The Apology -- Did it Hit the Mark? - Page 9

Originally posted by: meeyaa

In my opinion, the 2 apologies cannot be compared with each other...if they can be, then there would be no growth in the character of ASR or their relation at all...

the fact that he wanted to apologise and came running late night and didnt have to practice that sorry itself shows how this man has changed...

the fact that he recounted every incident which he had hurt her ...before her... saying he was wrong... shows how deeply he is feeling guilty...and is so sincere about it...thank god...he didnt shout now as he did in the gazebo...today's scene showed truly how changed he is compared to then...

today raw passion and sexual tension gave way to something very deep...a feeling of heart wrecking pain due to the realization of how much he has wronged this lady...he was in a miserable state and wanted to just tell her sorry...and he did that welll...and when she forgave him...he instantly lightened...as if a very big burden was taken off his shoulders...the burden of having given pain to the one he claims to love.. had she not forgiven him...he would have doubted if he really loved her at all...but she restored his confidence in himself that his love has also been conveyed to her and she gives that more importance than these hurtful incidents...by her forgiving instantly ...and reminding him of his love for her...she prevented him to fall into the hell of guilt, self-doubt and loss of confidence...and he will ever so greatfully remember this...the real trust these 2 have on each other got communicated to each other...i cant ask for anything more...passion will come if they look at each other with love even for a moment...but this moment he was a man in desparate need of a word of consolation that he is forgiven for his wrong doings...and khushi was the lady who saw through all the hurt at his love and gave him the forgivance...

in lamhon ke daaman mein...paakeezah se rishte hain...thats what is was...

and the hug was a thank-you-so-so-so-much-for-understanding-and-still-loving-such-a-bad-me hug and not a i-love-you-lets-make-love hug !

am not saying the direction and screenplay was at its best...but i would not have wanted the tone and ambience to be anything else than this...

Originally posted by: chaitra2011

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Hello Maverick,

The simple answer to your question is poor direction and the story writing having gone for a toss. The writers have given their brains a long vacation and said bye bye to sensible portrayal of scenes. It is no wonder that once upon a time, when LM was directing IPK, we had only positives to speak about with very less criticism dished out. Now the latter is on the rise thanks to the direction. You cannot feel a sense of belonging completely to that person's pain or remorse. It is incomplete.

When ASR said sorry to her for the first time, the sequence of actions that followed were what made it more beautiful following the actual apology. CV's after marriage have lost it.

Sometimes i do wonder does it have anything to do with the awards? Has it gone into their head? Have they taken the audience for granted? Doesn't the trp's indicate that the quality has gone down several notches lower?

Well Maverick, there is no sequence. The way you have jotted down the way the first apology happened, the audience were shown what his exact feelings were, how he realized them, how he started working on them and ultimately how he delivered that apology.

At this point, Dadi wasn't needed for the re-marriage at all. After the kidnap track ended, in fact after he blamed her being the reason for their unhappiness, the tempo could have been raised where an unyielding Khushi could have paved way for that deep regret Arnav goes through. Arnav should not want or have a reason to apologize. It should have been his realization right from the time the kidnap track ended. And the re-marriage track could have started there onwards where Arnav wins over Khushi and re-marries her again. The cv's should have handled this beautifully.

The writing and direction both aren't up to the mark Maverick. Though i felt happy that he apologized, as usual it lacked the intensity it should have elicited.

Only one thought comes to my mind right now - They have taken us completely for granted.

Originally posted by: meeyaa

In my opinion, the 2 apologies cannot be compared with each other...if they can be, then there would be no growth in the character of ASR or their relation at all...

First off, the comparison between the two is more about the "impact" of the scene not the actual event. So, the "impact" of the scene is measured by how much it moved you. We all felt insulted when he went after Khushi at the anniversary -- I screamed at the TV.

But when he went back and apologized, it actually made us feel sorry for "asking" for the apology because the guy truly understood that she screwed up!

the fact that he wanted to apologise and came running late night and didnt have to practice that sorry itself shows how this man has changed...

Agree, the man has changed -- he was running after her like a puppy dog. We liked watching that. We wanted it to build up to the apology. But instead it was diluted first by a ton of Dadi Mania. Then when it came to his true realization it was may be 6 mins of footage -- so there is no time for us to like/dislike or anything -- if it had hit the mark like the previous one, we would have felt sorry for him!!!

the fact that he recounted every incident which he had hurt her ...before her... saying he was wrong... shows how deeply he is feeling guilty...and is so sincere about it...thank god...he didnt shout now as he did in the gazebo...today's scene showed truly how changed he is compared to then...

