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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: bong.girl



U r hellbent on breaking my heart, are nt u? 😭 I can't afford 75 pounds! 😭 Oh what a travesty! 🥺 The inflight entertainment sounded so enticing with Satyamev Jayate thrown in! 😉

Though I am not much of an adventurous person I dont mind being whisked away to unknown locations "where I will be tied to a chair and will have a gun pointed at my head" PROVIDED I am tied next to BS! 😆

no worries we offer galary price and wing price as well whatever your preference (oops affordability) we cater to that too...we do want a full flight...just dont know how to get you all in it...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tangam

no worries we offer galary price and wing price as well whatever your preference (oops affordability) we cater to that too...we do want a full flight...just dont know how to get you all in it...


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Posted: 13 years ago
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"You may want to stop reading this if you, by now have decided to abhor the word CV. This is on behalf of everyone who comes under CV, that I decide to write. I dont know if its a futile exercise, but I would still make an attempt."

Having read the rest of your preach, it sounds to me like you meant 'you may want to stop reading this if you don't like patronizing sermons.' By saying 'on behalf of everyone,' erm do you mean all the CVs are as erm liberal, open to feedback, and not stuck up.. erm just like you? Just asking.

"The way a show works is that the producer approaches the channel with a concept. The channel decides if the show would work for the kind of audience they have, the kind of bouquet of shows they have, if it fits well in it. A research team from the channel works on finding if the show has a market out there. When all signs are positive, the show is commissioned.

The crew is assigned, the cast is decided and the show goes on floors. Picture is pretty so far. Now, the car is ready to leave the garage and hit the roads. As a viewer, you'd expect your car (show/ actors)- which is run by the driver (CVs from production house and channels) on the roads very smoothly. Sure enough, we like the ride that way too. But the ride may not always be smooth. It gets rocky, there are speed breakers, the roads are bad, there is work in progress, there is traffic, someone else is driving rashly and you need to go slow. Or worse, it pours and its just not in your hands.

We go through our challenges too."

I'm sorry to break your bubble, but what you've outlined isn't a unique journey. While I would love to let you keep thinking that it's rocket science and one of a kind, every job entails versions of just what you've outlined above.

"Is Pyaar Ko is a romance, a Star One type of show, being tried on a Star Plus type of a platform, keeping in mind that we dont just want the youth, but also the slightly older generation to watch it with interest. If it was just for youth, we would have just kept it in office, made it more 'yo' but we are targetting a larger section.

A show like Is Pyar ko is difficult to write because it is different from the other kind of shows that you see. There are times when we work and we rework and we rework till we are satisfied. I guess that is how the show managed to get its fanbase that grew so much so that today they are fanatic when something goes wrong. But why could it be going wrong? Its always the CVs who are blamed, cursed, given cuss words for.

I mean, why?"

Erm coz I thought you said above that you are the driver or some such thing? So bumpy ride on a smooth road (given there are other cars riding smoothly on the same road). Logically, a driver driving rashly or sleeping while driving results in a bumpy ride in that case. I mean logically, oh wait did I say logically? Apologies.

"We are as human, we tend to err as much as anyone else. And its not like we like to sabotage the show because the longer a show runs, the better it is for us- its our show, its our baby and its our anna-daata. We earn because of the hard work on it."

I'm glad we've established the anna-daata bit - a.k.a a job?

"Hard work and CVs, someone may frown there. Yes, we have to create a bank so that the production plans things well. Because there can be actor availability problems, location availability problems, weather problems, just anything unforseen. There is very less time, some scenes take time to get shot, hence the editor doesnt get enough time, sometimes the daylight is getting over, and the director has to finish, he cannot shoot tomorrow because the schedule is planned some other way. But none of the 80 odd team members like mediocrity. What you see is the best possible way in which the episode could go on air given the constraints. People fall sick. Its not just poor Barun, poor Sanaya, there is poor editor, poor director, poor everyone who would fall sick and the performance may slack a bit because of that because we work beyond the permissible limits of body clocks."

Awww poor, POOR CVs (literally too, given some of the props and sets). Take some tissues, use our shoulders. Feel better, babies? Or, would you like some more mollycoddling? I mean you guys are after all the only group in the whole world who does their job in spite of facing so many challenges. Everyone else in everyone field has such a cakewalk after all. Let me spare you a hug every day.

