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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: samin6


Look at Khushi- not arnav and think you will see one. Now did none of you actually see the kiss before? I know there was no hype about that because it was an almost consummation and all and the hype was more that and also the use of BDs. Seriously Indi I am also surprised at myself that I am trying to argue that there was a lip kiss in the hut. And by the way on SR there were 3 kisses not only one.


I think we should all agree to disagree on this one with no hurt feelings. We all have our own views and opinions that what's makes this thread so great! I also think that is what makes a serial great when people interpret different views hats off to the writers and the directors and the creative team for all those illusions! No hard feelings please...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758



Indi, You are so the woman right now!! I know it seems so funny how we care so much about a simple kiss...but there was no simple kiss in IPK. Every gesture, slight of hand, brush of lips on the cheek, soft grasping of dupatta or collar , every mesmerizing glance...etc.etc.etc. is so very important and meaningful to us. And yes in today's free society of jumping in bed, this serial is so much more tantalizing and seductive just because they don't do that!


Well said Indi and Cynthia😊
There is no question about it ,every scene takes our breath away when these two are on the screen without BD.They just put it on fire the heat of which always burn us through our core and if you think a lot happens in those moments without anything apparently and that was the magic "Seher" the SPELL of intense LOVE of these two.
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Posted: 12 years ago
correcting my earlier statement on kiss controversy... apologies.

yes of course, there was a kiss on the lips, suggested only, never actually shown, by the last shot of asr rolling over khushi in the farm house scene. though if i were to direct that shot, i would ask asr to move his head down toward hers a bit more, i might even have taken the camera a bit closer to read her expression, or see her closed eyes. and on cliff top there was meeting of lips, again suggested when he gives her cpr. not a kiss though.

however, the kiss i spoke of in that message to ami, remains the one she gave him, without fear, without doubt, in utter submission to love and staking her claim on him at once, on that first suhag raat night of theirs, the one that really deserved a beautiful end. i was just kidding with ami, about that sexy lagi shart kiss of that man's; how adorable was their play of falling in love. ufff.

samin, if you say you saw and felt those kisses, of course they were there. i couldn't see them, that's all. no big deal. more kisses the merrier.

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Posted: 12 years ago
arshi,

you said "seher" again. means spell. yes. what a lovely lovely word. urdu, no doubt. the abs language of love.
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Posted: 12 years ago
charlotte,
hi and thanks for reading my story. and liking it. 🤗
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758

Disclaimer:I would like to acknowledge that all my translations have been found on You Tube Videos translated by Alexa. All credit of translation and my interpretation of her work is acknowledged. All work I consider to be my own with the help of the translation. If work is used please credit. Thank you all for reading!

Episode 55

I Will Not Lose!

"Lavanya Kashyup! How dare you enter the temple without bathing? Didn't I tell you last night? What did you think I would not find out? You don't care what I say! I knew you would be late, a person must know faith. Who taught you? After lying you have showed me your true colors! I'm not just angry but I am ashamed!" Lavanya's response is "Oh God." And she runs away. "Have you seen? Have you seen?" she asks everyone else. "Today I feel very bad and will not be able to do pooja." She leaves, on her mind she may be saying 'I will not lose my grandson to this woman!' Anjali wants to go to her and Shyam stops her; he tells her to leave her alone for a while she has every reason to be upset, what Lavanya did was not good. We will talk about it later. He has to go to "work" and if he didn't have to go he would always be by her side. Liar, I hope you lose'.everything. Mami says Nani is up one and Lavanya is down one. She asks Anjali can we eat now. Mami is always hungry just like Kushi! Mamaji tells his son to listen to him and never marry for love. He thinks you can't lose that way!

Kushi and Payal go to all the hotel sweet shops and even with their cute dialogue they were rejected, turned away, empty handed of orders.

