with a sense of individual responsibility, to examine and find your true path. just follow, bas.

in fact, the slightest show of individual identity started getting viewed and presented as arrogance, ahamkara.

yet, there has always been space for the individual in india. someone once told me, the five pandavs, each had his own duty, his own dharma.

this individual experience of dharma...

making this life your own and accepting the larger concepts laid out by a culture, but not blindly. even refusing to say yes to what you can't believe in..

ah, such a loss of it. especially in the constantly watched and therefore highly influential mass media... the tv serial in particular.

if a "modern" character is presented it is shown as almost entirely delinked from the culture of the land... and of course all he does is considered very "westernized", ultimately he has to give in to the "indian" way in some cases or just remains "cool" but never quite becomes part of us, in our veins.

asr is a rare character and portrayal. he is a man who levels with himself and the world... i just love this sense of self and the sense of the world around him.

i love his respect for women, he is almost unaware of gender bias.

i love how he owns his life and allows in everything that he positively relates to in his culture, but questions what he doesn't. rejects it if need be. a stunning scene is when he unequivocally tells his grandmother, my father, your son... was wrong. he was the married man.

he remains someone who doesn't believe in rituals. but because he believes in something many forget to believe in and explore... love, he does the whole thing for the woman he loves and does it with complete honesty.

and here... oh... sorry ram, you just got completely questioned by asr when he said, no can go where my wife can't. this is my patni... held her hand, walked away. and uff when he crooked his fingers under her chin and lifted her face... i cried.

this is a man, horizon.

a real man.

shades of him are always to be found in the real men of our lives.

sorry i went on and on. i love every word you say, every thought you bring up.

this is a man worth studying, understanding, being like. even if one is a woman.

Originally posted by: indi52

thanks for this, indu.

i just said to someone somewhere, this is one of the most stunning moments in the asr khushi story.

in fact, i remember thinking, this is where the character of asr takes a stance that is fascinatingly respectful of a relationship... of his wife... and states plainly, where my wife is not welcome, he surely can't be. this is a husband. not someone who leaves you alone to do agni pariksha.

this is the reason i cried for him on that suhag raat he planned that went haywire... i felt his terrible pain when he said don't our feelings have any meaning then? he asks something all hidebound societies need to ask. and i loved his honest erupting anger... then it's mellowing down because he loves her... that's all. all that is really important dammit. and for that he wil do anything, even marry his patni again.

and yes, he is never disrespectful of his elders... yet he has his individual way of thinking and asserting it where he feels it needs to be.

somewhere along the way, in all the misinterpretation and other things a vast culture with many traditions that has been around for a while and grown in stages goes through, we have started confusing abject agreeing with a group, a norm, a "samaj" to be more important than anything else.

if you are "good" you will do a, b, c, d. e, but funnily none of them will have anything to do with your ability as a human being to think and feel as an individual. to act with a sense of individual responsibility, to examine and find your true path. just follow, bas.

in fact, the slightest show of individual identity started getting viewed and presented as arrogance, ahamkara.

yet, there has always been space for the individual in india. someone once told me, the five pandavs, each had his own duty, his own dharma.

this individual experience of dharma...

making this life your own and accepting the larger concepts laid out by a culture, but not blindly. even refusing to say yes to what you can't believe in..

ah, such a loss of it. especially in the constantly watched and therefore highly influential mass media... the tv serial in particular.

if a "modern" character is presented it is shown as almost entirely delinked from the culture of the land... and of course all he does is considered very "westernized", ultimately he has to give in to the "indian" way in some cases or just remains "cool" but never quite becomes part of us, in our veins.

asr is a rare character and portrayal. he is a man who levels with himself and the world... i just love this sense of self and the sense of the world around him.

i love his respect for women, he is almost unaware of gender bias.

i love how he owns his life and allows in everything that he positively relates to in his culture, but questions what he doesn't. rejects it if need be. a stunning scene is when he unequivocally tells his grandmother, my father, your son... was wrong. he was the married man.

he remains someone who doesn't believe in rituals. but because he believes in something many forget to believe in and explore... love, he does the whole thing for the woman he loves and does it with complete honesty.

and here... oh... sorry ram, you just got completely questioned by asr when he said, no can go where my wife can't. this is my patni... held her hand, walked away. and uff when he crooked his fingers under her chin and lifted her face... i cried.

this is a man, horizon.

a real man.

shades of him are always to be found in the real men of our lives.

sorry i went on and on. i love every word you say, every thought you bring up.

this is a man worth studying, understanding, being like. even if one is a woman.

Butting in, I wanted to reply to Indu earlier, but for some reason IF was not allowing me to logon from any other system other than my personal laptop! I just loved what you wrote Indu. And Indi di,that in pink above, I've done too every single time I've watched. Cried with the girl too, seeing her attempts at reassuring him. I think he understands and revels in the beauty of the innocence that is her. Probably too good for that bedard asli duniya that he knows. Brings out all his protective instincts. And he is too good a man, of a kind that we need more of.

