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Posted: 13 years ago
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🤗Sush,
Yes, it is one of those kind of days when the smiles just don't stop coming..😃
Great post and absolutely valid questions. And Khushi looked delectable...I was surprised he took it so slow and gentle 😆 No wonder his absolute bewilderment and annoyance at her reluctance.
*Sigh*
The trouble with me is that I can't take issue with either one of them and what they did and din't do today...Yes Khushi is the traditionalist, yet it is her who has been living with him for six months without the full-fledged wedding. and he calls her out on it..."what is wrong with you?"
And yes, he is the one who doesn't believe in marriages, who does fine with live in relationships. Yet he was the one who dragged her to the temple and put the sindoor and mangalsutra on her in front of her DM.
Much water has flown under the bridge since then and now both have acknowledged their love for each other and all he can think of now is taking it to the next level. Khushi would have happily followed him, cause she is helplessly in love...but then how could DM have allowed her most favourite bhaktin, her friend to live in sin😆...and thus she intervenes with the help of Naniji and Payal...she knows, all she has to do is introduce the worm in the mind of her Sanka Devi...and the rest will take care of itself. 😃 Poor Khushi, ...she thinks, I love him, he probably loves me...so let's make this truly official and then we can do our business. After all, scores of people first fall in love and then marry. Love and marriage, in that order, are not really mutually exclusive...right?
ODB, on the other hand, is relatively sure of himself and his position in Khushi's heart...in his mind, he has taken care of all the lose ends...Shyam is out, misunderstandings have been ironed out, his Di is now in a happy place because he has convinced her that she is th emost important person in his life, Khushi's bid for freedom has been foiled and she is firmly esconced in his heart and hearth, even Dadi has been suitably rebutted, ...all in all, things are sorta kinda where they should be.
All that remains to complete this picture of relative bliss...is his wife Khushi's cooperation . Poor soul...little does he know what is crawling in her head...😆
Oh, what I would do to give these two a long, warm hug?😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: premparbat

Sush


To be honest I am a bit baffled about todays episode ...or should i say I have mixed feelings.. While I agree with the "differnce in thinking..." of the two and the story we were promised at the start , its the timing and presentation that I am miffed about.

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True to their nature Arnie never believed in marriage and was happy to have Lavanya at his side for his physical needs. Then came along Khushi who he forced to "marry" to put the MS and sindoor in a temple coz he felt that was imporatant to her. Why did he not ask her to be his Live in girlfriend when he could have done so ? Why does he want the label " Husband" and her acceptance of this haque ? If Love is the only thing that matters then why NOT give in to the rsepect and dignity that "marriage" grants a realtionship. Its because he still has not understood what Total & Absolute commitment is . Does not understand the meaning of each and every vow... Sush it doe snot have to be with pandits around with familly around ...Vows are required promises to each other...He is still sitting on a fence.


Khushi who has lived for 6 months, till a few days ago was willing to walk away from the contract has now grown a concious and wants all the trappings. Is she not the one who thinks that Love & DIL are the two things that you need in a raltionship , the one thing that her Arnie dear so lacked. Was she not the one a few days ago said "I don't want to change you ..." now wants a
pwedding with all teh reeti-rivaaz . What she had committed to 6 months ago how was that acceptable to her that she has silently accepted him as her husband going ahead... why this sudden need of tradition. If she was so strong in her beliefs why does she not lay down her condition of this marriage - I want a proper wedding... Why this playing around. She too is sitting on a fence.


All in all Sush , yes both will have to find a middle ground or maybe forced to tie the knot knowing its a Family TV channel . My peeve is the flip flop by the csv and the toying with characters as and when they please...


If the new creative team gets this ie. please stick to the original characters and story board then I will be a happy camper. For now I am still unsure what tomorrow will bring...

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Every argument you raise is valid Ratna...yet Khushi is absolutely entitled to have her own feelings about what will make her comfortable...what will right the wrong that as been committed by both of them...by agreeing to this contract..the way they did .Yes, she is in love with this man...but she I also the person who she is...and last 6 months plus a few days of perfect ARnie have not been enough for her to right that wrong...


May be when she agreed to the contract she didnt know what Arni would do...about this part...but now she feels free to tell him...how exactly she feels...she wants it on her terms too...that is the strong Khushi...we have been wanting ...right...?



