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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey everyone. I generally dont write much on most posts but i am an avid reader here and love peoples comments. Its a great thread.

ok to my point now...Many people here have been saying why Khushi wants this after 6 months. In her defense I want people to remember she was never willing for this wedding. It was forced on to her. It wasnt even a wedding. He dragged her to a mandir and shoved sindoor and a mangalsutra on her. But whatever he did it came with a termination period hanging above it. She was aware of it and thats why there was no need to ask for more. Why take the pheras when this was only for 6 months.
The most important at that point was that why, why was this done to her. For a while even her faith in her Mother her Devi maiya dwindled. She was so stuck in this relationship and if she broke the contract her jijis marriage was at stake.
When she finally managed to find out the truth at time it became not about saving the marriage but about clearing her name. It hurt her to think that anyone esp Arnav had thought so low of her. So still with her name slung in mud and now her her knowing the reason for it where was the need to ask for those phere still??
Then came the kidnapping track where she realized what Arnav really meant to her. But where was he?? Then his I love you came and her mind was consumed by the fact that there was something wrong and then her search for him started. So still no need to talk of pheras when the man and love of her life was in trouble.
Then finally when he came home still all was not well. The whole shyam fiasco and didi ki saut fiasco started. And that had to be dealt with. Just when she was still trying to be sure what Arnav may feel for her the DKS came up time and time again with Arnav again reminding her of the contract and that the relationship was not forever.
She reakky tried to leave thinking this was the best. For Arnav and his family.
He didnt think so. He had reached to a point where like without Khushi was not a life worth living. He did say it to his sister. But not her. With her initially it was about wooing and then about games. So it seemed to her. To any girl it would look like that. After what was said and done between them would a few gifts have been enough? I think i would want more. I would want words. I would want security.
FInally he manages to get her home and as things were about to get better Dadi shows up.
Meanwhile he does manage to show her how he feels by giving her the pearls. They start taking their first steps together as a couple now. She accepts him and his love. But accepting someones love and accepting someone as a husband is two different things.
He forced her to live with him as a husband and wife for the world for the last six months. They have become comfortable with the game now but now it feels real. Is that enough?? It is for him. But for her??? She was just coming to terms with the fact that her Arnavji wants this to be real and forever. But what next??? What about when the contact expires?? Where does the validity of this marraige if thats what it was stand??? It all started as a hoax. It was MEANT to throw wool on peoples eyes. now what?? do they continue it even though they both believe it and mean it to be real.
Arnav thinks so but Khushi just recieved a rude awakening. A marriage which was performed half baked for all the wrong reasons has no validity in the eyes of the most important person in her life. He Devi Maiya. Neither does it hold importance in her families eyes or Arnavs family. Just because they dont know the truth does that make it fine??
Its one thing to live with Arnav as his wife and let the people think so because till this time she was forced to do so. But if they both want it for real doesn't Khushi deserve this?? Why does Arnav want to live with his family and have Khushi live there as well when these same people believe in the same traditions as Khushi. They will never give her the respect she deserves. This Arnav will see for himself.
If Khushi had a choice in this matter from day one and they had fallen in love in a traditional way would Khushi had called Arnav her husband and herself his wife till the wedding was done with the blessings of all elders the way it was to be done??

I personally believe that Since Arnav has been the initiator in all this he needs to really stop and think. Is this how My Khushi would have wanted it. If Arnav would not have taken the first step towards love or hate I believe Khushi being a traditional girl would not have pursued him. What about her made Arnav love her?? He loves her for who she is. That she stands up for what she believes in. That she is firm in her values. Otherwise he had Lavanya for physical needs and could've found more women who were willing.
Why Khushi?? And if khushi then he needs to give her what she wants. As of now it has been first about his di and then about him. Now he needs to do this for Khushi. To want to do it for her, A simple traditional girl. Orphaned at age 8. Brought up by an adopted family. Pushed into an engagement with the wrong guy for all the wrong reasons. Forced into marriage by a guy she was falling in love with for all the wrong reasons. He dreams shattered and her family dissapointed by her after she had spent a life time pleasing them. Time and time again threatened by him, mistreated by him and called various names by him. He played with her feelings to make his own, his sister happy. She brought him back from the jaws of death almost loosing her life.
Finally he realizes what she is worth. Now he wants he for himself. He's become as obsessed lover whose every breath has Khushi's name on it. But even now the threats dont stop. The reason may be love but the ways still have similarities. But she is looking behind the ways and trying to understand the reason.
What about him?? Doesn't he feel she deserves this?? Something that he may not feel is necessary but he knows every girl wants and is very aware that society demands. Or is it ok to just shed the clothes and have the sex and call it as being one. For arguments sake if this is not Arnavs first time then he has become one with many many times. But thats a whole new topic not going there.
So is it ok for one to say I LOVE YOU and then jump into bed. Which by the way was not really said properly before. Maybe for some its cool. For khushi it is not.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Kalyaani