ASR is on the phone making arrangements for a party. La bursts in saying,"ASR you won't believe what just happened in the temple." He lets her know he doesn't have time to deal with her. He has one day to make all the arrangements for his sister's anniversary party. Lavanya's eyes light up, now you're talking her style! It's about time something happens in the house she can relate to. She has waited so long, (I thought she just got there), and she wants to know if he made arrangements for the champagne fountain. ASR reminds her that the Raizada house does not consume alcohol, so no, there will be no champagne. "Oh, it's okay, no problem. What should I wear? Should I wear that red saree from the bridal collection? You know the one Chamkilli wore at the photo shoot." He stops, images of Kushi in the saree flowing through his mind. She looks beautiful, oh those innocent eyes, her hair loose and flowing, simply breathtaking. He gets annoyed. "Enough, Lavanya, from now on I don't want to hear her name!" "ASR'." (ASR's thoughts at this moment: I will not lose my sanity, my self, my mind, my heart to THAT girl!)

Kushi and Payal are in another hotel shop and they once again are being rejected. As they are walking away the manager receives a phone call from someone who wants sweets for 200 from Lucknow. He says he will have them there and his assistant is signing to him NO, NO. He hangs up and the assistant says his supplier from Lucknow will not be available to fill orders until next month. Kushi overhears and turns back telling him that she is from Lucknow taste her sweets, go ahead taste them. He does and they love them. He hires her for the job for tomorrow night. His phone rings again and he tells his customer that all will be well. He has original Lucknow sweets that are delicious and will be ready for his party for tomorrow. He ordered extra jalebi too! He can't lose!

Kushi and Payal are trying to figure out their finances and supplies. All they have is 1000 rupees and very little time to prepare their sweets. Kushi says to her sister not to lose confidence. They will make the sweets, everyone will love them and they will receive more orders. Buaji comes and hands Kushi her bangles and says to take them to the pawn shop. Kushi starts crying and Buaji says look it started again, tears, we are not selling we are just giving them to the pawn shop. We will get them back after we pay our debts and make a profit. They hug. It is time to begin; they have nothing to lose only to gain!

After they have bought their supplies, they are making sure they have everything and now they can begin. She says to Payal the only thing missing is your smile! Yes, ladies it is very important that when you are baking that you have your whole heart, soul and smile involved while preparing! Shyam comes and everyone is happy to see him. He has brought gifts to help with the baking. How did you know we are baking, oh she looks at the utensil in her hand and he points to the flour on her face. Kushi tells him they have a very large order due tomorrow. He has come to help he says. Buaji is watching the two and takes blessings. Everybody is preparing the sweets and Shyam grabs Kushi's hand that was near the hot oil. He apologises. Why do you apologise? She looks at her wound on her wrist someone else is at fault. It is Arnav Singh Raizada's fault. Every thing happens because of that Rakshas ASR. All the problems Payal says it is because of her, they had to mortgage the house for the wedding and Kushi says no it was ASR, the Rakshas fault. Right, Shyamji? Ofcourse, he says, but in his mind he says he doesn't know what to do he can't give reasons to either Anjali or Kushi. He is going to lose either way.

ASR opens his closet and in there he sees a tiny box. It contains the pearls from Kushi's dori. He looks at them, reverently he takes the box and places it in his hands. He views the images in his mind of what he did to her. He gets angry, throws the pearls and thinks in his mind, "I am not so weak to always be thinking about that girl. She haunts my mind like a ghost. I WILL NOT LOSE! Feelings and emotions have no place in my life and I will not let you enter into my life or get under my skin! Now you are a part of my past. Kushi Kumari Gupta is only a name to me now!"

Arnav Singh Raizada you have already lost yourself to one Kushi Kumari Gupta, got that. You can say 'I will not lose' as much as you want; you have been defeated by the young, naieve, middle class girl from Lucknow!😆

PS Happy Valentine's Day!


Hey Cynthia

Black stood out for me.Green 😡 because the way he was lusting at him.just YUCK!
Red That RED BEAUTY has done the damage deeply enough ,nothing can repair it.
Purple just awesome especially bottom lines.Those pearls are their life story my POV❤️
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha


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YOU HAVE SEEN MY HUMBLE SIDE. TRUST ME YOU WON'T LIKE THE OTHER...


EPISODE 55

Pearls symbolizes purity, spiritual transformation ,honesty , and integrity, all the best within us.It helps with self acceptance and provides dignity.Above all it is a lunar symbol represents water and woman.