"We give you all 5 half hours of content every week. Thats almost the length of a movie. So basically we make a movie every week. We work daily, and wait, just when there is a breather, there is a maha episode, which means in that fortnight there is no breather as we have done Mon-Fri, then a one hour slot, then again a Mon-Fri. So there is no break."

More awwws. I've NEVER heard of such hardwork. I mean EVER. Neither me nor my colleagues nor my friends work. Just makhi maaring, you know? No hardwork, no challenges, no deadlines, no problems. All hunky dory.

"Barun is doing a film. He is adjusting his weekends with us and whenever possible he can shoot with us. We write scripts according to that. We go back and forth, bend backwards because we know how much you all love ASR/Barun. We want to provide as much as we can manage."

..and we thank you for it. Not that when Barun and Sanaya were in every single scene during the comedy stint, you made particular use of it (erm the kundali comedy, gobar rabba ve etc.) that you are lamenting that Barun's not around now.

"If a terrace scene is not good, you all will blame the director and editor for a bad job. But poor actors they shot in the sun. Let me tell you that the directors, the production team, the lightmen, the spot boys, the cameraperson do not operate from AC vans. Everyone faces the heat. Trust us on one thing, what we give you is our best."

Correction. If Sanaya and/or Barun do not act well in a scene, then we will say they should've done a better job. You should be happy that your actors more often than not do a good job. Please be assured that there have been posts mentioning they could've done a better job in some scenes.

Oh and I'm sorry, but it's difficult to 'trust you' that you are giving your best when we've already seen your best and what was shown recently is nowhere near it.

"So a request, do not all the time trash CVs for a bad scene or a bad track. When a Khushi ASR scene moves you all, entertains you all, its not JUST Barun and Sanaya who have given a fab performance. Its the entire team effort. There are 9 posts on Barun and Sanaya and one post on CVs. But if something goes wrong, there will be a rampage of CV trashing, that even goes to the extent of 'CVs are trying to ruin the careers of the actors.' Like really! Next you all will imagine us dressed as komolika and playing with the latt of our hair!!"

Wow, did you say request? Besides the actual word, nothing in this post suggests anything but a patronizing tone, you know? Also, do you scour through IF all day to see how many posts are made on Barun, Sanaya, CVs, et al? Out of curiosity, do you make a tally? Not that that's petty or childish or anything. I guess a more mature group would've been flattered that we are not giving feedback to Barun or Sanaya about their acting, but are taking the effort to give thoughtful feedback to the CVs. But, I see this is a case of 'don't say bad things about us coz we're the best.'

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do not all the time trash CVs for a bad scene or a bad track" -> sure, we'll just trash our bad luck.

"Bottomline- Its a creative process. Some ideas are good, some bad. Sometimes we HAVE to do a parallel track because we have to shoot two units and make sure twenty two minutes of content everyday is ready. We all go through the same problems as Barun and Sanaya and 'Arhi' and 'Payash' are as close to us as they are to you all. We try, we fall, we get up, try something new, because lets face it- everyone on the show has come with years of experience. Its just that sometimes things work, sometimes they dont."

I would've thought years of experience makes people mature and open to feedback. Instead of being defensive and touchy.

"You may feel why is this guy ranting so much. Why is he getting senti? Then, well, let me tell you if you are not senti as a person, you cannot be a creative person. I am attached to the show and take it seriously. So does the rest of my team."

We don't doubt that. But, I think taking your work seriously includes taking criticism and being open to feedback. Getting defensive, patronizing, and preachy shows insecurity and arrogance.

"PS: Barun and Sanaya are not my enemies. You never know someone out there might just take THAT as a takeaway message from this!! Sanaya in fact is a good friend of mine! And guys, its a show, take it as entertainment. There are more things in life to get aggressive and serious about. Watch Satyamev Jayate and you'll know."

Now here comes the highest point of the patronizing tone in this post. Irrespective of what you wanna say about your passion/love for the show, at the end of the day, it's your professions - your job - anna-daata like established earlier. And we are your clients, not the other way round. By being your clients, we earn the right to give you our feedback - about your show, of which we are clients. Not your personal life/choices. You, unfortunately, do not have the right to tell us what to do (or which show to be passionate about) in our personal lives. That is the stark truth. I was imagining myself calling up my clients and saying "Dude, I know my work is currently trash, but hey, there are bigger problems in the world you know? So, don't mind if I do crap work. Watch Satyamev Jayate instead and maybe you'll forget that I suck at my work." Just saying.
Edited by Janet.Das - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
Apperciate your outreach and totally sympathize with the rant. I am also fed up with the negativity. You all are doing a great job, keep it up! Less bloopers will go a long way though!
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Posted: 13 years ago
You know the irony is, inspite of this we will still be watching the show at 8.00 pm tomorrow!!!

