The Apology -- Did it Hit the Mark? - Page 25

Originally posted by: RickyBahl

I agree, but that applies only to scenes, not tracks as many people think arshad is responsible for the track

Let me explain you why in this case we cant fully blame Arshad.

Point 1. In Film industry the story, screenplay is majorly written by the directors themselves. So they are called captain of the ship. Sometimes they produce or co produce their own movies depending on factors.

But TV industry format is totally different

In TV industry, the story, plot, scenes is finalised by the producer. This trend was initiated By Ekta Kapoor, Shobha Kapoor. They write concepts, fomalise stories and then they pick upa director to direct their story. But the main control is in the hands of Ekta Kapoor. I can bet hardly anyone remembers the name of director of their shows. But her serials are famous as Ekta serials coz she is the brain child of all those stories. Same trend was followed by others.Those who entered TV wanted to be Producers, Not directors. Even Gul n Nissar were directing for other production houses untill they opened own PH 4 lions with Gul. In TV industry, Producer is actually a director only who makes another person do their work in their behalf, while Producer cant go to sets to direct scenes daily so he/she looks the entire work from above and monitors it like Boss.

IN TV INDUSTRY PRODUCER IS CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP

Yes we can say Arshad Khan's directed scenes is not up to the mark. Agreed. We can say till that much. But we cant say that the track is bad, horrible due to Arshad, or its good due to lalit.

Because a director in TV is not allowed to interfere with the producer. The producer himself acts as director, Its just that the producer employs a man to direct. In reality a director in TV has no creative freedom . Still lalit managed to give his extra inputs because he is a senior in industry, He has worked with balaji in past too and gave them some hits too. He is independent director. Not a employee of 4 lion Films.

Even after writing a scene Gautam Hedge has to get that scene okayed from Gul , Nissar.

Honestly speaking a producer in TV do what they feel, they listen suggestions, but the final decision is theirs. Even if Gautam, lalit pressurise Gul for redemption, they wont do, Because producers will tell, its our concept, our show, and we will take ultimate decision.

This Format is being followed by Films also

Band baaja baarat was launched in market as Yash chopra film. Not a film directed by Maneesh sharma.

Same goes for Dirty Picture, People know it as EKTA KAPOOR movie bcoz she gave the concept and idea. The director Milan luthria didnt find much mention in media articles. All refer to that movie as ekta's movie.

Similarly what iam trying to say is that in TV, final calling is of producer.

Yes we can blame director for poor directed scenes lacking intensity or facial expressions, seriousness., Bloopers etc etc

But Director cant be blamed for the Track. its all the manmaani of Gul and her other 3 lions

Ok let me dig deep...
Does a Captain own the ship????
Does a Captain decide on what the to and fro destination is????

No he doesn't...

Why would any one blame the director for a shoddy track or a badly written script???
The director also works in between the lines... the term director itself denotes that he directs the crew and it is his responsiblity to get the right emotions extracted from the actors.

Large Producers decide the tracks but hardly visit the sets, just heard in a recent SBS segment that Ekta had visited the sets of his serial after a gap of a year to promote a film. So what we see is decided by the production house or the channel but how we feel about is left in the hands of the director along with the crew.

Why has Nissar quit directing IPK??? Because they are too busy to get into nitty-gritties of the show.

I don't blame Arshad for the track but for the scene as he could have done magic in the 5 Minutes allotted to the scene.

Originally posted by: Didikisaut

Ok let me dig deep...
Does a Captain own the ship????
Does a Captain decide on what the to and fro destination is????

No he doesn't...

Why would any one blame the director for a shoddy track or a badly written script???
The director also works in between the lines... the term director itself denotes that he directs the crew and it is his responsiblity to get the right emotions extracted from the actors.

Large Producers decide the tracks but hardly visit the sets, just heard in a recent SBS segment that Ekta had visited the sets of his serial after a gap of a year to promote a film. So what we see is decided by the production house or the channel but how we feel about is left in the hands of the director along with the crew.