Pearls are rare ,pure, and precious, flawless and white being dredged from the mud, coming from the clumsy shell.

These pearls are circulating around them [Arnav &Khushi] since the day one as the metamorphosis of these pearls are happening in a circle though it is far from being closed one yet ,but still throwing flare of its heat and light on these two souls to melt for each other, to embrace each other and to wrap each other in their "Sehar" [spell] 😳

These Pearls are just like emotions which they are keeping for each other inside the ocean of their hearts without flowing them out .These are their wishes which they have for each other more than the depth of an ocean.These are the pains which they share by destiny and bring uproar of this ocean in their lives when they feel it.These are the eyes through which they acknowledge each other and dignify each other .These Pearls are the stars which are the reasons of their existence in this world and far from the distance smiling at them at their pure but delusional hearts.These are the desires which are longing ,yearning ,and embarking in their hearts and making them agitated to be with each other.These Pearls are the purity of love for each other which is so precious and flawless among them regardless of the presence of the particles of mud around them by any means and by any direction.These pearls today are screaming at him to accept all this but he does not want to accept the honesty of his own emotions as they are just distractors for him and ASR has no room for that."In jazbaat aur ehsasat ki meri zidagi mein koi jagha nahin hai"[I have no room for these feelings and emotions."Arnav Singh Raizada itna kamzore nahin keh woh eik larki keh khiyal ko aapne dimagh se na nikal sake"[ASR is not that weak who can't get rid of one girl out of his mind] It s a Challenge , new deal for ASR to keep Arnav back behind the armor shell.

"Eik saye ki tarah cha gaye hai dimagh peh...Baar baar usi ka khial usi ka chehra...jaise challenge kar rahi ho...nahin mein har man ne walon mein se nahin hoon' Acceptance of raving emotions in the wilderment of this ocean is blustering with ASR BG tone but each word shows the honesty and depth of the ocean of his emotions ,those pearls, which he has thrown out but is he successful with that...hmmm..😊

The pearls of emotions and desires as khushi's dress which he kept secretly because these made him feel her , touch her , hold her , and above all dignify her purity, her beauty, her innocence, her honesty of her heart & smile but yet throwing em away why? Just because the Walls of the great ASR's castle are weakening by the existence of one pure soul known as Khushi...Today He wanted to get rid of Khushi's thoughts ,these pearls , from his mind because of antagonism against his feelings.These pearls which represents Khushi's existence for him in his life as these are part of hers which came to him that day by destiny.That destiny which does not run by him or her and is screaming through these pearls ,no matter where you scatter us we will be around as pure and flawless as the day one.

Pause here:His longing ,gazing ,touching ,feeling and adoring those pearls is the evident how much Khushi has reached into the Ironic Shell of ASR.It seemed to me he was loving and adoring her with spellblindingly.He just simply can't let it go just by throwing them.

Other side pearls of pains and desires running as anger ,as disappointment, as fears ,as a bitter pill which are becoming hard for her to swallow .The "MARK" which he gave her unintentionally screaming at the depth of her heart to up bring her emotions and desires but she is throwing them ,rejecting them by dejecting herself out of this ocean as the Walls of her dignity and ego are weakening by one person known as ASR who cares like a Rajkumar but acts like a Rakshus .Her heart is afraid of inclining towards at him as he gave her unseen and unbearable wounds.Those wounds which are awakening unfamiliar and fearful desires in her and she has no way out but to reject them ."Aur waise bhi us chot ka kia jo dikhai nahin daiti" [ What about unseen wounds] "Bol diya tou bol diya yeh sab us Rakshus ki ghalati hai"[This is all because of him] She just making her satisfied by throwing daggers at him to get her out of this dilemma his "Seher" [spell]

The thought behind pearls and the story behind this thought is commendable.Makers deserve a big hand of applause'..👏👏👏

Filthy and raunchy desires of the particles of mud are also tangling along among the purity of these pearly and pure desires.Shyam Manohar Jha who is climbing each day with his muddy feet among all white spiritual places RM and GH , has thrown out today one more time by DM plan designed for Khushi to reside in "Shafaf Dil" [ pure heart] and not to slip in this mud and its particles."humain Lagta hai keh aapko Lukhnow jane ke bare mein eik baar phir sochna chahiye"[I think you should consider going back Lukhnow] 'AS he is weakening by the thoughts of being failure in his plan which he designed to fail himself and proved to play a role of Cupid to make that pure and pearly relation divine by throwing arrows on these flawless and Dhak Dhak hearts.

