The 'Yayati complex' in IPKKND

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey Guys,

So, was watching last few episodes together with my Mom, and she made an observation that got me thinking. She remarked that Khushi's goodness was being defined by how much she was ready to give up whatever she held dear to her, whatever mattered to her. Mom was really irritated that the other good traits Khushi possesses, were paling into insignificance compared to this one trait, which is being hammered again and again.

This made me recollect the tale of Yayati, this is a story in the Mahabharata and is an important part of Indian legend and philosophy.

Firstly, I must give acknowledgement to the wonderful works by C Rajagopalachari (Mahabharata retold) and Dr Devdutt Pattanaik (Jaya: An illustrated retelling of the Mahabharata) which provide contemplation on the wisdom of one of the world's Greatest Epics.

Yayati was a king who had been cursed for his misdemeanors. Rather than accept the consequences and find a way to bear/ overcome them; he chose to try to escape by fixing the burden on one of his own children.

The eldest son, Yadu, refused- since he felt his father should accept the consequences of his own actions, and also since he felt he could not ignore his own duties and responsibilities. The youngest, Puru, agreed to bear the burden of his father's sins.

The tale goes on to narrate that Puru was glorified for his unquestioning obedience and self sacrifice, and Yayati ultimately crowned him as his successor. Yadu, who had only stood for the correct course of action (and reminded his father of the fact), was stripped of his rights as crown prince and cursed that he and his descendants would never be crowned Kings.

Generations later, this glorified renunciation would find an echo in Devavrata (Bhishma), who would give up his rights to a married life and rights as a crown prince, to ensure that his middle aged father got to marry again.

The Mahabharata clearly implies, that while Bhishma's self-abnegation ensured his father got to marry a much younger woman he was obsessed with; it also had severe long term consequences. Time would prove that Bhishma was a far more capable and deserving person, than either of his half brothers would ever turn out to be. His actions, while selfless, were an important part of the chain of circumstances that would ultimately lead to the carnage of the Kurukshetra war.

The Mahabharata, composed millennia ago, illustrates the consequences of an irrational sacrifice. But have we, as a people, really understood the message? Are we still defining admirability/ goodness of a 'heroine' or 'hero' by showing how much they are prepared to give up?

There are no easy answers here. All Great Love involves placing someone else's needs at par or above yours, a good amount of times. But is it necessary to do this all the time?

Will we respect Khushi more, or less, if she stands up for her rights and insists on a course of action which makes her happy? Is it wrong to think of your own happiness at least some of the time?

Assuming Anjali asks Arnav to bring back Shyam/ snap off ties with Khushi. Will we think more of Arnav, or less, if he refuses to toe the line and does not give in to emotional blackmail? Will we then feel he is not being a good brother?

My personal opinion- for what its worth- is that there is a thin line between being a considerate, empathetic person; and being a self sacrificing martyr. The former are worthy of praise, admiration and emulation.

The latter need to be told to look after themselves as well, amidst the ceaseless attempts to make others' lives better. As the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." You never know what the consequences of your well intentioned (but ill considered) action may be!


Edited--- received a few queries as to where the term 'Yayati complex' fits. This is a phrase often used in discussions on Indian philosophy. Basically, the term refers to giving excessive value to self sacrifice. Where unquestioning obedience and renunciation (like what Yayati demanded of Puru) is treated as the highest virtue.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Loved your post! 👏 👏

Brilliant reference to Bhishma as well!

These days Khushi indeed has turned into a self sacrificing naari, who is ready to give up anything/anyone (even her husband for whom she almost lost her life and whom she loves a lot), just so she can set things right, which she believes are her fault.

It is frustrating to see her tolerate injustice and hurt, yet continuing to still put the betterment of others (lately Anjali) before her own...she blindly plunges into impulsive and impetuous decisions made without thinking of the consequence on other people dear to her, or even herself! In that process she has seemingly given up on her own self respect as well.

Sigh! SP bahu and her sacrificing ways...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Good reference..i was wondering how Yayati fits here but u made a good reference!