Why has Nissar quit directing IPK??? Because they are too busy to get into nitty-gritties of the show.

I don't blame Arshad for the track but for the scene as he could have done magic in the 5 Minutes allotted to the scene.

Originally posted by: Maverick29

Just to butt in a bit, we are doing this whole thing on another thread I started today -- the response is no where what it was for this one. But Alibaba (Rima) and I were thinking that the best way to settle this is to just show the comparison -- just show what one did and then the other.

This argument is not going right when we say LM's absence is NOT a reason. The problem is when you are in creative meetings, a lot of times, one voice usually drives the direction.

LM was a part of the CV team -- they dont work in vacuum -- LM has serious input on how the "SCREENPLAY" goes and the tracks are created based on the direction the story needs to head

Dont forget the show did not lose its beauty despite the disgusting "blackmail marriage" we still enjoyed Khushi sitting in the temple and doing her thing running away from him and him showing that he is her "husband" to everyone. The Way Khushi won over people's hearts during Holi and the "dhadkane ek hojati hain" scene were all under LM.

There was just one Heer Ranjha after that which is worth a mention. So, in over 100 epis Arshad has 1 epi worth mentioning while every single scene in the first 185 had something unique about it with LM.

That is the difference.

Cheers.

Yes, a good director is the difference between a good or a OK scene and a great scene.
You echo my feelings totally, I didn't want to name Lalith alone as the show also had Nissar and one other director when the show started.

They need a good director asap

I so agree with all of you that these days watching IPK is not the same anymore, It just feels like a formality or in the hope that we might get something better today...the connection is lost (at least for me) ...Just to give myself a dose of IPK that i was so used to ,i have to watch old episodes and after watching them n number of times , i still love each and every scene and laugh/cry or rabbavey everytime when i watch it ...and sadly that makes the current track more pathetic than what actually it is.

Thankgod there is Youtube and i can watch old episodes and make myself happy again.

the writing is def to be blamed for wats happening in the past few months

I am all for it, Alibaba and Hooligan No. 1!! Go, do your thing! 😉

Originally posted by: Jameelah52

Anjali could have had logic if the CV's have had played fair with the character. Anywho anything is better than useless, sensless Rabba ve's 😉

Originally posted by: RickyBahl

Thankgod there is Youtube and i can watch old episodes and make myself happy again.

My heart lies there.

The last time i felt like giving a standing ovation was the scene of the holi episode .

As i can also count where Khushi Rubs forehead of arnav in Heer-Ranjha episode.

Dili bmey bali early morning scene , both sleeping together in the recliner, that magic...

I liked the moment when in kidnap scene Khushi tells arnav, iam smiling bcoz after a long time iam being scolded by you.

I thought Khushi would go jail for Sneaking in airports authority office to steal Video. The gate CCTV had captured her image.

And arnav crying madly for that.

Its 100 times better to do the same stuff then to venture into a territory that is uncertain.

Now Arnav has totally ventured into a peculiar territory.

He was telling Khushi that he doesnt believe in these rituals of exchanging ring.

But wasnt this engagement ring give him a big shock when khushi revealed him that she was engaged.

Arnav was monitoring PAYASH wedding himself from cocktail party to engagement, sangeet. So how come he suddenly becomes dumb that all wedding rituals look useless to him, especially when he knows its about Khushi's interest.

ARNAV had already mellowed down after he fell in love. And that shud have been utilised and shown that look love changes a person.

But now they are hell bent on showing arnav in love but with his own comfort zone rules n regulations.

But this self obsessed arnav was gone during PAYASH wedding. Todays arnav is not this

So inconsistency.

Originally posted by: Harshitha

i really differ here i do not mind senseless rabbaves if we get to escape the way they had showed Di, even now she seems a lil clingy to me

Dadi character seems a bit interesting as ASR is against Dadi supporting Khushi where ASR was trying to convince Di something which was damn odd there lies the difference