Nani's furiousness at La's conduct was quiet debatable .La, instead of being apologetic she showed attitude to Nani. It made everybody upset at that moment. Mamaji even warned Akash not to get married and especially love marriage. Poor Akashji who is already in the Jhankar of Payalji,certainly got in despair mode'.Awww'..

Khushi's antics were out of this world while promoting their sweets everywhere. "Jai Devi Maya Mishtana Bhandar" is a LONG Slogan but too hilarious! I must say only Khushi can deliver that and Sanaya was outstanding doing that... They hit a very big order [ which is from Raizadas who LOVE Lukhnow sweets especially Jijaji ] after several delusive pursuits. Fate is playing its role according to the moves of DM... They didn't get any advance, as their shop is lacking fame.

The most sweet and emotional moment was Buaji's emancipation of offering them her gold bangles to pawn for moving forward with the Big order.The scene made me so emotional just like Khushi as some people in the world have so much to put up with for their survival and some zealously enjoy. "tum methai ki jagha aanso ka order leh aati tou aab tak poora ho jata"[you should have order of tears instead of sweets]

PAUSE HERE-They didn't get the price of their sweets because of of evil planner Mami. DM is determined to make these two go through to reach their final destination RM and adamant to hit Mami with reality and fate to accept them as their Bahus.👏



RM ,Arnav was planning for his Di's anniversary party. He was again disimpassioned when aloof La came to complain. She got excited for party.Her enthusiasm is way above the heel as she wants to wear Red Saree like Khushi .[so Khushi is in her head too as that she was jealous seeing her beauty]

Arnav emulated with Khushi's thought again after hearing her name.This red beauty has wrapped him around with "Seher" [spell] but this spell is a curse for ASR as "use kissi Larki sai farak nahin parta"'.[I don't care about any girl. ]Too much for big words and ego as you can't run away from it sweetheart as DM is with you for your own good."mujhe aaj keh baad yeh naam nahin suna hai"[I don't want to hear her name]

The pearls are thrown out ,The name is thrown out but can you throw "FATE" out too'.ASR'hmmm😳😳

I must say transformation of ASR from that pearly night to Red beauty night ,and then from rainy stormy night to guest house heated night has indeed proved him that a most vulnerable Arnav is thriving , aching and yearning for Khushi and only for Khushi, a white pearl right under the clumsy shell.😊

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👏 👏 ⭐️ thoughts on pearls and their layered symbolism. delightful to read. yes, from that very first days those little white numbers, scattering, dancing, appearing in jacket pockets, waiting to be restrung it seems, mind of their own. arnav the ocean with a pearl heart and ability to love hidden deep within. or maybe, the pure pearl is khushi who must dive deep into the ocean to discover his pure and precious, carefully hidden heart. water is always around our lovers, as are pearls and the sky and those stars. dreamy, and redolent with many emotions and signs.

loved your take on that. purple is fab, red is great, and pink is always awww.

that green, 🤢 for you know who. again your choose fantastic words top express the nature of his feelings.

purity in two hearts and putridness in one.

this was one of your most inspired analyses. thanks so much. i will refer to the pearl story move along.
Edited by indi52 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

arshi,

you said "seher" again. means spell. yes. what a lovely lovely word. urdu, no doubt. the abs language of love.


Yes Indi this is Urdu word and as I am fluent in this language so it came to me naturally.I deliberately don't use Urdu words in my analysis as so many ppl don't know these or never heard of these.my POV
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ..Anita..