Iss Pyar ko kya naam doon, Mr Hegde, aap bataiye !!!

Pick up the threads and move on, take tips if you need to, from this forum where ideas abound, its a limitless minefield, pick what suits your own concept of the show, and do your job is all we ask! You had been doing it until end of Jan, so you can do it again! And next time look before you leap, think before you speak!!

Good luck!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
Hello

I had put my reply on another thread, had not seen this thread before. I have added few more comments

Amidst this big sea of confusion this is authentic message from a viewer who is hooked on this serial (infact the one and only Hindi serial)

1. I have never seen chemistry as passionate as between Arnav and Khushi in any tv serials so far.

2. And the lion's share of the credit goes to the directors (and writers, CVs too) who have created these characters. Agreed there have been few irritating episodes where the characters showed selective amnesia and some redundant and som inconsistent behavior but overall the passion has been kept alive and kicking unlike any other serial.

3. I think Sanaya is doing Khushi's role far better than any of her past performances and so is Barun ( in fact when I watched a few scenes of BHPH, I didn't find them (very) extra-ordinary.(My personal view , don't want to hurt anyone). This Sarun chemistry is just rocking...

4. Let me give you one analogy. When Sholay was made it has been proved as one of the best movies... The actors didn't create the same magic in other movies (yes, Amitabh, Dharmendra were successful but same team could not create same magic as compared to Sholay) nor did Ramesh Sippy make another movie like Sholay.

5. So it is just this combination - the way characters have been developed so far together with the way Sarun have put in their effort, the magic has been created and IF SOMETHING IS CHANGED MAJORLY , the soul of it may vanish into thin air.


6. One thing is sure ---- Years later all the IPKND members, actors and viewers will remember this serial because of the way it has touched our hearts --- especially the romantic heart that every woman possesses . I doubt if either Sanaya or Barun will experience the roles as passionate as Arnav and Khushi in future.

7. It is just the right combination of right elements at the right time and we may not get to see another IPKND again in indian TV for many years...

8. So the bottom line is this serial's life is "passion between Arnav and Khushi". It is strong intense passion laden with love, anger, betrayal, disappointment and physical attraction at different times. Don't digress from the fundamentals ---- Don't get into kitchen politics, saas bahoo drama, crime, comedy too deeply. All these areas can be layers around the main theme, but if they start dominating we will be confused. So even if the episode is built around a thriller or comedy at times, the goal should be unaltered --- it is towards love story of arnav and khushi and if it is beating around the bush To Hame bahut pharak padata hain.


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Posted: 13 years ago


Mr. GH, are you taking the mickey? You patronising ba*&%d!

YOU want that we appreciate you and your team instead of criticising you all??!!? Do you really think that we have nothing else to do but watch your show and rubbish it?

Could you sit down for a moment and think WHY we are criticising you and yet continuing to watch the show. Defintiely not because we don't have a choice, at least, not any of your international audience who have a plethora of excellenty made progammes to watch. Your show isn't a patch on the stuff I can watch on the BBC, yet I CHOOSE to watch YOUR show and not any other. I haven't missed a single episode since the show started. Why would I do that if I didn't appreciate your hard work?

We've chosen to watch your show BECAUSE we care for the characters and what happens to them. Have YOU given them the respect they deserve?

Let's take Payash, who you claim, we do not care for while you love them to bits. What have you done to show a growth and development in their characters? what do they do in the show- Akash has no spine, he can't stand up for his wife, does he have an independent life beyond being being an obedient brother and son? Payal has just been a weeping willow, having to put up with her ghastly ma-in-law's taunts? Where is her story?

You brought in NK, what did he do, what was his role in the story? You brought in Bubbly- WHY? And worse you showed a child in the worst possible light, in fact it amount to a form of child abuse which you would not have been allowed to get away with in any other country.

There's maami and maaamji? what are they there for? Apart from maami taunting every one and providing dubious comic relief, I can't see the purpose of her presence.

