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Posted: 13 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: zoharocks

i dont agree...man after all the moments they have shared this apology was not meant to be really hi-fi...the first apology case was the first one and because at that time they weren't that close didn't know each other this well he had to make it perfect...but this time he knew that a simple one would do because now khushi understands him better, feels for him better and now that the remarriage track is coming why are we still cribbing...lets just wait and watch because we all actually have always got more than expected...luv arhi luv sarun...👍🏼 the cvs


I respectfully disagree with you. The fact that now they ARE "close" should be the reason why that apology must have had the beauty, the IMPACT we were craving for. At the time of the Gazebo scene, Khushi was for ASR just a girl working in his house (let's overlook the building attraction between them), a girl he would soon part ways with in the near future, a girl not even close to as important as the "most important people" in his life. Coming to the present, it's just the opposite. Wouldn't you give a more heartfelt apology to your loved one rather than a stranger? Ever wondered why? It's because your heart is connected to theirs in some way, and you don't want the connection to have any loose threads.

@bold: Oh yes. It wasn't meant to be hi-fi, this much we all are aware of. It was meant to be a hello-hi-bye-bye one.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#72
Agree with you...I dont expect more...but this one surprised me too.....I feel IPK team doesnt bother abt nething...hw ppl expect trp will b high?...I dont expect "HAIR CUT" ..."INTENSE HUG"..."BABY BUMP"..."GROOMING SOBTI"...those things r beyond expectations...😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: RamnVij

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Even though this reaction went entirely on anticipated lines...and I really feel rather tired of this kind of reply..

I will try to put in my thoughts here:

We, the serial viewers, are the consumers of the product/ service the production team is putting up. If it does not meet our expectations, we have a right to point out where it falls short!

Say, tomorrow, you apply for a credit card. Or a home loan. Or a 2 wheeler. Or a car. Or any of the thousands of other products/ services that are manufactured or provided in our economy.

If you are not satisfied as a consumer, what do you do? Do you say- "Gosh! The company that makes this product is doing such a hard job trying to make it! So what if they fall short of what they promised initially, or what I expected? I shouldn't vent, or let them know how I feel. Let them just do their job, and I shall accept their effort, sub standard as it may be. I should not complain, because I am not part of the manufacturing team!!"

Do you see yourself doing that? No? Then why expect similar behavior from consumers of the serial?

If you like the redemption track/ romance track, that is your right. I would never argue with your entitlement to have your own opinion. But please don't dispute other's right to what they feel, either.

If you don't agree with the subject of the thread, why not make a post detailing what were your takeaways from the scene and how you differ from the opinion on the other posts? Refer the post by meeyaa a little earlier in the thread- I really liked the post, though I didn't agree with it. Why not try some logic, reasoning, details and facts to prove your point?

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I totally agree with your sentiments about every one feeling free to express their views.
l also agree with you views re: consumer choice etc., Even so, we are still limited in our choices by what is available. If we want something over and above the multitude of options available, then tough! Or else, make your own!
FYI, I was never one of those who constantly harped on about remarriage or redemption.
My point also is that the CVs finally succumbed to popular demand for the 2 Rs and it appears that they inserted a track of apology seeking- which clearly did not hit the mark for some as they forgot to send a script along with the demand! 😉
The moral of the story : let the CVS do their job at their own pace; when CVs try to do things or introduce tracks against their better judgement it is probably not going to hit the mark! It is never going to make some people happy despite their demands being fulfilled!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: RamnVij

You're so right Maverick- and the issue is, sadly, all those who feel the remorse scene was 'underdone' will now be labelled as 'bashers' and 'people who can never be happy'.


All I would like to tell the Creatives is this: With this scene, you've made it amply clear, that you just penciled it in after seeing the extent of outrage over the crappy "ASR's unique redemption in his own way" track. But since you anyway decided to do a belated damage control, why did you not give the scene the emotional heft and importance it deserved?

Look at some of the powerful FFs on this forum which are based partly on the show, but have Arnav realizing the enormity of his misdeeds. He doesn't turn into a sniveling, groveling Devdas to express his contrition. But still, there is a powerful, heartfelt sense of redemption and remorse in his realization.

If fans who pursue other occupations as their main calling, could come up with such gems, why couldn't the professional script and screenplay writers? Fine, the TV serial format means that they have to stretch the story for more melodrama; but at the end of the day, they're dealing with human emotions and couple/ family dynamics, right? Why portray something so unrealistically?

I'm thankful that at least they put in those 3 minutes worth of an apology..they managed to belatedly stem the feeling, that ASR was nothing more than a delusional jerk with the emotional maturity of a toddler! But my personal opinion is, that this still ain't redemption enough...Won't be, unless Arnav comes fully clean to both the families as to why and how he forced Khushi into the sham marriage in the first place.

I agree that it was anyway in Khushi's nature to forgive him so soon. That's the way she's been shown from the start, that she doesn't hold grudges. But definitely, I would have liked her to verbalize that Yes, He hurt her horribly with his lack of trust in her, and in future, she hopes that he would never misunderstand her. That she would expect him to ask her for her side of the story before jumping to conclusions. In my opinion, this would have lent some more depth to the scene.

On a slightly sadistic note- Khushi got slapped twice owing to Arnav's actions- shouldn't Arnav get slapped twice to even the score? (Perhaps Nani and Anjali could have a go, one each- or maybe Nani and Buaji??) 😉 This last para is meant as a joke people, so don't attack me!


Let me start with this -- LOVE THE SLAPPING IDEA -- while they are at it (I want Buaji's Dhai Kilo Haath to do the honors), they should explain "how to treat people" a course meant for "jerks like ASR".

