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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: peytonmanning

nice post

what's your take on divorce, how will shlok steer through this obstacle, what changes will he make to secure astha? will he unmask and show his love? but then what about his hate path that he took on SR to have astha take a stand against the rigid customs?

i think the office track will bring them together and since it is EBP this time Shlok and Astha both will openly accept their love for each other. So Shlok will hopefully unmask his love in front of Astha but i think he will continue to wear his mask in front of all others. Previously both were not ready to say that they love each other . Astha will get financial independence as well as NA will have to accept Astha's working when he brings her back. She will also be able to stay or visit her parentsand so it will not be like Anjali who had to cut off all ties with her parents.
Shlok's moves against NA work most of the time but Abhay interferes and causes problems . So then Shlok again has to change his game plan. My guess , but Cvs may show it to be completely wrong though. There will be no divorce as NA will interfere and accept Astha's wishes to get her back also for his baccha as he has to show his baccha that he loves him and does everything for his baccha Shlok.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Suchi,nice analysis. But my take on this is very different. Shlok is a orthodox and evil character because of his regressive environment where someone like NA is his idol. He definitely does not care to protect Astha or have her fit into his family. He might have been attracted to her during kolhapur but his overpowering negative side was able to over come that attraction. I don't even think he loves her yet. Astha has challenged his regressive thinking and indirectly affected his idol, NA , which according to him is a huge sin that deserves to be punished. And that is what he is doing. Astha for me is a carefree young lady that does not put any thought into her actions and it's implications. No wonder shlok was easily able to convince her that he loves her and get married to her, Even after all this she still has not completely fallen out of love with him. So for me EBP is a story of two flawed characters coming together because of their own irrational actions and that is what attracts me to this story.
Let me take this opportunity to say that you write really well and I enjoy reading your posts connecting EBP characters to characters in Mahabharata , though I am not very well versed with it.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Operaqueen

Suchi,nice analysis. But my take on this is very different. Shlok is a orthodox and evil character because of his regressive environment where someone like NA is his idol. He definitely does not care to protect Astha or have her fit into his family. He might have been attracted to her during kolhapur but his overpowering negative side was able to over come that attraction. I don't even think he loves her yet. Astha has challenged his regressive thinking and indirectly affected his idol, NA , which according to him is a huge sin that deserves to be punished. And that is what he is doing. Astha for me is a carefree young lady that does not put any thought into her actions and it's implications. No wonder shlok was easily able to convince her that he loves her and get married to her, Even after all this she still has not completely fallen out of love with him. So for me EBP is a story of two flawed characters coming together because of their own irrational actions and that is what attracts me to this story.

Let me take this opportunity to say that you write really well and I enjoy reading your posts connecting EBP characters to characters in Mahabharata , though I am not very well versed with it.


Thanks a lot OQ for liking my writing . I am not a writer and write some boring scientific articles sometimes when i have to. I can see what you think and your thinking may be justified the way Shlok has been behaving, But then I think Jyoti too said that she know and can see in Shlok's eyes that he loves her . Why is he then saving her every time she is in trouble or her life is in danger? What about the mobile phone episode and telling her that he will not be able to be with her always to protect her? What about his expressions when he was sleeping with her in his room on the night of marraige and again in the jungle? How can we fit those ?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You write really well Suchi.. ( got ur name from Sandy's post) am not too good at analysing... But enjoy ur writing !!! Good job!!!
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Originally posted by: talkie14

You write really well Suchi.. ( got ur name from Sandy's post) am not too good at analysing... But enjoy ur writing !!! Good job!!!

Thanks a lot for appreciating.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks a lot for your comments.
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Thanks dear
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Originally posted by: Sg2013

My thoughts on IPKKNDEPB story upto the 101 espiodes.

Shlok is a complex character brought up in rigid orthodox family with NA being the controller and an extremely rigid man . NA wears the mask of being modern and progressive and good is the one who abuses and gets everything that he wants even at the expense of somebody's life. Shlok has been ditched in love and called selfish. He falls in love again this time with Astha in Kolhapur (the background song says dil samhal ja jara phir mohabbat karane chala hai tu). Tells her later that "meri zindagi ka hissa ho tum, mere jeene ka maksad ho tum".

What is his maksad and why is she a part of his life. He has lost Swati but again has fallen in love with Astha and cannot lose her as he lost Swati. Also tells Astha "uske ghaav abhi tak bhare nahi hai".
What is his maksad? He lost Swati because of his orthodox and rigid family as she was a very modern and independent woman who was not ready to live the oppressed life of Agnihotri women. So his maksad is to make Astha change the rules in his house and remove the oppression of these women and live happily with her. He lived alone after Swati incident, blamed his mother for her mishap , but probably found out that his father was really behind all this. Angry at his mother as she listened to his father and did not fight against him. He now does not want the same thing to happen to Astha that happened to Swati, so wants to secure her, make her safe, be there to protect her constantly , but at the same time make his father feel he is his father's son and all that matter so him is his father. But we have been shown that Shlok has told Astha that all he cares is about Astha and him and he wants them to be together for life as she needs him, he is her wajud ( her conscience) and he loves her and she is his breath. So two people who are inseparable. Sojal and Abhay want them separated for their own selfish interest. Sojal out of jealousy and Abhay so that he will get NA s empire.

I have put this in the perspective of Mahabharat and the Agnihotri family traditions with yagna, worship of the fire god.