I am surprised to see the number of lies Khushi says in the name of "good"!! I for one wud not be able believe a single thing she says if i were her family member given her tendency to take everything on her shoulders - does she succeed in anything? No..always puts her into trouble but still she continues!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: preetihere

Good reference..i was wondering how Yayati fits here but u made a good reference!

I am surprised to see the number of lies Khushi says in the name of "good"!! I for one wud not be able believe a single thing she says if i were her family member given her tendency to take everything on her shoulders - does she succeed in anything? No..always puts her into trouble but still she continues!


Hey- thanks for your reply

The 'Yayati complex' is a term often used in discussions on Indian philosophy. Basically, the term refers to giving excessive value to self sacrifice. Where unquestioning obedience and renunciation (like what Yayati demanded of Puru) is treated as the highest virtue.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Brilliant post! Absolutely loved it. 😊
Personally, The Mahabharat is my favourite epic. There are so many lessons to be learnt and imbibed from it. You have done a great job in bringing both Yayati's and Bheeshma's example.I do not want to draw comparisons b/w Bheeshma and Khushi as they are from completely different time frames and situations.
From my point of view, Khushi knowingly went ahead into marrying Arnav, she did have a choice, she could have confessed in her mother or aunt about the threat Arnav gave her. (I can understand that her sister's marriage broke once, Khushi did not history to repeat and Arnav knew exactly how to threaten her into marrying him) Khushi knew that her six month stint in RM would literally turn her life upside down, she knew how rude Arnav is, given the fact that he manhandled her umpteen number of times in the past, she knew Mamiji would make snide remarks on her, she knew her family would be shattered, yet she went ahead with the marriage. Taking all this into consideration, one part of me says that Khushi is also equally responsible for her state.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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nice post
didnt think like that before

Khushi's character is portrayed such that you can do what you please & it will still be considered "right"
Her sacrifices benefit others to some extent but damage her self way too much.
One thing i noticed her sacrifices are not credited to her rather the other members of the RM take the credit & she still doesnt open her mouth.

I do not like how they portraying her character.

u described the situation aptly

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sbk2

Loved your post! 👏 👏


Brilliant reference to Bhishma as well!

These days Khushi indeed has turned into a self sacrificing naari, who is ready to give up anything/anyone (even her husband for whom she almost lost her life and whom she loves a lot), just so she can set things right, which she believes are her fault.

It is frustrating to see her tolerate injustice and hurt, yet continuing to still put the betterment of others (lately Anjali) before her own...she blindly plunges into impulsive and impetuous decisions made without thinking of the consequence on other people dear to her, or even herself! In that process she has seemingly given up on her own self respect as well.

Sigh! SP bahu and her sacrificing ways...



Thanks for your reply. Glad you liked the post. Totally agree that the show needs to show Khushi's character standing up for what is right, and not putting herself in the firing line all the time.

Like they say, doing injustice is a crime, but tolerating it is even worse...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Harshitha

nice post

didnt think like that before



Hi, thanks for your reply. Thanks also for the good discussion we've got going on in AyeReKhushi's thread as well as my thread on ASR's characterization..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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For me we should be grateful to our creator for the life we have been blessed with,We can not take our life for granted and mess with it.Thinking of others happiness is a noble thing but each time sacrificing your happiness for the sake of others is a foolish thing.All people need to find their happiness on their own.Khushi should ofcourse help her family.But that does not mean she should take all the burdens.The other family members also need to learn how to face struggle,how to earn happiness.
Khushi's sacrificing does not make any sense.If she leaves Arnav then Anjali will be happy.But Arnav will be sad.Khushi's family will be sad.So at the end she can not make everyone happy.So what's the point of such sacrificing.People should stand by the truth,the right always even if it gives pains to others,And it is not a crime to think about your happiness.Happiness is a blessing from God.You should value it.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you for letting me know and sure do appreciate it
Mum marginally better will try to reply
your post has triggered an epiphany in me and hopefully if time permits shall share my thoughts
Lovely theory and interesting analysis and so true
All your posts threads and replies have always been well worth a read and goes beyond the converntional
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