The show is a family based one and hence the PH has to tread rather carefully about what they say, show or imply. That apart the two are really complex people, values and beliefs are not fixed and can keep changing. They have shown this to us clearly.

Khushi ' she does everything in the name of family, obedient daughter, sis in law, bahu and all the other roles. She is in that house only because of Arnav and does not want to be his wife 'in full' it's not just about sex, she is weird in most of her interactions with him. I don't expect her to sit and TALK with the guy but get your point across better girl. If you want the pheres and related, ask the guy he may just do all that for you. He wants you by his side and if that is what it is, you may just get it. Don't forget you are living with the guy for 6 months now and that sindoor applying and mangalsutra tying is accountable as marriage for you, why should the rest matter and now. You want him to declare his love for you to go to the next level, I get it; don't bring in rituals to make a marriage meaningful, it rarely does if the concerned two are not compatible. Yours was not a conventional marriage so why start now? Do you think if you were to do all the vidhis now, you parents would be all accepting of the 6 months marriage? Listen to yourself girl, you sound so confused. You don't want to consummate your marriage let the reasons be valid and also it's about time you behaved like an adult.

Arnav ' my heart goes out to this guy, he is rethinking every damn view he had on love and marriage because of Khushi and it sure must be difficult for him. Imagine being celibate for the past six months and now loving a woman and wanting her and as passionately that he talks about nothing else to her. He too fails to understand Khushi and her moral standing, 6 six months of marriage and what does she have to say now pheres, vidhis and mantras? That girl is unreasonable in his world or of method and logic. She accuses him of not feeling or caring for others feelings, she is guilty of that as well, if her husband and the one she so ardently loves now and spoken out aloud, wants to take their relationship to the next level, why is she acting in this manner. Would she have bed Shyam if she had married him with all the tam-gham and did not love him? So the pheres, vidhis and mantras are the most important, not feelings or love. He may be wrong by not expressing his feelings to her but now that he has, does that make it easier for him or her? Unlikely, the girl still would want the whole drama; give it to her Arnie'.then she may just bed you'.

Don't know about clash in values, it's more like clash in egos now...

SORRY Kalyani...dom't agree with you that it was about ego...It was really about values...
What you vocalize are Arnavs values...not hers...
Her culture and her beliefs are important to her...who is anyone to say they are not as valid as their own...Just because she was forced to compromise on those for the past 6 months...does not mean she would have to continue to...
Edited by -Sush- - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Zuzana


@bold: Ratna I dont agree that he is confused about commitment...I feel he is fully commited to her for life from the moment he understood that he loves her and he also understands that she too loves him..but being the stubborn person who didnt even understand what is love few days back he is still in that basic characteristic of I will live and do what I feel is right...he is not understanding why kushi is asking for a open acknowledgement of their marriage...

@red: I completely agree just to bring in their SP values they are bringing this up..does it mean that kushi has not accepted him as her hubby...did we feel that way all these days...only when it comes to getting physical does the marriage needs validation??? It beats me!!!



@Meens: Loved your post!👏 I too had imagine his ILU in the same manner...it had to end with dammit😆 and in between an argument😃...I am loving this sadda haq ASR😉

Zuzi...in red...
He forgot to tell her about that little detail...How is she expected to know?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sush,
This is a very personal thing, of course. I'll be in Arnie camp for this one. A marriage is a marriage when two people believe in it and I do believe that till Khushi heard of all the phera crap, she had accepted him as her husband. However, she has every right to believe in all the rasms and traditions that come with the great fat Indian wedding (or a simple mandir one!). BTW, hundreds of people in India get married in the court without the huge hassle. Doesn't make it any less of a marriage. But like I said, Khushi has every right to believe and ask for those little rituals. Maybe they can both meet halfway? That is, after all, the secret of any relationship.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sush-

Loved the points in bold Mandy!
Arnav has come a long way ...hasn't he? But he still thinks he can contorl his destiny...
REally Mr. ASR...Can you control your destiny about getting lucky with your wife tonight?😆😆😆 Not as much in control ...as you thought you would be...YE?