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Edited by -Sush- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: premparbat

Sush

To be honest I am a bit baffled about todays episode ...or should i say I have mixed feelings .. While I agree with the "differnce in thinking..." of the two and the story we were promised at the start , its the timing and presentation that I am miffed about.
True to their nature Arnie never believed in marriage and was happy to have Lavanya at his side for his physical needs. Then came along Khushi who he forced to "marry" to put the MS and sindoor in a temple coz he felt that was imporatant to her. Why did he not ask her to be his Live in girlfriend when he could have done so ? Why does he want the label " Husband" and her acceptance of this haque ? If Love is the only thing that matters then why NOT give in to the rsepect and dignity that "marriage" grants a realtionship. Its because he still has not understood what Total & Absolute commitment is . Does not understand the meaning of each and every vow... Sush it doe snot have to be with pandits around with familly around ...Vows are required promises to each other...He is still sitting on a fence.
Khushi who has lived for 6 months, till a few days ago was willing to walk away from the contract has now grown a concious and wants all the trappings. Is she not the one who thinks that Love & DIL are the two things that you need in a raltionship , the one thing that her Arnie dear so lacked. Was she not the one a few days ago said "I don't want to change you ..." now wants a wedding with all teh reeti-rivaaz . What she had committed to 6 months ago how was that acceptable to her that she has silently accepted him as her husband going ahead... why this sudden need of tradition. If she was so strong in her beliefs why does she not lay down her condition of this marriage - I want a proper wedding... Why this playing around. She too is sitting on a fence.
All in all Sush , yes both will have to find a middle ground or maybe forced to tie the knot knowing its a Family TV channel . My peeve is the flip flop by the csv and the toying with characters as and when they please...
If the new creative team gets this ie. please stick to the original characters and story board then I will be a happy camper. For now I am still unsure what tomorrow will bring...


Ratna 🤗

Your post echoes my sentiments.

I too am confused by the way bot Arnav and Khushi behaved...when Arnav loves her so much, why won't he indulge her, agree to take her to a temple and marry her the way she wants? Just hire a pandit and take the pheras the right way...

And Khushi...when the hate marriage happened, I was stunned that she accepted the marriage as it was and never once mentioned that this marriage is not complete, till recently.
In the past she was hired to train La in sanskars and paramparas and at that time she knew everything...but when it comes to her own marriage, she needed Nani and Payal to remind her that her marriage is incomplete?
And what did she expect...that she and Arnav would lead their married lives just holding hands and hugging?!!

Khushi looked absolutely stunning...I loved her both in the sari and the lehenga...gorgeous!




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ha ha...made the entire post without saying anything about I LOVE YOU DAMMIT! Thanks for the reminder Meens😳 OK...to me.,...that sounded like...I WANT YOU! Very flattering...but almost thrown out as an argument FOR what he wanted to do...a justification...
I am glad he said it...but as an argument this was not as convincing...It was an admission to justify the means to an end...😛
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sush valid question and the answer also varies on where you come from..I mean place.. a small town girl like kushi who is always looking for approval from everyone surrounding her and feeling that traditions hold meaning and is a requirement for survival in the society is valid in her point of view.
Sush I agree with your point...somehow she is uncomfortable to take their relationship to the next level...its purely because they didnt marry the right way...its not that she doesnt consider him her husband...somewhere she thinks he is not committed because he always throws in the contract thing on her face.

Arnav who gave a hoot to traditions and beliefs and also denied not to have any feelings has now changed his opinion about atleast one...feelings...yes he admits that feelings is what matters to him...but has yet to understand kushi's POV..he will come to that when everyone will tomorrow point out fingers at kushi...when Anji, Nani, Dadi everyone will ask kushi ..."How did you agree to it" thats when it will hit him that just their having feelings doesnt get the required approval from everyone around her...the rituals and promise has to be made in the public witnessed by close ones.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sush-

Ha ha...made the entire post without saying anything about I LOVE YOU DAMMIT! Thanks for the reminder Meens😳 OK...to me.,...that sounded like...I WANT YOU! Very flattering...but almost thrown out as an argument FOR what he wanted to do...a justification...

I am glad he said it...but as an argument this was not as convincing...It was an admission to justify the means to an end...😛