All of these above characters, who are all terrific characters and superb actors, have unfortunately been left underdeveloped. In what ways have they contributed to the story?

Whose fault is that, definitely not the characters or the actors playing them- you the writer, their creator, are totally responsible for that.

Which brings me to the 4 main characters-
Anjali and Shyam- terrific characters, but do we have a clue why they behave the way they do? Apart from a few hints you've thrown about the trauma in Anjali's life, we have no idea how she has come to be disabled, how she met Shyam? Nothing. Worse we have no clue WHY SHyam is who he is? what drives the man? What is his story?

ASR and Khushi were terrific characters, here to give you credit you built them up beuatifully. But look at how you've butchered their characters in the last 2 month What is their story? What are ASR and KKG's histories? Wha happened in their pasts? Instead you've trapped both of them and us in a meangingless MU and now a kidnap scenario that you've cobbled up to cover up BS's absence. If you had a proper story you would have planned for any contigency, you clearly have no vision or plans.

Where is the story, where is the logic and consistency which was there in the first few months? Now you've started throwing in meangingless romance- who do you think we are?

You've not only insulted our intelligence, now you're adding injury by accusing us of not appreciating you and your hard work and discmiising us a women with a mid life crisis! You my dear in the middle fo a serious career crisis, sort it out, we middle ages women with mid life crisis know how to manage our lives,

If we did not appreciate your hard work Mister, we wouldn't be watching this show, nor would we be bothering to read your pathetic accusation and least of all bothering to take the time to reply to your letter. We are all highly qualified professionals with serious careers in our daily lives and a life outside our work. WE each of us ensure that we do our jobs as efficiently as possible and if there is a slip up, then our first effort to find out what is wrong and set it right immediately and not blaming someone else.

You complaints against us sounds truly unproffessional, We are fully aware of the hard work you and your team are putting in and we do appreciate it, but that does not take away from the fact that you seem to have no vision and no confidence in your story?!? Know what you are doing and do it well, we'll accept it with open arms.

We are not looking for escapism, we are looking a story told in a decent manner. Please don't think we want romance, romance is NOT the story, it is part of ASR and KKG's relationship- focus on the relationship. Be true to the characters- ASR does not do romance, he loves. Remember the epi where KKG imagines a life with Shyam and one with ASR - that was done brilliantly you stuck to the characters of Shyam and ASR and allowed KKG to imagine accordingly. So why are you introducing romance which does not fit in to the show suddenly?

Get the message mate, don't shoot the messengers.

I watch this show for the quality of acting and the story it promised. So if I am criticising you, then it is YOUR job to find out where you are going wrong and to correct it. If you can't do it yourself, then read the millions of wonderful suggestions that people have made on this forum, you can't go wrong.

Do not blame us for critcising you. YOU are not doing your job properly, mate. We have enough intelligence to appreciate good work, which we have done by watching your show. So stop insulting us, pull up your socks, get back to the drawing board and get your act together. Your lack of humility bordering on arrogance is truly appalling.
Edited by Japonica - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
Patthar ke sanam tujhe humne serial ka khuda jaana
Badi bhool huyi, arre humne yeh kya samjha, yeh kya jaana...

Aye kaash ke hoti khabar tune kise thukraya hai,
Sheesha nahi, saagar nahi, mandir sa ek dil dhaaya hai
Ta aasman hai veerana...


Dedicated to all internet fans😃

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Posted: 13 years ago
Note to Gauti..

What is the obsession of PH and CVs to show consummation in a hut in all your shows..😲...Are you turned on by fornicating on the hay?? 😲😲 is that the only way you can show "Suhaag raat between the leads" 😆... Or is it the cheapest way..Who wants to spend money on beautiful set...😆

Gauti-you kinky exhibitionist with such a weird fetish to showing all the suhaag raats in hut or garden..Tch tch..😆
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: DejaVu.

Note to Gauti..


What is the obsession of PH and CVs to show consummation in a hut in all your shows..😲...Are you turned on by fornicating on the hay?? 😲😲 is that the only way you can show "Suhaag raat between the leads" 😆... Or is it the cheapest way..Who wants to spend money on beautiful set...😆

Gauti-you kinky exhibitionist with such a weird fetish to showing all the suhaag raats in hut or garden..Tch tch..😆


I could feel centipedes and millipedes crawling on the skin, when I watched that promo, yuck!!!

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