See Khushi has been developed as a traditional character. In our tradition it is taught that the one that is asked for forgiveness will be petty if they dont give it. So, no matter what, she would forgive him. But isnt this BRAINIAC (forget Harvard -- a whole bunch of morons end up there every year) -- this guy is supposed to be a genius and he tells Khushi that. Say he is incapable of feeling for her -- why cant he think? How would a person feel if they are not really at fault for an action and is being constantly blamed for it? Just think -- Khushi was not responsible for that marriage -- why not ANNOUNCE to everyone that he is???? This guy is supposed to be BRAVE aint it?

I dont understand the logic behind that crap at all.

So, this apology should have actually included the apology for "NOT TELLING EVERYONE THE TRUTH"!!!

What about that problem??? Picturization is crap, the logic is crap -- I dont know why there isnt more attention paid to this stuff?

Glad to hear from you!

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: awahnee

This Di bhoot has again hit the cvs. 'i think since the past is related to garima and not khushi I just hope once past is revealed khushi is not sidelined and they again show the siblings feelings. srsly they need to know ther is already a sibling show we dont need another one.


LOL! The Di Bhoot is catching on.

I agree that changing this from "iss pyar ko kya naam doon" to Dikisaut or whatever else they have in mind is going to prove costly!

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: kookie2020


Harshu , I am done with my phangirling and now I am back to business and ready to do what I do best.
Lets all join forces and slap him.
We all are sadists I guess .


I have a "panch kilo ka haath" if you need help in slapping the little guy please let me know!

Cheers.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: Maverick29


I have a "panch kilo ka haath" if you need help in slapping the little guy please let me know!

Cheers.


Abbeyaar! Daadiji is enough naa. After all that apt advertisement of her hand, I think it's worth a try.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: RamnVij


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On a slightly sadistic note- Khushi got slapped twice owing to Arnav's actions- shouldn't Arnav get slapped twice to even the score? (Perhaps Nani and Anjali could have a go, one each- or maybe Nani and Buaji??) 😉 This last para is meant as a joke people, so don't attack me!



Ok now I having another more sadistic wish ( I will b crashed like hell) ..
Someway Khushi also can give him a tight slap.. in some situation.. whatever..

no may b it would b too much.. ( i myself will fall) ..
but i want khushi's all sacrifices to come out as soon as possible..
I want to see a situation where every member of the family can tell arnav " How could you do that?"
just one full episode .. he should experience what it feels being khushi ..

specially payel-akash-mami they should know and akash should scold arnav for that..
and of-course shaym' truth .. ( when it will happen God knows)..
My next slogan will be restoration of khushi's dignity to full form..
until then I will bad mouth the CVs...😆


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Let me start with this -- LOVE THE SLAPPING IDEA -- while they are at it (I want Buaji's Dhai Kilo Haath to do the honors), they should explain "how to treat people" a course meant for "jerks like ASR".

See Khushi has been developed as a traditional character. In our tradition it is taught that the one that is asked for forgiveness will be petty if they dont give it. So, no matter what, she would forgive him. But isnt this BRAINIAC (forget Harvard -- a whole bunch of morons end up there every year) -- this guy is supposed to be a genius and he tells Khushi that. Say he is incapable of feeling for her -- why cant he think? How would a person feel if they are not really at fault for an action and is being constantly blamed for it? Just think -- Khushi was not responsible for that marriage -- why not ANNOUNCE to everyone that he is???? This guy is supposed to be BRAVE aint it?

I dont understand the logic behind that crap at all.

So, this apology should have actually included the apology for "NOT TELLING EVERYONE THE TRUTH"!!!

What about that problem??? Picturization is crap, the logic is crap -- I dont know why there isnt more attention paid to this stuff?

Glad to hear from you!

Cheers.

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Maverick- Aapke ke Muh Me Ghee Shakkar!

I had coincidentally posted a similar sentiment on my thread:


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You're absolutely right, it is unbelievable that Arnav would not come clean about his responsibility for forcing the 'marriage' on Khushi. Especially, after his realization of his deep love for Khushi, and the start (however lukewarm) of the genuine remorse track.

The Only explanation for this is, that the CVs want one more huge, melodramatic moment, possibly for a Mahaepisode, where Arnav will 'reveal all'. With the screenplay lurching so opportunistically, its no wonder that the continuity is lost...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maverick29


The main thing missing is the "Build up" -- when I talk about the previous apology, I didnt want this to repeat the process of actually spending time in front of the mirror practicing etc. What I meant was that the apology came after a consistent "buildup" -- so it went like this:

1. Realization of the mistake.
2. Formulation of the apology
3. Practice,
4. Then look for her
5. Run around looking for her showing that he wanted to do it fast and desperately
6. Then finding her and apologizing pretty aggressively and realizing his mistake and then apologizing properly in way that moved the girl

Through this whole process, the one thing that was constant was -- his realization of the problem. And the writing was good because they stretched the time in order to get him there. We waited for the conclusion and it was beautiful.

The problem with this current situation is, it is completely disjointed -- where did he start his journey of "realization"? Just a few mins before he went and apologized? That late? If he realized when he started wooing her the same day he understood the 6 month completion thing -- that continuity wasnt there.

Impact comes from making it happen over time the right way. We said it over and over again, the whole Sangeet and Marriage had the impact because of the "buildup" -- there was no buildup here. It was absolutely FLAT because of that.

So, the sequence is one thing like you said but maintaining the "tension" is the second thing.

Cheers.

I think the tension could have been weaved easily into the scenes where the wooing attempts were made and failed... Ideally she should have left... He goes to gh and apologizes and brings her back... I can't believe he wanted to have the suhaag Raat before the apology...they completely wasted the pearl gift scene...

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