EPISODE 55!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The episode starts off with nani yelling at la for not taking a shower and how she lied to her...this is the second time la has lied to nani...honestly no one likes a liar...i feel like she is not trying hard enough to impress nani...if she was she would not keep doing the same mistake over and over again...nani said her parents did not give her any sanskaar, which i agree with, la is hearing this and is rolling her eyes...she gets so fed up that she walk away...nani gets so mad that she does not even do the pooja. anjali tries to console nani but shyam stops her and said that nani's anger is justified...and i agree with him...Everyone leaves one by one...and akash said what is happening is wrong...and mama turns around and said do not fall in love and have a love marriage and walks away...only akash is left and his face is saying what should i do now

Khushi and payal are going to hotels after hotels to show their mithais...but they keep getting rejected...payal was feeling disheartened but khushi kept fighting saying there are more places left. THe last place they went rejected them as well but as they are leaving arnav calls and asks the manager for lucknow sweets...little did the manager know that their mithai man is gone for a month and agree for the order...khushi hears this and said that she makes lucknow sweets and the guy had to give in and said she will get paid after the assignment and if only the sweet is good...payal did not want to take the deal but khushi did thinking nothing will go wrong...Khushi got the order...little does she know she is working for the laad governor again...what does devi maiya have plan for these two.

khushi and payal are trying to get money, and they fall short...bua ji gives her gold bangles for them to sell...khushi feels bad and bua ji said you can pay me back after you help your dad...it was an emotional scene...Shyam comes back and said that he was worried that they left...shyam gives khushi new utensils to start the business and bua ji is looking at these two, thinking they are perfect...in the kitchen shyam is helping khushi and payal notices them and smiles too...oil was about to burst and shyam grabs her hand and notices that she has a cut...khushi said that this is not from you but from someone else...obviously arnav

in arnav's room, la comes in to complace about nani...arnav was not listening because he was busy preparing for the party...la was excited for the party and she thought the raizadas are boring...she asked to put a champagne fountain but arnav said the family does not drink...la looks sad...she then starts talking about what she will wear...and arnav is on the phone...then she said that she will wear the sari khushi wore (i am shocked to know that is a bridal sari..it was to simple) and arnav immediately stops and listens...and starts thinking of khushi...he tells la to wear whatever she wants...la leaves...and arnav opens the cupboards and looks at khushi's pearls which he kept in a little box (how sweet is that) he takes the box and takes the pearls in his hand...he starts thinking of khushi again...he gets mad and throws the pearls...he is mad because he is constantly thinking of her and he is not that weak to have emotions and let one girl constantly evade his mind...the episode ends

Lovely!
Loved the lines in red.
Yeah bridal saree is so simple! Chindi chore CVS! Gosh they never gave Khushi a nice outfit to wear. I expected at least they would give Khushi some classy outfits after the remarriage! Stingy CVs! But Khushi sure was ravishing in that red saree!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758

Disclaimer:I would like to acknowledge that all my translations have been found on You Tube Videos translated by Alexa. All credit of translation and my interpretation of her work is acknowledged. All work I consider to be my own with the help of the translation. If work is used please credit. Thank you all for reading!

Episode 55

I Will Not Lose!

"Lavanya Kashyup! How dare you enter the temple without bathing? Didn't I tell you last night? What did you think I would not find out? You don't care what I say! I knew you would be late, a person must know faith. Who taught you? After lying you have showed me your true colors! I'm not just angry but I am ashamed!" Lavanya's response is "Oh God." And she runs away. "Have you seen? Have you seen?" she asks everyone else. "Today I feel very bad and will not be able to do pooja." She leaves, on her mind she may be saying 'I will not lose my grandson to this woman!' Anjali wants to go to her and Shyam stops her; he tells her to leave her alone for a while she has every reason to be upset, what Lavanya did was not good. We will talk about it later. He has to go to "work" and if he didn't have to go he would always be by her side. Liar, I hope you lose'.everything. Mami says Nani is up one and Lavanya is down one. She asks Anjali can we eat now. Mami is always hungry just like Kushi! Mamaji tells his son to listen to him and never marry for love. He thinks you can't lose that way!

Kushi and Payal go to all the hotel sweet shops and even with their cute dialogue they were rejected, turned away, empty handed of orders.

