Is love great only if its tragic? Why - Page 3

Originally posted by: JWMRK

Where is the love to begin with ...that can then turn tragic?

I feel he now loves her now more than even sister Anjali😳

ASR died a painful death that day when he saw two people on the terrace...not just because one of it was his brother in law come close family

BUT because the other person he was was someone whom ASR lost himself to😳...the love of his life...or rather his life...Khushi

And ASR got a new life that day when he held a bhaang drunk girl in his arms😳...the love of his life...or rather his life...Khushi

Now on the other hand...where is the critical love when it comes to Khushi...the way things seem to often be headed ...Khushi needs an antacid...not ASR😆😆...When are we going to see a scene or two when Kushi tells herself that she loves him?

Will only tradegy make ASR and Khushi immortal?

One of my best scenes so far in this serial was when ASR and Khushi both look up at the skies and remember their parents...now that was a scene I would love to have with my soulmate or partner😳...simple yet emotionally connected...😳

And then this week we had that gem of a scene when a vocally challenged ASR calls out to Khushi and she turns...oh so romantic😍...filled with love😳

Why cant they reach that point again?...will showing them emotionally invested in each other without the TRP led misunderstanding make it any less exciting to watch...me thinks not😳

Does only a misunderstanding signal makings of a great love?

I think somewhere this whole misunderstanding seems out of turn now😆

Is love not in being together and facing challenges😊...can ASR and Khushi not be together ...and then face challenges like most normal couples do😊...Say like a business takeover...or a complicated illness...or just dealing together against the slimy Shyam😳

If well scripted all of the above make great tracks😊

I feel I am much sold over a couple that is united than a couple for ever at loggerheads who frankly have no clue now why they are fighting😆...at least after the ASR call out scene and Khushi care for him😳

Does only staring and sighing to assorted Rabba Ves mean great passionate love?

Ok again there is no way to say this but simply this...I don't really know many couples who are smitten with each other but whose only contact with each other is when egged on by assorted bunch of relatives or thanks to a bar of soap in the bathroom😆

I mean come on...sure we dont expect a dash dash dash scene ...but its about time there is some physical connection between them😊

Hugs, kisses and what have you😆... are a regular part of showing you love and care...should love always be shown by staring with intensity...or falling with duppattas flying😆...no you only get a fracture at best if you fall over a duppatta 😆...ok bad joke.😆

So if ASR+Khushi are shown demonstrative after confessing their love...will it make any less interesting for us...again me thinks not😳

For whoever who heads this ship

I get the whole point about drama ...about passion...about TRP...about censors...and what have you

But frankly the way its heading... its not even tragic love now...its just 'exasperation with love'😕😆😆

This misunderstanding needs to be addressed ASAP...because it is where it is with a variety of comic and other elements thrown it...and its begginning to be very repetitive now😳

More importantly ...if for second we assume that you have a great love story of separated lovers on hand...then even that objective is not met😕...because on the basis of what is shown till now the misunderstanding seems to be of a one sided love (ASR)...and a critical piece is missing ...he needs to be loved in return and they both must know they are in love and are being loved back😳...only to be sepatated by Shyam...If this was your intention dear creatives then even this is not being met...

This wait is tragic😆😆😆

Creatives...Please😳

Please give ASR+Khushi's love that chance to come to the fore😊...trust me ...passion, success, TRP, and money will follow😳

After all...this is the love between your, mine, our...Jodi No 1😳

Cheers!

😃Hi JW...
Always i am surprised when i see ur post..u say what i think exactly...agree with all ur points..i have nothing to contradict...🤗 to u...

Lovely post.

I am reminded of this thing that my grandmother often says -- all great love stories end in tragedy, inevitably one of the lovers will outlive the other. When I was younger, this used to be funny. But a year ago when I lost my grandfather, this statement took more a poignant turn. But sorry about that digression.

Are great love stories always a tragedy? The obvious and logical answer I daresay is not.

Are great fictional love stories always a tragedy? Usually so. All fiction is constructed with what is often called a 'conflict', something that the various characters are made to grapple with (very often some kind of moral dilemma, where more than two options are possible), all that they say and do is without losing sight of this conflict that exists. Now while you can have many crisis points within a conflict, you really can't (and should not) have more than one conflict in any story.

Khushi and Arnav are currently in the middle of a misunderstanding -- this is at best a crisis, one that will blow over eventually. The conflict that exists in their story, may not really go away. I think of their conflict as this -- Khushi's unwillingness to put herself out there because of the past rejection and Arnav's self-loathing when he realizes that his years of carefully constructed doors and windows around him are now somewhat ajar because of this girl -- basically two people who can't sit down and have a conversation. This is always going to hold them back. And I think the misunderstanding (a rather flimsy one) is at this point being milked so that they can further develop the characters and their POV. Also, to be honest, their 'conflict' is not such a strong one. Perhaps if this were a weekly soap, they could have got away with it. But given that it is a daily soap, the-whose-ego-is-bigger game can only be tolerated to an extent. So, I am sure the real conflict is somewhere down the line -- something that will require both of them to battle some pretty large demons.

