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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Hriju321

Awesome post AY. The great wall of Shivaay Singh Oberoi is down;stabbed by his own dysfunctional family. But the Phoenix will rise from the ashes. Till then the deluded family will realise what calamity they called in themselves and the day will come when they will beg the wall to come and protect them in warmth again!


A standing ovation to Nakuul Mehta,Leenesh Mattoo,Nitika Anand Mukherjee 👏



Thanks, Hriju :)


Yes, the Great Wall finally came crumbling today, having to deal with the reality of failing the very family he did so much to protect all these years...but the wall had to crumble one day...only to rebuild in a stronger manner with time...with a stronger neenv this time by his side.


Shivaay needs to learn that he has to take Anika with him every step of the way going forward...the wall had to crumble for him to realize this...now he has to face that fallacy and Anika will help him in rebuilding in a stronger manner, as a team, not just by himself.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL sorry guys, didn't have the time to do gifs yet...maybe later I can post some :) Aaj I had more words to get out of my system than gifs😆




LOL I never said this isn't in-character for Jhanvi...but I was just marveling at the level of ruthlessness she too is capable of when she was always projected as the "sweeter" one compared to Pinky...but today we saw that the Oberoi apples don't fall far from their trees...every Oberoi by default has the ruthless gene in them.


What I marveled at today was that I didn't feel EMPATHY for Jhanvi...absolutely zero...and no, not just cuz she was causing pain to Shivaay...no, even Pinky has done that many times and STILL in a weirdly twisted way, I could understand her motivations...Jhanvi just leaves me underwhelmed...a pitiful creature caving in at the first sign of anything that helps feed her insecurity about Shivaay getting one up on her REAL sons...to see her bring up the "tumhaare SAGE bhai nahin hain" taana today...lol so much for ppl thinking only Pinky was capable of doing apna paraya like that...Jhanvi has lost all moral high ground today...Badi Maa, Chhoti Maa...ek jaisi maayein...lol end of the day both of them came down to the same level in their desperation to protect the "rights" of their sons.


well Jhanvi has always been selfish😆 and was always a very weak character. just she supposedly had more "class" than pinky,
she was a mother who never cared about her own sons for years when she was drunk, then she committed suicide when Tej wanted to leave her for the nth time, truth be she does love her sons but her life has and will always revolve around Tej.
but agree about the paraya thing because SSO has always treated Jhanvi and Pinky alike, and sometimes he has even given more respect to Jhanvi... funny is throwing SSO out, Tej has done worst and yet she has always pleaded Tej to return back or pleaded Om to forgive his father😆

funny is what does this solve? i mean what does she get if SSO leaves OM? 😆 Svet will torture them even more now😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Awesome post 😊 Svetlana knew exactly where to strike, she knew all along the dynamics of this dysfunctional family! Sure Tej may have contributed to the Oberoi group a lot and Om is a self made millionaire but when they say Shivaay is the Great Wall of Shivaay it's not because he was responsible for taking the business to new heights or whatever , but because he is the emotional anchor for this family, otherwise this family would've broken down long time ago, Om would've left the house getting angry with Tej, Tej's personal life was a mess anyway! One can see everything collapsing like a pack of cards without that Great Wall ! Performance wise the entire cast was awesome this week 👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Have to add (even though I was bored with the Svet overdose at the start of the week! 😆) - Reyhna is doing a fab job as Svet who is totally using all the weak points of the Oberois!

HS ka OBro+Oberoi counter/checkmate hopefully will be as impactful! 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Wonderful post.. 👏Have enjoyed this week's episodes a lot, and after reading this post am eager to watch today's episode!

This track is well executed.. Brilliantly Acted.. The CVs are finally utilizing the potential of the ensemble talented cast.. 👏

I agree blackmail(however repetitive/contrived it is) is not the point of this track.. It was just a move.. Billu took Anika and OmRu into confidence(semi-truth).. but Billu miscalculated and did not consider the older Oberois.. their insecurities.. their reactions.. and hence, he lost this game!

The aftermath of this track can be a learning curve for all characters.. because all their weakness.. all their flaws.. all their insecurities are out in the open.. No one has been spared.. Karma is judging each and every one of them for their past action and laying the foundation for their future based on their decisions at present...