ASR is on the phone making arrangements for a party. La bursts in saying,"ASR you won't believe what just happened in the temple." He lets her know he doesn't have time to deal with her. He has one day to make all the arrangements for his sister's anniversary party. Lavanya's eyes light up, now you're talking her style! It's about time something happens in the house she can relate to. She has waited so long, (I thought she just got there), and she wants to know if he made arrangements for the champagne fountain. ASR reminds her that the Raizada house does not consume alcohol, so no, there will be no champagne. "Oh, it's okay, no problem. What should I wear? Should I wear that red saree from the bridal collection? You know the one Chamkilli wore at the photo shoot." He stops, images of Kushi in the saree flowing through his mind. She looks beautiful, oh those innocent eyes, her hair loose and flowing, simply breathtaking. He gets annoyed. "Enough, Lavanya, from now on I don't want to hear her name!" "ASR'." (ASR's thoughts at this moment: I will not lose my sanity, my self, my mind, my heart to THAT girl!)

Kushi and Payal are in another hotel shop and they once again are being rejected. As they are walking away the manager receives a phone call from someone who wants sweets for 200 from Lucknow. He says he will have them there and his assistant is signing to him NO, NO. He hangs up and the assistant says his supplier from Lucknow will not be available to fill orders until next month. Kushi overhears and turns back telling him that she is from Lucknow taste her sweets, go ahead taste them. He does and they love them. He hires her for the job for tomorrow night. His phone rings again and he tells his customer that all will be well. He has original Lucknow sweets that are delicious and will be ready for his party for tomorrow. He ordered extra jalebi too! He can't lose!

Kushi and Payal are trying to figure out their finances and supplies. All they have is 1000 rupees and very little time to prepare their sweets. Kushi says to her sister not to lose confidence. They will make the sweets, everyone will love them and they will receive more orders. Buaji comes and hands Kushi her bangles and says to take them to the pawn shop. Kushi starts crying and Buaji says look it started again, tears, we are not selling we are just giving them to the pawn shop. We will get them back after we pay our debts and make a profit. They hug. It is time to begin; they have nothing to lose only to gain!

After they have bought their supplies, they are making sure they have everything and now they can begin. She says to Payal the only thing missing is your smile! Yes, ladies it is very important that when you are baking that you have your whole heart, soul and smile involved while preparing! Shyam comes and everyone is happy to see him. He has brought gifts to help with the baking. How did you know we are baking, oh she looks at the utensil in her hand and he points to the flour on her face. Kushi tells him they have a very large order due tomorrow. He has come to help he says. Buaji is watching the two and takes blessings. Everybody is preparing the sweets and Shyam grabs Kushi's hand that was near the hot oil. He apologises. Why do you apologise? She looks at her wound on her wrist someone else is at fault. It is Arnav Singh Raizada's fault. Every thing happens because of that Rakshas ASR. All the problems Payal says it is because of her, they had to mortgage the house for the wedding and Kushi says no it was ASR, the Rakshas fault. Right, Shyamji? Ofcourse, he says, but in his mind he says he doesn't know what to do he can't give reasons to either Anjali or Kushi. He is going to lose either way.

ASR opens his closet and in there he sees a tiny box. It contains the pearls from Kushi's dori. He looks at them, reverently he takes the box and places it in his hands. He views the images in his mind of what he did to her. He gets angry, throws the pearls and thinks in his mind, "I am not so weak to always be thinking about that girl. She haunts my mind like a ghost. I WILL NOT LOSE! Feelings and emotions have no place in my life and I will not let you enter into my life or get under my skin! Now you are a part of my past. Kushi Kumari Gupta is only a name to me now!"

Arnav Singh Raizada you have already lost yourself to one Kushi Kumari Gupta, got that. You can say 'I will not lose' as much as you want; you have been defeated by the young, naieve, middle class girl from Lucknow!😆

PS Happy Valentine's Day!



ha ha, how you have lost, mr raizada. lovely one cynthia. especially the advice on baking. very nice: i'll not lose. the word "reverently" so fitting in that sentence., the man is so far gone, his heart acts before his head can do or say anything. his instinct just calls out to this strange young woman, his intellect struggles with it. me likee. enjoyed your thoughts on this classic tension.

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