And this makes me wonder, will this love story end in a tragedy? Now if you look at many of the great love stories that ended in tragedy, there are these signs (very broadly) that tell you that the story will end in tragedy.
1. Presence of a third wheel - Kind of yes. Not Shyam (because Khushi was never in love with him... so there is only that much emotional damage that he can inflict.) But here Anjali is surely the third wheel.
2. A toxic environment that the story operates in, you know the forbidden romance thing - No. In fact, this story takes place in a very friendly one and all the support characters are by and large positive and likely to root for the leads.
3. First love/ young love - A lot of tragic love stories are about young love (first love is supposed to live with you forever) - Again, kind of. I think this is somewhat the case here. K & A are surely each other's great first love (unless the writers have been misleading us!)

So ya, after my crappy analysis I can say that I am unsure if IPKKND will end tragically. But if they keep with some of the mindless antics that we are subjected to more lately, I promise it will be highly tragic for us the viewers. But the big question for me, can a TV love story be great at all. And more importantly, should it even aspire for greatness. Not to be a snob here (I heart television), but somehow the medium itself is so transient, I am not sure about greatness.

BTW, sorry for hogging your comment-space. Anyway, what was your question, again ? :D

Before I leave, I offer this to Khushi and Arnav, from my favourite tragic love story (Wuthering Heights) - "If you ever looked at me once with what I know is in you, I would be your slave."

I guess what I am really saying is this, I am a wuss, so can we have a happy ending, please? Will you kids just have that frikkin conversation? Thanks!

great post...yes all happy things need not end in tragic...i really like all the ideas but i dont like the one whr ASR will loose his status(business takeover) that will be complete hmmm i just cant imagine it and its a repeated concept..

Originally posted by: Rag1ni

Lovely post.

I am reminded of this thing that my grandmother often says -- all great love stories end in tragedy, inevitably one of the lovers will outlive the other. When I was younger, this used to be funny. But a year ago when I lost my grandfather, this statement took more a poignant turn. But sorry about that digression.

Are great love stories always a tragedy? The obvious and logical answer I daresay is not.

Are great fictional love stories always a tragedy? Usually so. All fiction is constructed with what is often called a 'conflict', something that the various characters are made to grapple with (very often some kind of moral dilemma, where more than two options are possible), all that they say and do is without losing sight of this conflict that exists. Now while you can have many crisis points within a conflict, you really can't (and should not) have more than one conflict in any story.

Khushi and Arnav are currently in the middle of a misunderstanding -- this is at best a crisis, one that will blow over eventually. The conflict that exists in their story, may not really go away. I think of their conflict as this -- Khushi's unwillingness to put herself out there because of the past rejection and Arnav's self-loathing when he realizes that his years of carefully constructed doors and windows around him are now somewhat ajar because of this girl -- basically two people who can't sit down and have a conversation. This is always going to hold them back. And I think the misunderstanding (a rather flimsy one) is at this point being milked so that they can further develop the characters and their POV. Also, to be honest, their 'conflict' is not such a strong one. Perhaps if this were a weekly soap, they could have got away with it. But given that it is a daily soap, the-whose-ego-is-bigger game can only be tolerated to an extent. So, I am sure the real conflict is somewhere down the line -- something that will require both of them to battle some pretty large demons.

And this makes me wonder, will this love story end in a tragedy? Now if you look at many of the great love stories that ended in tragedy, there are these signs (very broadly) that tell you that the story will end in tragedy.
1. Presence of a third wheel - Kind of yes. Not Shyam (because Khushi was never in love with him... so there is only that much emotional damage that he can inflict.) But here Anjali is surely the third wheel.
2. A toxic environment that the story operates in, you know the forbidden romance thing - No. In fact, this story takes place in a very friendly one and all the support characters are by and large positive and likely to root for the leads.
3. First love/ young love - A lot of tragic love stories are about young love (first love is supposed to live with you forever) - Again, kind of. I think this is somewhat the case here. K & A are surely each other's great first love (unless the writers have been misleading us!)

So ya, after my crappy analysis I can say that I am unsure if IPKKND will end tragically. But if they keep with some of the mindless antics that we are subjected to more lately, I promise it will be highly tragic for us the viewers. But the big question for me, can a TV love story be great at all. And more importantly, should it even aspire for greatness. Not to be a snob here (I heart television), but somehow the medium itself is so transient, I am not sure about greatness.

BTW, sorry for hogging your comment-space. Anyway, what was your question, again ? :D

Before I leave, I offer this to Khushi and Arnav, from my favourite tragic love story (Wuthering Heights) - "If you ever looked at me once with what I know is in you, I would be your slave."

