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Posted: 11 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Sg2013

Thanks a lot OQ for liking my writing . I am not a writer and write some boring scientific articles sometimes when i have to. I can see what you think and your thinking may be justified the way Shlok has been behaving, But then I think Jyoti too said that she know and can see in Shlok's eyes that he loves her . Why is he then saving her every time she is in trouble or her life is in danger? What about the mobile phone episode and telling her that he will not be able to be with her always to protect her? What about his expressions when he was sleeping with her in his room on the night of marraige and again in the jungle? How can we fit those ?

I don't think Shlok has regressive thinking. He many times said that he doesn't believe in the traditions. Whenever he followed traditions, it was for his dad. He is somehow not able to speak up against his dad. don't understand why? In one of the beginning episodes he was showing displeasure at Anjali for not allowing Kavya to eat at the dining table. Varad did not do that! His words in the Jyothi issue when Sulbha was outed, also vouch for his non-regressive attitude. He is an angry soul and he has mommy issues. Take college student issue, for example. He did not react extremely until he came to know that the student's name was Anjali. He does think that women are weak and he believes that the women in his life need his protection. All the women in his life happen to bolster his thinking, sadly.

Not everyone that comes from an abusive household becomes abusive.He has issues like inability to solve problems peacefully and alcoholism. Yes, he could be dangerous because of these problems in him. But till now he was able to tame the beast in him.

Regarding Shlok's feelings for Aastha, I think they are pretty strong. I would categorize that as love. One doesn't marry someone for revenge or to protect her. What if another girl happens to humiliate Niranjan? would he marry her too? He does love her, but he doesn't respect her. Aastha didn't give him many reasons for that. She needs to earn it.

disclaimer: i'm not a professional.😃 I'm reading like crazy about domestic violence these days on the net from sites like these http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/effects.htm and thats my understanding😳

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Sg2013

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Posted: 11 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: dsr11

I don't think Shlok has regressive thinking. He many times said that he doesn't believe in the traditions. Whenever he followed traditions, it was for his dad. He is somehow not able to speak up against his dad. don't understand why? In one of the beginning episodes he was showing displeasure at Anjali for not allowing Kavya to eat at the dining table. Varad did not do that! His words in the Jyothi issue when Sulbha was outed, also vouch for his non-regressive attitude. He is an angry soul and he has mommy issues. Take college student issue, for example. He did not react extremely until he came to know that the student's name was Anjali. He does think that women are weak and he believes that the women in his life need his protection. All the women in his life happen to bolster his thinking, sadly.

Not everyone that comes from an abusive household becomes abusive.He has issues like inability to solve problems peacefully and alcoholism. Yes, he could be dangerous because of these problems in him. But till now he was able to tame the beast in him.

Regarding Shlok's feelings for Aastha, I think they are pretty strong. I would categorize that as love. One doesn't marry someone for revenge or to protect her. What if another girl happens to humiliate Niranjan? would he marry her too? He does love her, but he doesn't respect her. Aastha didn't give him many reasons for that. She needs to earn it.

disclaimer: i'm not a professional.😃 I'm reading like crazy about domestic violence these days on the net from sites like these http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/effects.htm and thats my understanding😳

I agree with you Rekha . He is doing everything to have Astha for himself which he told her several times before that he is only thinking of himself and Astha when he said Am I asking too much? I still beleve he knows what Na can be upto so even when he was drunk he told NA that it would be better for Astha to be here , when NA said so.

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Sg2013

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Posted: 11 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Rashmi37
Very good analysis though I have started watching the show recently really hated to see, how women are treated on indian television .

Thanks a lot for your comments.

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Sg2013

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Posted: 11 years ago

#24

I wrote this in lachii's post today. Kind of my ultimate thinking that this show wants to tell the audience.

@suchi in lachii's post about some criticism.

Lovely posts by all of you here. Reading them just now. Great thoughts by all.

Yes a very nice show to help the newer and the older generation to understand the need to trust,love and respect each other and all relations but at the same time not to be blind, judgmental and to allow abuse. To be financially independent , but at the same time understand the values of a family as a unit with its good customs and traditions to stay together. To respect women and elders and not oppress them. To bring up a family in a open society but still instill the good values in the children. To make them understand the right and wrong and be independent and mature. To understand the roles of son , daughter, mother , father, husband , wife, everybody and balance it all in life. An art we all learn slowly as we grow up and such shows open our eyes and make us learn the good and understand the evil to stay away from it.