I am kind of excited about how CVs take this forward... but dialing down my expectation as well.. 😆😆

P.S. Will try to write another essay after watching the episode.. there are quite a few things worth discussing.. :)

P.P.S NM has been absolutely brilliant! A proud proud proud fan here.. NM deserves all the praises being showered upon him.. The way he keeps on improving in each track is commendable! 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Wonderful post.. 👏Have enjoyed this week's episodes a lot, and after reading this post am eager to watch today's episode!


This track is well executed.. Brilliantly Acted.. The CVs are finally utilizing the potential of the ensemble talented cast.. 👏

I agree blackmail(however repetitive/contrived it is) is not the point of this track.. It was just a move.. Billu took Anika and OmRu into confidence(semi-truth).. but Billu miscalculated and did not consider the older Oberois.. their insecurities.. their reactions.. and hence, he lost this game!

The aftermath of this track can be a learning curve for all characters.. because all their weakness.. all their flaws.. all their insecurities are out in the open.. No one has been spared.. Karma is judging each and every one of them for their past action and laying the foundation for their future based on their decisions at present...

I am kind of excited about how CVs take this forward... but dialing down my expectation as well.. 😆😆

P.S. Will try to write another essay after watching the episode.. there are quite a few things worth discussing.. :)

P.P.S NM has been absolutely brilliant! A proud proud proud fan here.. NM deserves all the praises being showered upon him.. The way he keeps on improving in each track is commendable! 😊


@bold Exactly!! I am still wondering what did ShivOmRu discuss which was muted for audience 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Aaj thoda timing miss ho gaya hehe but aati hoon for full reactions

Abhi ke liye just happy to see you making a MF post

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kahan se shru karoon i think i have said kaafi kuch in replies but phir bhi whatever abhi mere mind main aa raha hai in a random order

sabse pehle while watching the episode i have these lines playing in my head but yes i wanted to sing it for shivaay


waqt chalta hi rehta hai rookta nahi ek pal me ye aage nikal jaata hai aadmi theek se dekh paata nahin aur parde pe manzar badal jaata hai

this is exactly what happened before he could process and react accordingly parde me manzar badal gaya


1 mistake was all it took for jhanvi to treat him like shit not only that go onto call him a Dushman. i was okay with her saying ke shivaay saga nahi hai bhi in a way ke haan fact hai ke they are cousin brothers at end of the day doesn't matter ke shivaay ne hamesha sagon se bhadh kar pyar kia hai made them his priority did everything by keeping them ahead of himself but this is what he gets and mind you even this he is only doing to save their ass at the end of the day. People are saying how is this any better then having the video leaked? well it is better if you think about it caz with 50% to himself he could've still kept the family together thoda kam hota paisa but the brothers could've shared & mind you shivaay ko ek sec na lagta share karne main infact woh khud apne liye kam rakhta and inko zayda deta while if the video gets leaked they might go into bankruptcy sadak pe aa jayein rato raat not only tej but the entire clan including shivaay toh practical kya sound karta hai yahan ? anyway woh toh ek aur hi topic hai abhi toh this is painful ke how shivaay ki 100 qurbaniyan and achayian went down the drain and he is given the tag of being a dushman😭😭

yeah that hurts me so much

Pinky was so so so bang on with every word she said i already posted my thoughts on her in other posts

Originally posted by: AreYaar

A tremendous week in Ishqbaaz was capped today with a powerfully emotional episode as the family disintegrates before Daadi's eyes. that is the worst thing she was made to witness iss age main har family going all poof in front of her the fact that she was pushed too and no one realized unki umar ka bhi koi lihaaz nahi and her line really got to me about abhi toh billu ghar main hai toh yeh haal hai abhi toh he did not even step out imagine once he is out. it hit home because sadly i've witnessed something similar years ago on my mom's side of family and so many years later never fully recovered from it and i've seen my own granny suffer toh yeah that part i am touchy about very touchy

Too many powerful moments to count today but I'd like to make a note of the ones that especially stood out to me yes i am just in aweee i watched it again and yes *salute to the whole team for this amazing execution so far of this track*