Actually Sush When he said that I kind of expected a response from you on it as we have alwyas on your thread in the past said that this is how he will say it.
And I dont think the admission was a means to the an end... He is struggling to show his feelings to her and what she means to him. He has exposed himself more than he would like to and all that ever comes out from him is in anger... so he goes I LOVE U Dammit...
and I simply loved that part...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey 2 really important fact pointed out ...👏👏👏👏
What is more important? /
Is it OK to sleep with a person if you are in love with them...thats what is teh most important thing...
@ red: Arnav is totaly n completely in love with Khushi hence he would not want to hold back at all. He want to be hers completely and eternally.
He balantly admited and justified it as n OKAY thing to do *cue he loves her dammit* but did he once try to find out her feeling?? Wait for her to reciprocate the same. Didnt it even feel to him that he is shoving himself on her ...just cuz HE loves her that means its okay for him to take it to the next level...what bout her???
So is it the same case for Khushi??? she may love him deeply, but giving herself to him completely with the sword of contract this hangin btwn them...in her mind Arnav is right now standing up with her after the entrance of Dadi, but what bout when dadi is not around???
He tell her he loves her, yet to make her do things there is oodles of anger in him. Its still very difficult to accept ASR behind the sweet Arnav.
or
Is it OK...to hold out...till you feel at peace and good about the union that it is a PROPER union?
@ RED: again, i hardly doubt Khushi is at peace with how she feel about the whole situation. Not just the marriage that she was forced into, but he also left her no choice n brought her home to RM after she leaving to GH. with all these feeling that makes one insecure about the future btwn herself n the person she loves... isnt going to feel comfortable to take the step fwd.
He asked her to move fwd with him,...yet where had he considered her choice and seen what matters to her???
His own words, why does she sleep like this in GH house, n not RM...should answer that this above concern...
At GH, she feel more secured, and at home. In RM she feels confined and has to watch her every step. More like a caged bird under a watchful eyes.
Merely saying that *my wife can go anywhere she want and do anything she pleases* is not enough. One actions have to match ones words to truly make the opposite person beleive what u are saying is indeed the truth and u stand by it.
Arnav/ ASR only says things, yet his actions portray n entirely different story.
ThnQ that was a very beautiful post
Avni 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I do understand khushi and her not being ready but I am with you Sush on Arnav's feelings too. Poor soul.

May be a middle ground is needed.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: premparbat

Actually Sush When he said that I kind of expected a response from you on it as we have alwyas on your thread in the past said that this is how he will say it.
And I dont think the admission was a means to the an end... He is struggling to show his feelings to her and what she means to him. He has exposed himself more than he would like to and all that ever comes out from him is in anger... so he goes I LOVE U Dammit...
and I simply loved that part...

Hmmm...I know...I know...most people seem to love it! Yes...we expected him to blurt it out like this...didnt we...but when he was trying to hide his feelings...Here was he really trying to hide anything? Look at this Ratna...This looked like an argument to me...
But then again...for a man...
I LOVE YOU DAMMIT and
I WANT YOU DAMMIT...are more or less the same...
For women...may be not so...😉
When you really love a person...you think more about what they want...as opposed to what you want...He hasnt addressed the contract issue, which matters so much to Khushi ...yet...and he jumps to this...DO I blame him...no...of course ...I wanted him to want this...but...then again...what is speaking is his desire...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vistaa

🤗Sush,

Yes, it is one of those kind of days when the smiles just don't stop coming..😃
Great post and absolutely valid questions. And Khushi looked delectable...I was surprised he took it so slow and gentle 😆 No wonder his absolute bewilderment and annoyance at her reluctance.
*Sigh*
The trouble with me is that I can't take issue with either one of them and what they did and din't do today...Yes Khushi is the traditionalist, yet it is her who has been living with him for six months without the full-fledged wedding. and he calls her out on it..."what is wrong with you?"
And yes, he is the one who doesn't believe in marriages, who does fine with live in relationships. Yet he was the one who dragged her to the temple and put the sindoor and mangalsutra on her in front of her DM.
Much water has flown under the bridge since then and now both have acknowledged their love for each other and all he can think of now is taking it to the next level. Khushi would have happily followed him, cause she is helplessly in love...but then how could DM have allowed her most favourite bhaktin, her friend to live in sin😆...and thus she intervenes with the help of Naniji and Payal...she knows, all she has to do is introduce the worm in the mind of her Sanka Devi...and the rest will take care of itself. 😃 Poor Khushi, ...she thinks, I love him, he probably loves me...so let's make this truly official and then we can do our business. After all, scores of people first fall in love and then marry. Love and marriage, in that order, are not really mutually exclusive...right?
ODB, on the other hand, is relatively sure of himself and his position in Khushi's heart...in his mind, he has taken care of all the lose ends...Shyam is out, misunderstandings have been ironed out, his Di is now in a happy place because he has convinced her that she is th emost important person in his life, Khushi's bid for freedom has been foiled and she is firmly esconced in his heart and hearth, even Dadi has been suitably rebutted, ...all in all, things are sorta kinda where they should be.
All that remains to complete this picture of relative bliss...is his wife Khushi's cooperation . Poor soul...little does he know what is crawling in her head...😆
Oh, what I would do to give these two a long, warm hug?😃

Vistaa...you have written it so beautifully...I have nothing more to add...Totally on the same page...!! I understand them both today...I feel I have always understood Arnav...and today...I think I understood...whereexactly Khushi was coming from...as well!! Thank you for your post Visto!😃

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