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Operaqueen

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Posted: 11 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: Sg2013

Thanks a lot OQ for liking my writing . I am not a writer and write some boring scientific articles sometimes when i have to. I can see what you think and your thinking may be justified the way Shlok has been behaving, But then I think Jyoti too said that she know and can see in Shlok's eyes that he loves her . Why is he then saving her every time she is in trouble or her life is in danger? What about the mobile phone episode and telling her that he will not be able to be with her always to protect her? What about his expressions when he was sleeping with her in his room on the night of marraige and again in the jungle? How can we fit those ?

Suchi , are you into research, since you mentioned scientific articles. Me too !

Regarding shlok., his feelings for Astha cannot be classified as love yet maybe there is some attachment but not love, in my opinion.

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jia.astk

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Posted: 11 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Sg2013

Great post!!! I love your take on this and how to connect this with Mahabharat.
Shlok is definitely a very complex character for sure. His dialogues are also double meaning and sarcastic which we can take it either way we want. He does have some feelings, care,concern for her. My take is he does not understand or does not want to understand his feelings for her. He is already lost in love once. His huge ego prevents it to accept the fact. He is not understanding how much he is losing ie., all her love. This is his story to understand his love for Astha.
For a min let me think that he loves her and he is under hate mask. If he loves and he is doing all this for a purpose then his plan is definitely convoluted. And some of his actions do not explain this plan to me. His emotional black mailing of Astha, his gloating at patipoojan, his monologues (I was actually banking on this to find out his feelings). But in this process isn't he losing Astha's love and her trust on him? He hurt her a lot and is hurting her now too. Poor gal he she is hopelessly in love with him and unable to forget him. When you take others factors in mind like Abhay, Sojal, Jaya and now Kalindi too who are trying to seperate them. He is just totally losing her now with the divorce thing. isn't it??

I for one always thought Shlok is more shrewd and manipulative and want to stick to that. One point is I love Shlok to win over his baba no matter what...I think he is more manipulative than his baba. Look's like Cv's are slowly opening up him for us now. We have to W&W.

Thanks and appreciate your views. Do you think then Shlok told Astha that he hates her because he actually hates her for all the apmaan of his baba and his own ego and all he wants is revenge and to make her life miserable. Does he get anything as he is the real loser then. He won' t have Astha , nobody in his house really cares for him, his baba only wants him so that he can manipulate him and increase his empire . All he got then is a satisfaction to his ego that he has crushed a beautiful, simple soul who really loved him. Oh that is disgusting , so I think I still want to believe that he loves her and she will accept his love for her as the CVS showed us previously in one of the episodes.

MY POV why Shlok married Astha: He married her because she called him Rakshas the first day, she rejected his marriage proposal by his dad and told on his face that he has no good qualities and now in front of his whole family she said she cannot live with him, he wanted to keep his revenge in private but she brought it in public. So, to satisfy his EGO he has married her and he wouldn't have done this to any other girl . He is just giving a color of his baba but it is all about him. In the process he developed some feelings/attraction for her but he brushed it off whether it is Kolhapur or Jungle sequence. He doesn't want to acknowledge that. He is a male chauvinistic who thinks women are weak. Yes he did crush a beautiful and gentle soul in this process. He is slowly coming to terms with this and will be redeemed. He does have good qualities too, he has a humane side which Astha brings them out whenever he is with her. And he is failing to understand that himself. But again he loves his sister and niece. Shlok's character intrigues me a lot. If he had a plan before he wanted to use Astha as a puppet to get his work done is my take. So, this is his story again to understand his love for her.