I made my first post ever on this topic -- I went against the grain and "professed" that the CVs were now going to show that he is wooing her because he is a changed man. Then they ruined that with that scene in the office -- public crap. Then they ruined it further when they made him take her home by cutting water and electricity.

Then they showed that "pearl necklace" scene, I jumped on the band wagon again hoping that the morons are now doing "symbolic action oriented apologies" but Poof again -- they brought in the UBER BITCH DADI. What we were left with was an sense of "incomplete realization". Then they suddenly jump and show that within 6 mins he "apologized" -- WHAT????

today raw passion and sexual tension gave way to something very deep...a feeling of heart wrecking pain due to the realization of how much he has wronged this lady...he was in a miserable state and wanted to just tell her sorry...and he did that welll...and when she forgave him...he instantly lightened...as if a very big burden was taken off his shoulders...the burden of having given pain to the one he claims to love.. had she not forgiven him...he would have doubted if he really loved her at all...but she restored his confidence in himself that his love has also been conveyed to her and she gives that more importance than these hurtful incidents...by her forgiving instantly ...and reminding him of his love for her...she prevented him to fall into the hell of guilt, self-doubt and loss of confidence...and he will ever so greatfully remember this...the real trust these 2 have on each other got communicated to each other...i cant ask for anything more...passion will come if they look at each other with love even for a moment...but this moment he was a man in desparate need of a word of consolation that he is forgiven for his wrong doings...and khushi was the lady who saw through all the hurt at his love and gave him the forgivance...

in lamhon ke daaman mein...paakeezah se rishte hain...thats what is was...

I wish it was as beautiful as you wrote it -- it was 3 mins of "I am sorry for whatever i did or thought, I dont know what it is, I just thought a few things hurt you -- I dont know why or how they hurt you but I am just saying Sorry".

The fundamental reason an apology works is because it is saying "I understand the way I hurt you in each of the instance and I promise not to repeat it" -- not just saying "sorry" take it.

The reason for the comparison was when he apologized at the gazebo, he showed how much it hurt him to say such things to her when he himself is an orphan and understands the pain of growing up without parents. That was the essence of the apology -- Beautifully written acted and filmed. NOtHING of the soft here -- he just said "i hurt you so I am sorry" -- no effort went into developing it.

and the hug was a thank-you-so-so-so-much-for-understanding-and-still-loving-such-a-bad-me hug and not a i-love-you-lets-make-love hug !

am not saying the direction and screenplay was at its best...but i would not have wanted the tone and ambience to be anything else than this...

Originally posted by: -Aimz-

If that was a question, I'm glad I have an answer to it.

"Why"- because we are not professionals, we are customers.

Originally posted by: Maverick29

Love You Back DAMNIT!!!

Yep the fundamental basis of the TRPs was the way each scene was shot and developed. The story was flowing great till they threw a monkey wrench and then didnt think it was important to keep the team together either!

You put a green horn into directing a successful show and then ask "why are the TRPs not going up?" Hell the answers are right in front of you. It does not take a "rocket scientist" to figure out what they screwed up on -- too many distracting tracks leaving "what worked for them" aside.

Any coach in any field will tell you -- Dont screw with what is working for you -- it will kill everything you have.

They dont seem to have gotten this advice.

Cheers.

Originally posted by: samster03

I agree with you completely...they started the redemption track in yesterday's episode and finished it within few mins..!!! What the..!!! I really dont understand what the cv's are trying to do..that explains the reason behind the low trp rates for the past 2 weeks..and how many ppl do they think are following our show daily among trp audience..(not us ) probably most of the audience wont even realise or know that the magic called redemption happened in ipkknd in few mintues..!

Originally posted by: dpotnis

They had two trump cards, epic moments of this show people were waiting for, since a year

a. ASRs ILU confession

b. ASR's apology for all the torture he inflicted on Khushi

The second ILU was much better than the first one. Whereas the first one should have been like a vintage IPK scene. ASRs regret and apology were too short to make an impact. It was as if they decided at the last moment to pacify those who were demanding a repentance.

And we said "Chalo atleast kuch toh dikhaya".

Now even if they show a full blown regret as GUL promised I doubt if it will have the impact.

Originally posted by: bangles

There is no pleasing some people!

On popular demand, you are now getting the remarriage and the redemption inclusive of an apology.

Not everything is always going to fit our expectations exactly the way we want it.

If this fact of life is so hard to live with, then why don't you join the creative team and write scripts that hit the mark? 😉