1) Shivaay saying that he was willing to give his life for the promise he gave to Jhanvi, leaving the house is but a small price...this, after he was initially shocked to hear her ask this of him...but willing to reconcile to it even then...even getting up to start walking away...until Tej's critical condition made him turn back again. his walk man😭😭😭 Great great job with the body language ek dum bikhra shivaay waiting to go find some lone time and break down but not even being able to do that caz abhi time nahi hai to let loose abhi bhi he has to be the adult call the dr despite all this mess and take responsibility 😕


2) Rudy's constant interjections asking his Mom to stop, telling her it's not Shivaay fault, but Svetlana's, but she was beyond reason...even after Daadi pointed out that she's gone mad. chote hone ka disadvantage nobody was allowing him to talk shivaay was trying to calm him down by constantly patting his shoulders and jhanvi wouldn't even let him open his mouth how much i felt for him and his helplessness too ke aap samjh nahi rahin but so good to see him still atleast raising his voice for his bhai


3) The way Shivaay would rush to stop Rudy each time from blowing up at Jhanvi...putting his hand on Rudy's shoulder to calm him down...the pain in Shivaay's body language here as he could feel everything falling apart, barely hanging on by a thread, his growing worry for Rudra too hanging on by a thread, about to explode yup fully agree


4) Shivaay pleading with Jhanvi to let him see Tej one last time but Jhanvi continued to act more ruthless in her pain...Rudy growing more and more agitated by the minute over her treatment of Shivaay and Shivaay still trying to calm Rudy down when he ended up folding his hands yeah man kal se ro rahi hoon they've given it such a nice buildup to it and shivaay ki voice his eyes he was dying a 1000 times inside . NM deserves so many awards just for this 👏 he really ahs set new standards and i cannot stop saying it


5) Pinky's anguish...what a moment...I must say Nitika Anand OWNS this character so brilliantly and she proves it time and again...this is the Pinky who's done many terrible things in the course of this story and yet she's the one I felt worse for today than Jhanvi...that's the power of a great actor...the way she pleaded to Shivaay to not listen to anyone asking him to leave, berating him for doing so much for this family all these years, treating his Badi Mom like his own Mom and then getting this in return...Pinky's anguish there was really heartfelt...

gosh i felt so much for pinky yahani am sorry i just cannot cannot hate her this si how good NA is and her tadap for her beta was so genuine

Also noteworthy was the near trance Shivaay was in...grappling with the reality of now having to leave, even as he is given pause by all the infighting that has now broken out in the family...and this is where the above lyrics fit

aadmi theek se dekh paata nahi and parde pe manzar badal jaata hai that was that moment



The togetherness of this family has always been a mirage only held together by the thread known as "Main Sab Theek Kar Dunga" Shivaay Singh Oberoi...today we got to see the "elders" of this family (a.k.a Jhanvi) act like children who were denied their fav. toy so they demand that no one show them their faces until that fav. toy is produced. i guess calling them elders is an insult to elders this is not how adults behave esp the way jhanvi reacted to all of it


The way she berated Shivaay and taunted him that he always promised that he would fix everything so THIS is how he has fixed everything today? The way she blasted him for not fixing things this time so now he must leave? LOL and what a watershed moment it was then for Shivaay...he had to face the possibility for the first time in his life of NOT being able to eventually fix everything...that has been the only running faith in his life...that he will find a way to protect his family, keep them from harm...he has done terrible things to keep his family from harm...but still ultimately managed to succeed...today he faced that ultimate failure...but more than the failure, it was the PRICE of that failure that was striking. shivaay ka i failed brought tears to my eyes he acknowledged he did and how ? this is teh guy who neever said sorry aaj acknowledging ke kitna bada mess kar dia hai. again you have said it so beautifully mere paas add karne ke liye zyada hai hi nahi am gettign emotional

For here was the family he did everything for, now demanding their pound of flesh for his failure of not living up to their expectations...and so Shivaay reaches a stage in life where he has to learn some lessons, face some home truths:


1) Putting all responsibility on a single person is never a long term successful plan no matter how capable you consider yourself alone of handling all problems in this world


2) Nurturing impossible expectations of you from your family only leaves them SPOILT and incapable of dealing with reality which will consist of failures many times...here's a family that was more than happy to give you credit for fixing things all these years but will be the first to throw you out if you can't fix things



I see a lot of ppl saying this track is moot cuz the premise of the blackmail is silly. I would have to disagree...the blackmail is hardly the point of this track...the larger issue is something else...this is about exposing the underlying rifts that have long existed in this family...Ppl have blamed a Pinky alone all this time for being the one sowing bitterness in the family...but today we have a Jhanvi who proved that she was always weak-minded, insecure, and quite willing to throw Shivaay under the bus if he didn't fix things.