I guess what I am really saying is this, I am a wuss, so can we have a happy ending, please? Will you kids just have that frikkin conversation? Thanks!

the line from wuthering heights is the one of the best i have read!!!and it really suits them..great post!!!

If thy will show thy confess n love n all thn where is the show with which it starts remeber thy first said it is hate love story nt just a norml lovestory thn wat will be differnce between ths show n other show
khushi she loves him bt don,t want to show as arnav confused her in one sec he behaves well n other sec he will be aoorgant
n i don,t think thy still knw eachother tht thy should confess it is just showing how their relation is developing it is differnent lovestory so let us enjoy the way thy r showing it

I wrote a long reply and IF ate it up, don't you love it...😡

Thanks fr this gr8 insight into a tragic love story.

Originally posted by: ---Pari---

Honestly speaking, I hate tragedies... I read romeo and juliet and I was like, what the hell?!!! It was so dumb! 😆 Anways, haven't read your entire post yet! I just answered to the title! will res for now and edit after reading! 🤗

Originally posted by: tangam

JW,

That was a long well written musing with many sub subjects under the main...with ltd time at my disposal and a hate for the dreaded key board I am going to try and do justice

Tragic love is what fantacies are made of if it were real it would not be a a loe story it would be a tale of woe and tragedy...Reality aside...because there love comes in diff forms and is more often than not mistaken or bipassed because of the misconceptions that precede it. Misconceptions that are fed by fantacies of others...

👏👏👏...thats what these are and after a point the negativity is sapping

Coming to our current show...

A dark hero or anti hero if you may...(the defintion of which I think even the creator is haveing a problem with)..

I am with you that even the makers now seem to be confused whether this is an anti hero or what...given that they came to the bend of his turning for the good so well that now his lapsing into frequent bouts of agrression seem sometimes misplaced.

.A man with attributes any healthy libido will help you frame takes up the fantacy of many a female and male audience... His mistique enigma lending toward a larger than life hero (anti hero) good enough to be worshipped. Its his passion , his tragic story, his battled with his demons.she here is a mere catalyst...

Tangam thank you for saying this, and perhaps it will be more palatable as you clearly belong to the group here that is on the fence for the liking for two of them...If you say the story is from ASR's perspective its taken with slight in this forum...but one should consider that making Khushi's character comic every now and then or interested in all lives apart from hers...is a serious dent into her character board...thats is the simple point ...not ASR vs Khushi

the story is set in the genre of unrequented love. She is meant to be a lovable person with plenty of love to give no holds barred , innocense and purity gaurding her from realisation of the dhak dhaks.

I will respectfully agree to disagree here if you may😊...she knew why she went up that terrace...so then the dhak dhaks now seem a half hearted attempt at innocence by the writers here

Her selfless love a stark antithesis for his passionate one.

and dispite them not able to show the passion required to be leibable for the rating it has so far been nothing but physical and the whole show is based on the sexual tension between the protagonists

So despite the cry for neya soch and family show it is all sold on the sexual fantasies of the audience as percieved of caurse by the cv's and advertising moguls.

So while this love story can be written a different way...then of course it will be a diff love story it is what it is...a tension filled no requentace of sexual tention crackling in the air.

But is that healthy...or even normal amongst todays generation?...its defeating their own mantra of "soch nayi"

What makes it odd is the failure to work within those realms...the cv's and ph feeling the heat too much of thier own fantacy.

I wish they would break out of thier so accustomed film making and dvelve into pictorising in a different less dramatic and less glamorised way. The eye locks need to graduate they were ok when love was new and proximity tabu. Now with all the falling down and lifting up I am sure they have gone beyond that.

Story telling also seems a big problem going for the cliched. The only thing going as of now is the acting and whoever the casting directors were they did a good job.

You are spot on👏👏👏...apart from flashes of brilliance the only thing that seems to be working well now is the leads and an assorted bunch of talented supporting actors who together with the leads bring much more levity than what is intended on paper

So all in all Iike me a dark hero (only in fiction) and even a tragic love story but the story needs to well told. If however as the classics go they both die then the whole story is pointless to me.

Tangam, well said👏👏👏.. the story need to be well told and not skip genres as though they are pizza toppings you can choose😆

.if they are both heading down a precipice than I can say for myself this is not what one needs to watch at the end of everyday...now the answer slapped on this thinking of if one says this is that is dont watch😳...well we all know that...its because somwhere each of us still looks to this story that this perspective is coming off😳

Tragedy does not lie in the death of the charactors but in the death of thier love or the death of what they assum to be thier love.

Beautiful😳...and a bow to your maturity on this😳

Originally posted by: Drwho

It all depends on what plot or plans they started out with. Unfortunately what you and I want to watch may not be what they want to show us. May be we are too discerning an audience and their aspirations are not that high. It is gut wrenching to watch a thing of such beauty crumbling to dust, its like a masterpiece painting being ripped apart by the painter in front of our eyes and we are helplessly watching. 😔