Originally posted by: kizh72

Butting in, I wanted to reply to Indu earlier, but for some reason IF was not allowing me to logon from any other system other than my personal laptop! I just loved what you wrote Indu. And Indi di,that in pink above, I've done too every single time I've watched. Cried with the girl too, seeing her attempts at reassuring him. I think he understands and revels in the beauty of the innocence that is her. Probably too good for that bedard asli duniya that he knows. Brings out all his protective instincts. And he is too good a man, of a kind that we need more of.

kizh,

in bold underlined, totally agree... and he revels in that untouched thing about her. he loves it... and when he tells her she is the coolest person he has ever met, i know he means it... the way he looks at her... up there indu speaks of that posture... right through after his return from kidnap... the body language says so much... and the light in his eyes. he manages to look so so so tender and that too without looking soppy and over the top... how does this actor manage that. how do you look at someone with wonder and joy and sweetness and that protectiveness and desire... absolute delight... every girl deserves a lover like that.

look at his eyes. and the way he touches her... cherishing, love, right, plain wanting... all there.

Originally posted by: Horizon

I refrained from talking about reruns here and jumping ahead... esp in the 300s...avoiding reaching that endless end..

Mentioned this on another chat, yesterday's episode, as I checked 314 it is, I was completely floored as if I was watching the first time...as I never really watched these dadi episodes after how many ever watches of the their initial telecast day ...

There is some thing in this posture that is talking to me endlessly... a man who cares for his wife... you are abs right... a man who will stand like a wall before her and take all the bullets, who will not let a single slight pass through. that body language makes me understand why just for her sake he would marry his patni again... and do it with utmost sincerity. this scene is so intimate and rooted in the whole idea of marriage as we have come to see it... wither thou goest... rendering her support, a bit of guilt he feels very guilty i think... he knows it's his actions that have put her in this vunerable position and plead also perhaps.. as he said she was at NO fault at how their marriage happened...a conversation set up in a higher plane... 👏 👏

As much as he disputed with nani and dadi, he was always quite respectful to them...that doesn't mean he would concur with them on all counts...respectful disagreement at its best or worst.. to me, this is true culture. to value yourself, to have an individual sense of life and also respect others, show special respect to the elders, because they came before us, their experience guides us and their blessings nurture us, and they are older, simply that even... but not just accept all without thinking, withoout conviction. a rare man of conviction.

as he entered that room where nani and dadi are exchanging quite a wrath, he didn't really try hard to mask his displeasure, an apathy a 14 yr old felt perhaps in their most needed hr. As he exactly vented his frustration at her indifference and antagonism for his father, he was trying to hard to contain his rage but not his beliefs...a perfection hard to miss... well said.

Then happens the most beautiful moment... his wife was not allowed to enter the room.. he quietly goes and joins her by her side... he didn't bring his wife inside...he could have.. but he very much respects his dadi's own little space .. but same time respects the space his wife duly deserves...

" mei yaheen se sun raha hun.. kahiye".. I am listening from here.. you tell me...with a killing softness.. where is this actor oh where. there was no bundles of anger .. yet unrelentingly firm...character growth in the right direction...I wanted to reach inside my screen.. and hug him.. i wanted to kiss him on his cheek and say, bravo. actually no, i wanted to i think, do a proper namaste to him and say, bravo.

After IPK, I have learned that being interfering, sacrificial, God- playing is a commonality for the bahus of telly land. Sadly, my favorite female lead couldn't escape from those clichs..but here after an year of its inception..and my leading man is still very much intact.. talking to me .. as confidently, clearly as ever... no wonder he is the most cherished one and this love story still invokes lot of things in me.. he never allowed anything to stop talking to me too... he found in every situation, every difficult moment, even in sheetal... something indestructibly and pricelessly arnav singh and worked to make sure i felt that. they did ruin her beauty though... maybe there si a place and time in some universe where that will not happen, i hope i make it there.

thanks, indu,

that was a treat.

wanted to chat again since the last time i just was so elated, spoke only about my thoughts.

beautiful thought stirring analysis of a scen and the man it reveals. he is really worth a phd thesis. and when will his time in our land. neither western, nor so called indian. a true man and yes, from my world.

IPKKND SBS 4 july 2012 ( Shyaam said That he didn't Kidnapped arnav), Episode 290 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZc_KaZ1V7Y[/YOUTUBE]

DL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZc_KaZ1V7Y

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DL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY85kbt5ioo

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^^^

kate, have you posted twice?

could it be one for each slap? 😆

just saw them... uff. thanks so much