I see no one else in the family stepping up to take responsibility...it's oh so much easier to scapegoat the only guy who's taken responsibility all these years...and that is an interesting premise to watch unfold...the blackmail is not even the point.



And finally coming to the last Shivaay-Rudra scene which so palpably depicted that feeling of the walls crumbling around the brothers...three bodies, one soul feeling torn apart by forces beyond their control and trying desperately to hang on in their own ways...that was Rudra today...desperately making a final plea to Shivaay while Shivaay was trying to keep his composure, even though he could see the upcoming consequences...but ultimately cornered by his own promises, his own characteristics...admitting defeat for not being able to handle things so now having to pay the price.


The reason Shivaay has to pay this price is because he still takes the onus and burden of responsibility, even while going down in defeat...and the irony is that some ppl in the family like Tej and Jhanvi so ruthlessly DEMAND that price of him...but he will pay it gladly...because that is who Shivaay is.


+1 to everything mentioned here esp bold


Tremendous performances from the cast this week, but I'd especially note NM who has been phenomenal 👏👏, along with Nitika Anand, MT, and Lee (who was really good in his scenes today), and SC who spoke a lot with her eyes this week...major props to Director Saab for fantastic direction as well👏👏

ABSOLUTELY and they proved with this week of episodes why they are getting all accolades this year why they are the best show best actor and best actress i would add best ensemble bhi esp the senior oberois and NITIKA ANAND. that woman doesn't allow me to hate pinky even if want too & i seriously wish i could let each one of them know how BRILLIANT THEY ALL WERE esp, the names mentioned here



also want to end this with these lines for jhanvi

aankh dhoka hai kya bharosa hai suno dosto shak dosti ka dushman hai apne dil me ise ghar banane na do kal tadapna pade yaad me JinKi rok lo roothkar unko jaane na do baad me pyaar ke chahe bhejo hazaroon salaam woh phir nahi aate


watch out woman who knows what tomorrow holds? agar tumhara bada beta chala gaya woh bhi aise toh pata nahi tumhein waqt kya rang dikhaye. already tumhare karam tumhari beti bhi jhel rahi hai somewhere in USA

Edited by naadanmasakalli - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Amazing post as usual AY:)

I watched only today's episode of this week and had only read updates of remaining episodes but I am not able to connect with Jahnavi' character right now😕,i mean I am not getting her POV😕,i asked in other threads also,some people justifying jahnavi's actions like she is justified from her POV and all😕, hardly one member there saying there is no logic in jahnavi's actions which I agree with😆.
If shivay is selfish and not faithful why would he give importance to jahnavi's promise and leave OM without having any interest in his money if half of shares and half of OM on his name ?😕 what would Shivay get by simply insulting omru in conference if finally he is the one leaving 😕 and Why wouldn't he throw Tejvi out if there are no shares in property and no share in OM on their name after transferring to swetlana if he is selfish?😕How couldn't jahnavi think all this about Shivay?😕
With what right she is asking him to leave OM if half of OM belongs to him?So officially Tejvi now have no right on OM na?Then instead of they going out,why is she asking Shivay to leave?😕If he transfer his shares on Tejvi/omru after leaving OM,then they still believe Shivay is not faithful and didn't ask him to come again?😕Am not getting Jahnavi's actions and POV here,😕Cvs doesn't need to show logic,atleast they should give little bit of justification of character atleast from her POV na😕,
If they show her selfish I still appreciate Cvs but why they are showing her as dumb?🥱Its better to show a character a selfish than dumb😆 to make it interesting.