I have written a post before on Shlok's Astha mania or is it not trying to understand his feeling for her after the jungle sequence.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3863814

and that this show is like a chess game who is manipulating who (I could not find that link)

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Sg2013

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Posted: 11 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: asthak

Thanks and appreciate your views. Do you think then Shlok told Astha that he hates her because he actually hates her for all the apmaan of his baba and his own ego and all he wants is revenge and to make her life miserable. Does he get anything as he is the real loser then. He won' t have Astha , nobody in his house really cares for him, his baba only wants him so that he can manipulate him and increase his empire . All he got then is a satisfaction to his ego that he has crushed a beautiful, simple soul who really loved him. Oh that is disgusting , so I think I still want to believe that he loves her and she will accept his love for her as the CVS showed us previously in one of the episodes.

MY POV why Shlok married Astha as of now: He married her because she called him Rakshas the first day, she rejected his marriage proposal by his dad and told on his face that he has no good qualities and now at front of his whole family she said she cannot live with him, he wanted to keep his revenge in private but she brought it in public. So, to satisfy his EGO he has married her and he wouldn't have done this to any other girl . He is just giving a color of his baba but it is all about him. In the process he developed some feelings/attraction for her but he brushed it off whether it is Kolhapur or Jungle sequence. He doesn't want to acknowledge that. He is a male chauvinistic who thinks women are weak. Yes he did crush a beautiful and gentle soul in this process. He is slowly coming to terms with this and will be redeemed. He does have good qualities too, he has a humane side which Astha brings them out whenever he is with her. And he is failing to understand that himself. But again he loves his sister and niece. Shlok's character intrigues me a lot. If he had a plan before he wanted to use Astha as a puppet to get his work done is my take. So, this is his story again to understand his love for her.

I have written a post before on Shlok's Astha mania or is it not trying to understand his feeling for her after the jungle sequence.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3863814

and that this show is like a chess game who is manipulating who (I could not find that link)

@ Suchi Sg2013

I respect your views and you may be right .

All I have to say then is that Shlok is really a fool so caught up in his own emotions and turmoil because he has been rejected in love once that he married astha as she called raakshas and rejected him too like Swati. I thought Swati called him raakshas too and so Astha reminded him of Swati, her bangles also reminded him of Swati and so he broke them in saputana and in kolhapur , and so he was suddenly so angry at Astha.

If what you say is what the cvs want to show then he is actually taking Swati's revenge of leaving him on Astha and I would say that he should not be redeemed. I do not think that this could be his Maksad and his Astha or faith as he called Astha his breath and that Astha had gained his trust for life and he is Astha's conscience( wajud). Then all these sentences and his actions many times cannot be justified.

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dakshaavi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#28

Very we'll analysed suchi .i agree with your thoughts but I personally feel shlok is still not aware who was behind swati issue , he must have known it's not Anjali but not even sure of NA behind it.

I agree with dsr totally shlok wants to bring in revolution in his house with out going against his loving father or hurting him. He wants astha only for love I don't think so why he choose astha to bring in change in A house? Yes I feel before falling in love he saw astha as a strong girl who will fight for rights (ashram incidence) it is then he choose her . The rest falling in love or not marriage is yet to be clarified by c.v.'s . He did fall in love blind fold astha in the mask of love to marry her so that she enters A house this is our thoughts . There were couple of incidence which showed he truly cares for her . Waiting to see lot of things come out open.

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niki795

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Posted: 11 years ago

#29

awesome post
loved it
you explained everything in one post

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Sg2013

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Posted: 11 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: dakshaavi
Very we'll analysed suchi .i agree with your thoughts but I personally feel shlok is still not aware who was behind swati issue , he must have known it's not Anjali but not even sure of NA behind it.
I agree with dsr totally shlok wants to bring in revolution in his house with out going against his loving father or hurting him. He wants astha only for love I don't think so why he choose astha to bring in change in A house? Yes I feel before falling in love he saw astha as a strong girl who will fight for rights (ashram incidence) it is then he choose her . The rest falling in love or not marriage is yet to be clarified by c.v.'s . He did fall in love blind fold astha in the mask of love to marry her so that she enters A house this is our thoughts . There were couple of incidence which showed he truly cares for her . Waiting to see lot of things come out open.

After reading all your posts, I feel may be all of you are right and I might have put our flawed, complex, confused, grey, dejected in love, male chauvinist Mr Shlok who decepted a simple girl Astha in very good light that he does not deserve. I hope the CVs prove me right, then at least my mahabharat theory would be right, otherwise all my assumptions and theories will be wrong and I will have to start again.

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