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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: ranjitha



yes THINKING is out of fashion, especially in soap-land. Khushi has noe truly become the perfect SP bahu. Her entire family supports her, she never does anything wrong, and if somebody questions her noble intentions, they should be ready to face the wrath of the audience... how typical this show has become 😆

Its not just the story, but direction also has become second grade these days. The characters have sort of pledged to be OTT all the time... the show has become too loud and one person who believed in 'subtle' touch is being cornered for the sake of 'DIKRA'GIRI 😆

AD calling dii.. will get back if time permits.
I always love the way you put up your thoughts in a meaningful and dignified way 👏


Since this is a discussion/debate wud jus like to say..Khushi has not BECOME a perfect bahu..but she was always like this...from the beginning Arnavs nani and di liked her...that's why she was brought in t train lavanya...they always looked t he to change Asr and make him do things he did not want to..like coming down for poojas...
One thng has been consistent..the family attitude...whenever Arnav says he doesn't want anything fr himself they just agree saying they don want to anger him..but they do what they want when it comes to ther lives even if he doesn't agree..so he s looking to Khushi to change everyone's attitude here..not jus his..

But..in yesterday's scenes why was he sad that family did not wish him they said he got angry when they did..that confused me..
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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: nebuna


indi di
i feel it was not funny
February wedding discussions on so will add my view on that
somewhere kushi married ASR only because it was ASR
if it was any other person she would have married
for her sisters life but she would have exposed him
when the whole family questioned them
she did nt because she did nt want him in bad books

they married for their own reasons
but kushi could nt gather her feelings
because of his behavior


indi please dont feel that i am trying to argue




love that comment, nebuna.

don't really want to discuss feb wedding here much since it will fill volumes 😳. but yes, in bold, absolutely true. he also married her for his own reasons not only because he wanted to save his sister. he will realise that some day and say it (i hope).

had it been another girl would he have married her? or as you say wouldn't she have exposed another guy in the same situation of misunderstanding? you are so right, they both couldn't "gather their feelings" (how well you put that). he because of what he saw and presumed, she because of his behaviour.

a poignant state in the lives of two deep lovers. below all the storm and thunder and rage of the wedding was this poignancy. which is why perhaps i said, funnily right. but point noted, m'lord, nothing funny about it. maybe i didn't read you right but this was what your words evoked in me.

please argue, only then we get to better understanding. thank you. i loved your post.

request: let's not discuss feb wedding here any more. another thread. when we all have lots of time. what say.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: Jusad

I am sorry but i dont agree with you that she is trying to change him.

I think she is just trying to make him accept the fact which he has always tried to deny.
He has been always like this , loved Khushi but could not accept,wanted to hug her back in hospital but could not do it,felt bad when she got hurt- wanted to say sorry but again could not (not unless he came to know abt her being orphan), wanted to confess his love but could not ..

so many times wanted but could not. THis is the same scenario wants to be wished, but cannot accept it.What is wrong if Khushi is making him realize his inner feelings, what is wrong if she wants to make him confess that yes I want to be wished by my wife.I can relate with ASR because I actually know people like him, they give all the necessary clues but not accept the fact that yes this is what I want.

He is ASR because he wants Arnav to be hidden from the world, he wants to be strong to protect his family but this does not mean Arnav is non-existant.This is ASR here, he wouldnt have understood if she tried to convince him , well she kinda tried but he didnt agree.So she had to make him understand the only he can - go to extremes.

P.S:Did not like the measurment scene but after office debacle no more expectations from Khushi.



literally she was teasing him
teasing is also part of love
everyone discussing about arnav changing for kushi
she never asked him to change
he s been really rude to her
so now he s making up things with her
expressing his love in actions
ASR is a man of actions and not words
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: prettypri


Since this is a discussion/debate wud jus like to say..Khushi has not BECOME a perfect bahu..but she was always like this...from the beginning Arnavs nani and di liked her...that's why she was brought in t train lavanya...they always looked t he to change Asr and make him do things he did not want to..like coming down for poojas...
One thng has been consistent..the family attitude...whenever Arnav says he doesn't want anything fr himself they just agree saying they don want to anger him..but they do what they want when it comes to ther lives even if he doesn't agree..so he s looking to Khushi to change everyone's attitude here..not jus his..

But..in yesterday's scenes why was he sad that family did not wish him they said he got angry when they did..that confused me..