😆 Him and Khushi really need to learn they do not write their own destiny but they sure try to 😆

He has come a long way Sush, this is a man who never planned to fall in love and today all he mentions is how much importance his love for her is, nothing else matters.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sush-

Zuzi...in red...
He forgot to tell her about that little detail...How is she expected to know?


Sush my point was as a viewer we know that he is commited and all that stuffing of contract on her face was just to have her with him...but as you said kushi doesnt know about this...every time she thinks he is commited she gets a blow so this time around she needs to be more assured by him that this marriage is for life for him!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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these two idiots even contradict themselves so perfectly. .for the sake of my own sanity...i'm choosing to ignore the fact that cvs😡 really do toy with characterizations a lot of times..all that aside. its hard not to sympathize with either at this point to be honest because both have erred...and moved on from where they were six months ago. i'm not going into who erred more but that they both have; in accepting this marriage of six months on whatever basis it was founded upon and thrust upon her, khushi has already contradicted herself and breached those social norms the day she made that pact with her devil or the enchanted prince..that when she embraced this new reality[contract marriage] it came at a certain price and she walked over a certain set of beliefs..but only now have they begun to visibly trouble her ..or she finally found a voice...a qs for the creatives perhaps??.i suppose she is fighting an inner battle and since everyone needs a support system and this is hers, shouldnt we grant her that much? however small a lifeline that she can hold on to for her own peace of mind, he must respect and acknowledge that.. she comes with her own set of quirks as he does. for a change, its about her now, finally and about what she wants..granted she was forced into the marriage but there too, she had a choice, she made her choice. what would have been the outcome had she not agreed to his coercion of marriage and instead let the truth out in front of all? my point being, a certain line has already been breached...and today they are no longer the same person who they were at that point, they have moved on...


his faults have never been hidden. biggest of them being forcing another girl to safeguard the perceived happiness of another - whether he had any inkling of how that would affect this girl's life at that point was not made clear to us, but we tend to forgive him because he is arnav., one who is expected to come around... and because we are somewhat biased. i keep asking, what if shyam had forced khushi to marry him like that? Its worth a shot that question. and please note, I am not equating the two men here, in any way.

other blunder arnav made was in assuming that he had all the rights to take decision on behalf of his elder much married sister who deserved the truth if nothing else - deserved the right to make that choice herself. In a way, he is paying for his actions already. isnt this nature's way of dealing a blow? when tomorrow his dadi blows the whistle infront of all, and all fingers point to his beloved, only then will he realise what one rash decision has brought upon her and in turn to him and them as a whole. sadly, if this was to play out properly, it would have been paced out and explored in greater detail over the two months the kidnapping fiasco was played out, not under twenty-two minutes on a monday...over a previously non-existent dadi.,in reality their ideological differences could have been used upon and played out to perfection over the months following their hasty marriage.

i have major issues with dadi even though she brings in the other shade that has been missing since evil exited the show. i keep wondering, how can she not even spare him one tender look, a caring smile, a hug to console - she has not even asked him, how are you son? didnt he deserve that much after all those years and whatever ugly past they supposedly went through! apparently not, yet anyway, she has her own agenda. what is it that hangs over their heads? why is it so hard to forgive a fourteen year old? i hope she realizes that life is too short to hold grudges forever, and learns to let go and move on with what she has now., because the past is gone, the present stands tormented... but there is a chance that tomorrow may be a better day. if only...

lets bow to the mighty trps...for i have a sneaky suspicion, they are behind this big push towards what looks to be a social stigma(!) and a remarriage(!) [both things i have issues with..but i am not writing😆] but a big butt...since they keep bringing up the story of radha-krsna, may be there is hope of what i hope for... and that pandora's box will it bring out some ugly truths??

the damage has been done. thats why i keep harping on about a middle ground because there is no other solution. whats done cannot be undone, but they better be attempting to do the right thing for the both of them from this point onward..

