The 'Yayati complex' in IPKKND

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Cogito_Ergo_Sum

@Cogito_Ergo_Sum

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap
Thank you for letting me know and sure do appreciate it
Mum marginally better will try to reply

your post has triggered an epiphany in me and hopefully if time permits shall share my thoughts

Lovely theory and interesting analysis and so true

All your posts threads and replies have always been well worth a read and goes beyond the converntional

Thanks so much for the kind words. Have been a silent reader for long and have enjoyed your posts thoroughly. Prayers for your Mom's quick recovery.

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Manju

@Drwho

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Lovely thought provoking post!

I am an ardent fan of C.Rajagopalachari, I have a copy of his translation of Mahabharata given to me by my grandfather when I was a child, which I absolutely treasure to this day...

The Mahabharata is an absolute treasure trove of ideology, one can just lose oneself in this

labyrinthine epic.

And you are right, all actions good or bad, have consequences, and sometimes even actions seemingly good on the surface have disastrous consequences like the actions of great people like Puru and Bhishma.

I would definitely not compare the sloppily etched shallow characters in IPK with the beautifully crafted profoundly resonant characters in the Bharata, and I would not exactly class Khushi's current actions as self sacrificing.

The CVs have wrecked her essence and decimated her character to such an extent, she is pathetic. I cannot understnad her complete lack of self respect & self awareness and her current preoccupation of 'doing right' by Anjali is piteous. I think that is just the CV's attempt to promote the bro/ sis equation and downplay the Arnav/ khushi equation.

Her forgetting and forgiving ASR's past cruelty is again I would say a weakness in the script, and I think the CVs are either unwilling or unable to do justice to emotional scenes, hence are resorting to making Khushi this meek, self sacrificing amnesiac who is smiling her way to Oblivion and obscurity.

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Vibha

@vibha28

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Posted: 13 years ago

#13

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Sorry dear am bit tied up today but definately put my few cents in...

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Durga

@koham

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Posted: 13 years ago

#14

Outstanding post !! Brilliant !!
And spot on !!

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Vibha

@vibha28

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Great and very though provoking post...

I remember the story of Yatati and to be very honest when I heard it the first time the immediate thought that came to mind was...was it really helping???to take your father's sin are you really helping your father??? so he got the boon of heaven but what about the father???

If you ask from personal POV, my thoughts are everyone is responsible for their own actions. We have Mother Theresa who is self sacrificing but even she is not a martyr in a sense that she stands for her beliefs...when you have khushi who agrees to Harvard when he is wrong that in my view is wrong. If khushi is right then I think she should fight for her right. Now here in this show she brought Harvard back from hell literally and he in his anger blamed her. That would have been the cue to get out and tell Harvard that you love him but he needs help. By not doing that you are not only doing grave injustice to yourself but to the other person as well.

If I look at Harvard I see a very sick and disturbed man. Yes so he had mommy issues and his sister needs him but for that a man should be even more aware of a female's pain and her sufferings..Khusi hasnt done anything to deserve that. Jija lusted after her not the other way around,it is same as he lusted after her even when he was with La...so by that equation wasnt' La the victim then? why were we loving that track? is that because Harvard is inanely goodlooking?

Willow wants her hubby and she will get him too but at what cost? if Harvard keeps him the house he is doing her wrong too because that man is evil...but because I do not like willow I will say its all good send her to shyam and let him kill her this time please.

Problem dear is when you confuse sacrifice with stupidity...its a very fine line and not many realise it...you can be sacrificing but not stupid in a sense that you dont look at logic. I would personally want khushi to leave Harvard and give him two choices, get help and show me the change or leave him for good...

Just because you are in self sacrificing mode you should realise that by that nature you are really not helping the other person infact you are just making them continue their behaviour which wasnt correct in the first place..

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inajnar

@inajnar

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Posted: 13 years ago

#16

That was one well written post !! Great out of box thinking...

The reference to Bhishma and Yayati's son Puru makes sense here..

In fact after reading your post I remembered that chapter in the Mahabharata where Karna gives away his Kavach and Kundal to Indra (in disguise) even thoough he was forewarned and knew this act could doom him.

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jpatel1289

@jpatel1289

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Posted: 13 years ago

#17

Amazing post! I have always been really interested in the Mahabharat and reading something like this is always a pleasure!

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Cogito_Ergo_Sum

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: Drwho
Lovely thought provoking post!
I am an ardent fan of C.Rajagopalachari, I have a copy of his translation of Mahabharata given to me by my grandfather when I was a child, which I absolutely treasure to this day...