I am sorry, guess you didnt understand my point. She being loved by her family doesnt make her a SP bahu. A SP bahu is somebody who thinks about husband's family more than her husband; who involves the entire family in even the slightest decision of whether she should wear red or black sandals that day; who feels it is a shame to show desire and should always make her husband run behind her for a puchak and when she has no other choice, should she kiss him. This is the definition of SP bahu

Khushi is being the same and the perfect example of this was the cinema track !!! You know how his family see; they either over do it or plainly ignore it... ASR never expected (not even now) a grand party... he doesnt like being in the limelight but a heartfelt wish from a family member will not be plainly ignored by anybody... With Khushi, he has always been different... even if she had forced him to cut a cake, he would, but her reverse pshychlogy was not to make him happy, but to make him accept that 'HE NEEDS TO CELEBRATE HIS BDAY EVEN IF HE DOESNT LIKE IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KHUSHI AND HIS FAMILY'

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Posted: 12 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: ranjitha




I am sorry, guess you didnt understand my point. She being loved by her family doesnt make her a SP bahu. A SP bahu is somebody who thinks about husband's family more than her husband; who involves the entire family in even the slightest decision of whether she should wear red or black sandals that day; who feels it is a shame to show desire and should always make her husband run behind her for a puchak and when she has no other choice, should she kiss him. This is the definition of SP bahu

Khushi is being the same and the perfect example of this was the cinema track !!! You know how his family see; they either over do it or plainly ignore it... ASR never expected (not even now) a grand party... he doesnt like being in the limelight but a heartfelt wish from a family member will not be plainly ignored by anybody... With Khushi, he has always been different... even if she had forced him to cut a cake, he would, but her reverse pshychlogy was not to make him happy, but to make him accept that 'HE NEEDS TO CELEBRATE HIS BDAY EVEN IF HE DOESNT LIKE IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KHUSHI AND HIS FAMILY'


Ranjitha, spot on post.

This has always been the case remember when ASR cancelled the sangeet during Payash wedding and when he threw a pre wedding party for them.

He was forced to change his opinion and tastes according to Khushi's tastes.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: prettypri


Yeah the other thing actually is how does she know he will agree in the end to a celebration??
Reading the posts here got me thinking frm another POV..let me confess..so if she understood that he wanted all the attention then she could have brought thaout without hurting him...but did he want attention only from her or from family also now that she s in his life?? He felt bad no one wished him..

Did she understand that he wanted HER to make his day special??? She did say that as his wfe she should do so...but famil again said he would scold her..sme problem in the writing definitely..too many contradictions...


hey, prettypri,

thanks for considering another pov. we might all be off the mark here, but we all love the show and we try. what😆. the khushi we knew so well would not manipulate him. of this i think i am quite sure. she might do as she pleases and give him a big gift or a major surpiiise bash. note, he pretty much expects that, because he knows her, he knows if she has decided, she'll do it and certainly for him, even if he says no. and he accepts her. but she wouldn't see him unhappy on his bday for even one instant. she'd find a better way. my feeling. i could be awfully badly wrong.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: indi52


love that comment, nebuna.

don't really want to discuss feb wedding here much since it will fill volumes 😳. but yes, in bold, absolutely true. he also married her for his own reasons not only because he wanted to save his sister. he will realise that some day and say it (i hope).

had it been another girl would he have married her? or as you say wouldn't she have exposed another guy in the same situation of misunderstanding? you are so right, they both couldn't "gather their feelings" (how well you put that). he because of what he saw and presumed, she because of his behaviour.

a poignant state in the lives of two deep lovers. below all the storm and thunder and rage of the wedding was this poignancy. which is why perhaps i said, funnily right. but point noted, m'lord, nothing funny about it. maybe i didn't read you right but this was what your words evoked in me.

please argue, only then we get to better understanding. thank you. i loved your post.

request: let's not discuss feb wedding here any more. another thread. when we all have lots of time. what say.



di
bold please don t use such heavy words on me please
your marriage years ( read that in rushri post)
is my real life age
you have much more mature thoughts
i did nt want to bring up feb wedding here
but read many replies over that
so i just could nt hold on
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Posted: 12 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: ranjitha




I am sorry, guess you didnt understand my point. She being loved by her family doesnt make her a SP bahu. A SP bahu is somebody who thinks about husband's family more than her husband; who involves the entire family in even the slightest decision of whether she should wear red or black sandals that day; who feels it is a shame to show desire and should always make her husband run behind her for a puchak and when she has no other choice, should she kiss him. This is the definition of SP bahu

Khushi is being the same and the perfect example of this was the cinema track !!! You know how his family see; they either over do it or plainly ignore it... ASR never expected (not even now) a grand party... he doesnt like being in the limelight but a heartfelt wish from a family member will not be plainly ignored by anybody... With Khushi, he has always been different... even if she had forced him to cut a cake, he would, but her reverse pshychlogy was not to make him happy, but to make him accept that 'HE NEEDS TO CELEBRATE HIS BDAY EVEN IF HE DOESNT LIKE IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KHUSHI AND HIS FAMILY'


Ok...gt you...but let's see what she actuall does..