So Shivay leaving OM with guilty of his deeds leading to Tej heartattack acc to Jahnavi?😕 I am not getting her POV,someone Pls tell me if you are getting it😆

Eventhough Shivay was dumb in his previous blackmail sessions,this time I will give him benefit of doubt until they reveal the reason of blackmail before calling him dumb this time😆 but whatever may be the reason he is selfless and loved omru is the universal fact nobody can deny it.

Edit:Now only saw your comments regarding Jahnavi on second page AY,i agree with what you are saying there,i was banging my head since morning regarding this Jahnavi thing that why so many people are justifying her actions in today's episode😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Anu, I had secretly wished for you to open a thread today. Thank you Anu.🤗
Tremendous week indeed.

Disclaimer:
I am not talking of the episode in general because I am leaving out the reactions of certain other characters. So this is not an episode discussion.
I have my own disagreements to whether Shivay as a character should go this length and protect his family. So there are disappointments. Hence, this not appreciation(s) post. Also, I am talking about 3-4 characters and hence, cannot put the discussion in one actor's AT.


With the above clarification...
I have loved the past episodes with emotions right on point and no dragging. I'll just talk about few scenes that touched me.

Press conference
Loved NM's variations/voice modulation as Shivay speaks about Om and Ru not handling the family business and why they do not deserve to retain their shares. Yes, he is forced to say things about his brothers he wouldn't have even imagined about in his wildest dreams or worst nightmare.
In spite of what he mouthed as per Svet's instructions, there is immense love. Despite the harshness , he manages a little smile, along with a wave of the hand when he stresses on the syllable...Ommm...dil se sochta hai, dimaag toh jaise hai hi nahi. Shivay at that moment is still in awe of Om's inherent tendency to think as per what his heart longs for ( viewer's take note that this is as per the initial Om's characterization on paper). That little smile is for his brother's ability in doing so. The little wave of hand there shows his exasperation that the world ( read Tej and the likes of Svet) does not find that quality endearing or of value.

When he talks of Ru, he mouths as instructed, paise, parties, girls being his life. Woh apna padhai sambhaale, yehi kaafi hai "humare liye. That' humare liye' is his personal viewpoint. The hum' here being Shivay himself, Dadi, Om, even Anika) are expecting from him, that he manages his studies well at college.

He was totally not in control of the situation; he had uttered words with such harshness. The cold ruthless self he had to keep up when he was dying a thousand deaths within. Absolutely love the finale to the press conference. When he fights back tears and faces the media waiting to pounce on him . That shake of his head to the press... " Yes I am ready, any further questions? The choking "Hmmm??? Filled with anger, desperation, helplessness, that was so heart breaking. If not, then please leave!!!.

I must say NM has become very effective in using his eyes to get the emotion across, way much better from the initial episodes of IB. The aftermath of such devastating, self detrimental press conference was shocking to him to say the least. When Tej and Pinky had their public showdown leading to Tej's heart attack', Shivay was too numbed to see what the situation had led to and his family further collapsing right before his eyes.

Amazing it was. It was a real high point in yesterday's episode. Another I'd mention is Anika spells it out to him that his silence is being misinterpreted. She uses sab', though it was only Tej accusing him at that point in time.

Crumbling family.
Rightly so as Dadi said, the mere mention of him leaving OM itself has started to disintegrate the pretense of the joint family he promised his Dadi.
The faade of the family's so called trust was fast disappearing right in front of him. Svet knows everyone's weakness , she knows them inside out. How conveniently she told Shivay that her work is done, now HIS family will see to it that HE is humiliated or tortured. I think Shivay has never felt this helpless till date. Even during the separation Anika forced on him, he was still deciding what needs to be done. Here he is just a pawn. The best thing is that Shivay still owning 50% shares has never mentioned that he would not provide for the entire family because he does not differentiate between the two families. It's Tej (and now Jhanvi) who has forever had the insecurity that Shivay will usurp everything that belongs to their OWN children too.

NM was fantastic in the scene where he folds his hand to visit Tej JUST once. Heart breaking!!!