The Mahabharata is an absolute treasure trove of ideology, one can just lose oneself in this
labyrinthine epic.

And you are right, all actions good or bad, have consequences, and sometimes even actions seemingly good on the surface have disastrous consequences like the actions of great people like Puru and Bhishma.

I would definitely not compare the sloppily etched shallow characters in IPK with the beautifully crafted profoundly resonant characters in the Bharata, and I would not exactly class Khushi's current actions as self sacrificing.

The CVs have wrecked her essence and decimated her character to such an extent, she is pathetic. I cannot understnad her complete lack of self respect & self awareness and her current preoccupation of 'doing right' by Anjali is piteous. I think that is just the CV's attempt to promote the bro/ sis equation and downplay the Arnav/ khushi equation.

Her forgetting and forgiving ASR's past cruelty is again I would say a weakness in the script, and I think the CVs are either unwilling or unable to do justice to emotional scenes, hence are resorting to making Khushi this meek, self sacrificing amnesiac who is smiling her way to Oblivion and obscurity.

I definitely agree with you that the Mahabharata is beyond compare. One of the Greatest works (if not THE Greatest)- encompassing everything from political discourse, moral philosophy, social commentary and family dynamics..
Rajaji's marvelous work is particular favorite of mine, too. I would also recommend you check out the book 'Jaya' by Dr Devdutt Pattanaik, which explores some of the lesser known tales in the epic.

Any modern serial or novel can only aspire to emulate part of the epic's grandeur. To start off I just wish the makers of IPKKND could do justice to the interesting characters they have created! You are right, they have reduced Khushi's character to an absolute caricature now, similarly to what they have done to Anjali's portrayal. Similarly Arnav is sometimes reduced to being a one dimensional, delusional jerk!

Lets hope the plot and characterization improve!!

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Cogito_Ergo_Sum

@Cogito_Ergo_Sum

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: inajnar
That was one well written post !! Great out of box thinking...
The reference to Bhishma and Yayati's son Puru makes sense here..

In fact after reading your post I remembered that chapter in the Mahabharata where Karna gives away his Kavach and Kundal to Indra (in disguise) even thoough he was forewarned and knew this act could doom him.

Thanks for your reply, and was very interesting you brought up Karna's portrayal. One of the earliest and best depictions of a complex, 'anti-hero' character. Karna's is seriously such a fascinating portrayal- he has so many admirable traits- his loyalty, valor, honesty and generosity. Yet he makes so many horrible choices- joining in Draupadi's humiliation, Abhimanyu's treacherous defeat and slaying.

I just wish the makers of the serial could take some inspiration from this portrayal, on how to really structure a complex character like Arnav's, carrying so much baggage from his past.

While watching the serial, sometimes you get a feeling the creatives don't really know how to proceed with Arnav's character. They don't seem to have a clue how to show his remorse/ redemption and just keep making him seem like an immature person at times.

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The.Lannister

@The.Lannister

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Posted: 13 years ago

#20

Brilliant post!

It has been said about the Mahabharat (MBH) that there is nothing in the world that you wont find in the MBH. The principles taught by it are as relevant today as they were then. Our mistake then is that we have glorified the wrong people & looked down upon people who stood up for the right. This has in turn made many people follow a rather strange & self - destructive path of so called goodness which actually benefits no one but ends up nurturing evil tendencies (e.g.: khushi kept mum about shyaam because she felt it would hurt anjali. in turn today she has been called a home - wrecker & a woman who leads men on. she is bound in a contract marriage, etc)

As Winston Churchill said once, 'You have enemies? Good! That means you have stood up for something in your life, sometime'. It takes a lot of courage to fight for ones rights. Because to fight for oneself one needs to believe that he or she is right. Fighting for others brings you glory but fighting for your own cause & rights often lands you with loneliness. Hence not many people dare to speak out for themselves lest they offend the ones they love. (e.g.: khushi fought with arnav when he was in a live in relationship with lavanya. but sadly she when it comes to fighting for her rights she resorts to comedy! khushi giving in to arnav demand that she come back home disappointed me no end!)

As for sacrifice true love never asks for sacrifice. e.g.: If Anjali truly does love her brother she will understand that he loves Khushi. he may not be as verbose or as emotional about his love as she is about her love for shyaam but he loves khushi equally or maybe even more. Also, the right thing for Anjali to do is not ask Arnav to leave Khushi but to leave Shantivan with her husband herself. Love ensures your loved ones happiness...and no form of sacrifice be it big or small ever makes anyone truly happy. You only sacrifice things which you have & you never got them in the first place with the intention of sacrificing them. you had intended to be with that person/ thing forever!

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