Is this the modern Mahabharat that we see in today's society with Shlok as Srikrishna , Astha's Arjun and NA as Dhrutarashtra, Anjali as Gandhari who although being good women has purposefully blindfolded her eyes, reason we do not know yet, even has cut off all her ties with her parents although she is their only child. Abhay as Dhurydhan. His aunt as Dushyasan . Jyoti as Shlok's sister Draupadi, Avadhoot as Pandu, Kalindi as Kunti, a very strong women again, and Varad as Vidur, the minister who always wants the right thing, always loves Arjun but is bound to Hastinapur and so to NA. Varad does not like his baba's way but cannot go against them. Vinayak is Sanjay, the on looker who can see everything and wants a change but does not do anything actually. So is ajju then Bhishma who loves Arjun dearly and so although cannot fight against NA , has full faith in Shlok whom she calls Astha's bodyguard and asks him to help and protect Astha. Sojal is Karna s although she is from the Agnihotris she is on the side of Abhay and causing more harm to both Jyoti (Draupadi) and Astha (Arjun. Will AStha be the won to expose Sojal and cause her debacle? Is Sojal's mom Shakuni, one who is instigating Sojal and Abhay through her. Another sister of Pooja, is she going to be Bheema?

Is this the homa of all the Agnihotri women where we start with a sanklap , Astha our faith, and then says prayers or Shlok and what we put in the homa is Anjali. We start the homa with the blessing of Varad and Vinayak . What is being offered is the sacrifices of Shlok and Astha'a love and the result will be he exposure or destruction of NA. So NA who continued these rigid traditions is destroyed. Is this the yagna od Daksh ( Anjali's father ) where Anjali is Sati and NA as Shiva the destroyer?
I would still like to keep my theory that Shlok does love Astha , wants her to fight the injustice against all the women in his house , be his mother, his sister Jyoti and ? Pooja , Sojal and tai attya and off course Astha and so in the society. So he is Astha's charioteer, who controls her life , guides her and gives her direction on how to fight .Wants to protect her as he knows he is putting her in a very precarious position as she is fighting , he is only steering the chariot in the right direction and wants her to win this game of Adharma (NA , Abhay, Sojal , her mom and Jyoti's MIL) and Dharma ( Shlok, Astha, Jyoti, Vinayak and Varad, Ajju , Avadhoot and Kalindi). As I said before everyone in their house except for Kavya and Astha are wearing masks as of now, but we may see Astha too wearing a mask in front of other but Shlok will unmask himself to Astha and they will be together in this war, although Shlok will always make his father feel that he is supporting him. This is exactly what Srikrishna did in Mahabharat . He made Dhrutarasthtra and Dhuryodhan and all the Kauravas feel that he is on their side as his army was fighting from their side (Adharma)against the Pandavas, but he always took the side of Pandavas and of Dharma.

The show has also shown the different relations of humans in a family and how one can get the rights of all the relations and respect them and make women independent and fight the injustice.

We are seeing two young people fight first against each other till they have trust in each other and give the rights of husband and wife to each other, become a couple in the real sense and then fight for all the others who are oppressed, fight for the right , fight for Dharma.

The CVs have always shown us the tracks that are going to happen and then show the results of them. Shlok had brought Astha blindfolded in his love to this house and then told her that she should always choose him and not Anjali, but Astha did not do that and the result of that was Shlok had to take away his love from Astha and fake hate so that she will try to find out what she wants and hate this household and Anjali and fight against Anjali's traditions which are actually NAs. He did succeed to some extent but lost Astha's love and trust in the process. Now they have shown us what happened in honey moon and most likely same will happen in the jail. We will again see office track where by Astha will become financially independent and work and at the same time both will again come closer, but this time will express their love for each other openly and gain in our trust.

So we will see all the things happening not just Ek baar phir but baar baar phir as said by one of the forum members .So same things again and again but with time, the results are good and progressive. Along with this the CVs have shown us the adharma against women , rape, female feticide, physical and mental abuse of women and to make them financially dependent. Astha will fight against all this and Shlok will help her to pave the way to win this war.

We will see the story unwinding slowly with giving solutions to all the problems. Shlok will also have to mend his ways and learn that although his ways may be different with good intentions they are not always correct and he will have to change them to get his aim.
I would like to give credit to all the forum members who with their contributions have made me come to these conclusions.

These are my thoughts, and all of you have your own and are welcome to express them.


Great post!!! I love your take on this and how to connect this with Mahabharat.
Shlok is definitely a very complex character for sure. His dialogues are also double meaning and sarcastic which we can take it either way we want. He does have some feelings, care,concern for her. My take is he does not understand or does not want to understand his feelings for her. He is already lost in love once. His huge ego prevents it to accept the fact. He is not understanding how much he is losing ie., all her love. This is his story to understand his love for Astha.
For a min let me think that he loves her and he is under hate mask. If he loves and he is doing all this for a purpose then his plan is definitely convoluted. And some of his actions do not explain this plan to me. His emotional black mailing of Astha, his gloating at patipoojan, his monologues (I was actually banking on this to find out his feelings). But in this process isn't he losing Astha's love and her trust on him? He hurt her a lot and is hurting her now too. Poor gal he she is hopelessly in love with him and unable to forget him. When you take others factors in mind like Abhay, Sojal, Jaya and now Kalindi too who are trying to seperate them. He is just totally losing her now with the divorce thing. isn't it??

I for one always thought Shlok is more shrewd and manipulative and want to stick to that. One point is I love Shlok to win over his baba no matter what...I think he is more manipulative than his baba. Look's like Cv's are slowly opening up him for us now. We have to W&W.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very good analysis though I have started watching the show recently really hated to see, how women are treated on indian television .
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