Edited by spirit - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Sush,
Finally caught your post, happy that i got back to Sushpective. Presently got into a new corporation as an intern. There is loads to learn and not having enough time to go through post, hardly finding some time to update my posts too.
ANy how you explained it very well about the values. The new actress dadi is impressing me. She might lead Arnav for redeemption. Also some how i am feeling like Kushi will back out from this relationship in 5days when Arnie will agree to marry her.
Any how i am loving this current track sush😊
Edited by Shravani_21 - 13 years ago
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Sush !! Great post dear !! Loving the track and loved yesterday's epi ! ASR was fully in ASR mode 😆 Khushi looked really pretty in the purple sari and the red lehenga ! Loved the way he confessed to her too !! Now i just want a proper wedding as per Khushi's wishes😳
Edited by sweetgal19 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: spirit

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these two idiots even contradict
themselves so perfectly. .for the sake of my own sanity...i'm choosing to ignore the fact that cvs😡really do toy
with characterizations a lot of times..all that aside. its hard not to
sympathize with either at this point to be honest because both have erred...and moved on from where they were six months ago. i'm
not going into who erred more but that they both have; in accepting this
marriage of six months on whatever basis it was founded upon and thrust upon
her, khushi has already contradicted herself and breached those
social norms the day she made that pact with her devil or the enchanted prince..that when she embraced this new reality[contract marriage] it came at a certain price and she walked over a certain set of beliefs..but only now have they begun to visibly trouble her ..or she finally found a voice...a qs for the creatives perhaps??.i suppose she is fighting an inner battle and since everyone needs a support system and this is hers, shouldnt we grant her that much? however small a lifeline that she can hold on to for her own peace of mind, he must respect and acknowledge that.. she comes with her own set of quirks as he does. for a change, its about her now, finally and about what she wants..granted she was forced into the marriage but there too, shehada choice, shemadeher choice. what would have been the outcome had she not agreed to his coercion of
marriage and instead let the truth outin frontof all? my point being, a certain line has already been breached...and today they are no longer the same person who they were at that point, they have moved on...



his faults have never been hidden.
biggest of them being forcing another girl to safeguard the perceived happiness
of another - whether he had any inkling of how that would affect this girl's
life at that point was not made clear to us, but we tend to forgive him because
he is arnav., one who is expected to come around... and because we are somewhat biased. i keep asking, what if shyam had forced
khushi to marry him like that? Its worth a shot that question. and please note,
I am not equating the two men here, in any way.


other blunder arnav made was in
assuming that he had all the rights to take decision on behalf of his elder
much married sister who deserved the truth if nothing else - deserved the right
to make that choice herself. In a way, he is paying for his actions already. isnt this nature's way of dealing a blow? when tomorrow his dadi blows the
whistle infront of all, and all fingers point to his beloved, only then will he
realise what one rash decision has brought upon her and in turn to him and them
as a whole. sadly, if this was to play out properly, it would have been paced
out and explored in greater detail over the two months the kidnapping fiasco
was played out, not under twenty-two minutes on a monday...over a previously
non-existent dadi.,in reality their ideological differences could have been
used upon and played out to perfection over the months following their hasty marriage.

i have major issues with dadi even
though she brings in the other shade that has been missing since evil exited the show. i keep wondering, how can she not even spare him one tender
look, a caring smile, a hug to console - she has not even asked him, how are you
son?
didnt he deserve that much after all those years and whatever ugly past they supposedly went through! apparently not, yet anyway, she has her own agenda.
what is it that hangs over their heads? why is it so hard to forgive a fourteen year old? i hope sherealizesthat life is too short to hold grudges forever, and learns to let go and move on with what she has now., because the past is gone, the present stands tormented... but there is a chance that tomorrow may be a better day. if only...


lets bow to the mighty trps...for
i have a sneaky suspicion, they are behind this big push towards what looks to
be a social stigma(!) and a remarriage(!) [both things i have issues with..but i am not writing😆]but a big butt...since they keep bringing up the story of radha-krsna, may be there is hope of what i hope for... and that pandora's box will it bring out some ugly truths??

the damage has been done. thats why i keep harping on about a
middle ground because there is no
other solution. whats done cannot be undone,
but they better be attempting to do the right thing for the both of them from
this point onward..

<p>


Well said...spirit! I wish they paid more attention to showing Khushsis feelings in a more consistent way...that she is unsettled about the marriage...came out strong only sme times and no others...

Yet another terrace scene and yet another disaster for the two of them...,..had it been a private conversation...and he didn't get so mad...they could have gone to the temple and done what Khushi wanted...but now all bets are off...


I wonder what will happen if Teej comes now...she would fast for him...but how would she explain this to ARnie...another heated situation in the making...
Edited by -Sush- - 13 years ago

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