And regarding loving husbands family more than him...ASR thought abt his di more than hs life too...so he s also a perfect SP pati right??
He also concentrated on Shyams ouster and nt on his married life...why blame Khushi alone??
And it was clearly told to Khushi tha he doesn't like beng wished...wasn't it...that's what I got...why did the entire family agree to her plan so easily?? They all hurt him that way...
Lavanya had told her he doesn't wish anyone remember?? And Akash also told NK the same..

Nw Khushi by herself doesn't know explicitly he wants a private celeb with her..she doesn't think that way...she is trying to include everyone bcos they all told her that they wan to celebrate but he doesn't let them...see what Anjali said...

And khush said for her bdays are about inclusiveness...s if Arnav had told her he want a celeb with her alone and then she tried t convince him for a grand celeb that's wrong...but he said he doesn't want anything explicitly t her...then how would she know??
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Posted: 12 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: indi52



interestingly, i have never heard asr ask khushi to change anything about herself. not her clothes, not her ways, nothing. just once during her catering days after she'd stormed his office, he'd asked a bit hurt: didn't you think of my image even once. and after that, he told her: kuch dhang ka karo. that's all. not once did he say: you don't need to work, you're a rich man's wife, wear better clothes, recast yourself for me. i loved him for that.

live and let live. as long as the essentials are in place, let each partner be and breathe and have the right to be who they are.

is there any reason to make asr believe in birthday celebration the way i or you do? all he wants is his magic girl's wishes and her love, she lights up his day. can't she feel that? does she have to change him, play games and hurt him so much on his birthday? she really doesn't get it that in the game of making asr who you want him to be he is getting hurt ? pity. the khushi i know would have sensed that.

i remember him on her birthday. how hard he tried, how much she spurned him, yet he didn't give up. i cried for him when his rose was not accepted. often i remember him standing on the stairs watching a girl jump with glee holding two silver coins in her hands.

i hear him say "i don't need anything else." i see him cover her head with his hand so she doesn't get hurt even at a point when he thinks he hates her, i see him walking in with gol gappa because she likes it and she's stressed though he believes she is having an affair with shyam, i hear her ask him "why does it feel this way? why does her breath quicken when she thinks of him?" his answer will be with me forever.

i have grown to love this character called asr as he is, with his flaws. i also believe the things that need to change he will, now that love has enveloped his heart him and he is stronger. but i don't really need him to change the way he feels about his birthday. not right now. maybe that will also come in time. i wouldn't manipulate him for that. or anything else.

if everything about him must be changed then will he remain asr?

he is not just about barun sobti's devastating good looks and style. there is an asr and we all know him. otherwise we wouldn't be here.





This this this was the only thing in my mind when i wtched the show yesterday. You mirrored my thoughts.
Neither is Kushi nor is Arnav perfect, they are both flawed characters then why is the change shown only in Arnav?? why is it all about him changing in each and every step.

A small wish by her would have made it more beautiful to me than the plans and hurting him to get her way of celebrating things. Why her way?? Dint Arnav bend down to her way of celebration for her, he did everything possible to make her happy on her bday, his way wasnt appreciated by her, so he went down to her way and thought for her and tried doing things that would make her happy.
Why is it that i dont see such initiations from Kushi?? Its either MY way or HIGHWAY!!
why is it that Arnav doesnt want Kusi to change and accepts her with all her brattiness, childishness, weirdness and why should Arnav change himself in each and every step.
Why cant some simple subtle things be done from her side for him?? It has to be either complete OTT that atleast i do not appreciate or a my way or highway act, this is what i want and take it , you need to bow down to this.

Finally i found a sensible post and which exactly mirrored my thoughts. Beautifully put up if i may say...

Its my earnest request to writers, when u make arnav say and act that he accepts her the way she is and doesnt even expect her to change, and does so many sibtle heart touching things for her, why cant we see the same from her??
I need to watch something subtle from a wife to her husband. I wanto see a subtle mature Kushi with her husband, i might be in the minority but the last 2 days and her OTTness is beyond my liking.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just one question...if the were to show Arnav as unchanged and Khushi as mature and understanding all the time what story line woud they have?? And wha woud be the role of the othe characters?as it is they d not have tha much t do...if the stick to those characterisations wth the curren situation of them being married then what would they show?? Why woud they fight/make up if everything was resolved??

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