Rudra
What do I say, such situations force people to grow up overnight. Funny though that his family is falling apart, his wife has gone searching for his so called love interest. I wasn't happy that he was tipping 1 lakh for a 10lacs bike when half their property is gone, ghar is almost neelam, BUT!!
Lee was fabulous in Rudra's scene with Shivay. Loved that moment where he raises his voice at his brother for even thinking about leaving them and immediately apologises saying Ok ,Sorry, I shouldn't have done that. And Shivay's heleplessness, protective of him, yet literally begging him, gusse mei hi sahi that he now needs to manage this family. The anger, the frustration, the tears, the requests, the pleads, the hug.

Man!!!! So they are capable of such emotion packed writing too. Nitika, Mahesh Thakur have individually been so fabulous throughout. Pinky is wrong and right too. How do you place your feelings for her: with her or against her?

Whenever the ARC to this happens, I am just worried who would have to clear Shivay's name. When Pinky was exposed, Shivay cleared Anika's name and took pride in his wife's and brothers' love for him. Ab Anika can't do the same in this situation. It's left for Om or Ru only. I wish the emotions in that episode are just as good. Warna !!!!

There was a time I used to wish for a light hearted scene in a show I used to watch because it was forever filled with negativity. Now I am loving this drama than the fillers.
I just hope they don't retain Shivika in another portion of OM to be tortured day in and out. And though I believe Om and Ru should only excel in their field of interest, I would want the family of Tej to understand that Shivay is THE BUSINESSMAN for a reason. Everyone can't do everything. And for the empire to stand, Shivay has to be around. I would like to see more of Shivay and Tej. Good actors, both of them. Why not explore and utilize?

IB, bring it on.
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Originally posted by: Felicity1234


well Jhanvi has always been selfish😆 and was always a very weak character. just she supposedly had more "class" than pinky,
she was a mother who never cared about her own sons for years when she was drunk, then she committed suicide when Tej wanted to leave her for the nth time, truth be she does love her sons but her life has and will always revolve around Tej.
but agree about the paraya thing because SSO has always treated Jhanvi and Pinky alike, and sometimes he has even given more respect to Jhanvi... funny is throwing SSO out, Tej has done worst and yet she has always pleaded Tej to return back or pleaded Om to forgive his father😆

funny is what does this solve? i mean what does she get if SSO leaves OM? 😆 Svet will torture them even more now😆


Class? Well I personally call it ghunna and such people are more dangerous pinky jaisi bhi hai jo uske mann main hota hai woh zabaan pe and I appreciate that she never tried to hide her dislike for anika when she had issues she always went all out and still going to protect Shivaay so fiercely no matter whether he reciprocated the live for her or no. Shivaay being cold to pinky is not new at all for pinky or for us he was always distinct and that is why pinky craved whatever little attention that he used to give her after anika came and became so evil and vile to actually cut anika off and threw her our.uske evilness main bhi reason Tha ek desperation thi ek psycopanti thi
+nitika ji is such a fab fan actress even in those days I could never hate her and be like this woman kI sight is giving me barf wali feeling I could atleast try and understand her selfishness her stupidity and why she was beingRuthless


while sorry in jhanvi's case all I see is a nashukri ghunni aurat eliminating the one person who didso.much for them all his life just caz now she got a reason by chance it just felt like that was always the aim of jhanvi and all that meethapan was a farce. I mean here we have a woman whodoesn't even object at him saying over and over that I am willing to give my jaan like really? if she ever loved him and considered him her son than no mother can hear their children say such things even in a joke she literally smiled the other day at that and todaybhi she almost asked for his jaan agar iske bas main hota and he would've given it in a blink. She could've easily been like no jaan nahi chahiye go away but nahi she is like yeah for all i care go die that only will make thefuture of my children secure. It was kike she was waiting for thatmoment.kehte hain na Mauke kI taak main thi yup that was the feeling I got. The way she tried to get rid of Shivaay and all apna paraya. Saga sautela yeah ok zero sympathy from my end and I really dislike you


And I Want Svet To Torture her And Her Realizing The GooF Up Of ThRowingShivaay out Caz Let's Face It We All Know Her Sons Are not capable of handling such situations bit h if them need shivaay fir everything from serving them shakes to getting their wives for them And they Can't Save ANYTHING


I want her to go and beg to Shivaay to come back and Shivaay to then be like sorry badi maa am notyour saga why should I?

But I know yehhoga nahi s..o
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