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EnasZ

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Posted: 7 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: AYUSHIVISHU
it's about bad execution of the track yar...
this raaz track is very interesting and it will be superb if they execute it rightly...
Annika or family...it had been a question all the time and we all know how shivaay is... he is the great Wall and he will always choose his family first and Annika also wishes that but the real problem is why shivaay doesn't said all things to Annika... actually this track should have been introduced sometimes after shivika wedding... we can't completely blame viewers for bashing shivaay because the vows..promises..confession. ... shivaay had given was deeply imprinted in fan's mind and next day he brings a new women and saying she is his wife in front of media... it was a shock yar... people doesn't got time to process anything and think accordingly... the only thing everyone remember was his promises and next day bringing a new girl... he was missing for 15 days... and most of the fan's completely lost it... wat ever it is they could have avoided the declaration in front of media...that is exactly wat triggered most of them and the comedy it between... its enjoyable but I really think if they showed some intense scenes before that then it would have been brilliant...its a fictional show but the truth is we all relate it to our life and we want to see how same reaction from them also...we didnt getting wat shivaay is thinking...that's the problem... shivaay is not showing his desperation and guilt for hurting her... and wat they showing is he is so desperate in getting that proof and for that pushing away Annika...
its wat they are showing...from this is wat the family v/s Annika started...

i think when the time will come and the practical decision would be to choose Annika he will

as for y not telling her as i said in post...keep her safe and away from the plan

the wife declaration was needed to make annika out (as many girls said they would've left if that happened with them) here annika proves y her trust is different and y shivika are strong

as for shivaay..as i said the lack of angst in his choice...and lack of angst in missing annika...the lack of angst in this track in general has killed it's essance

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EnasZ

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Posted: 7 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: DarkPhoenix93
Beautifully put Enas!
I never got the Annika vs Family discussions because for me Annika is part of the family and Shivaay always puts family before himself. Like Aashti said, in real life if the media gets wind of even a rumour of Oberois setting fire to their factory and building their empire on insurance money that will be the end of the Oberois. So I don't blame Shivaay for the choice he made.

I had a problem with Tanya being called a wife. They attempted to explain that yesterday. Abhay wants to create problems between Shivaay and Annika because they are each other's takat so this wife thing is to cause those problems. It's another uestions about how and why this random guy knows that they are each other's takat...

My problem with this track is the poor execution of it. You know that I have said from the beginning that Shivaay's POV needs to be shown for this to work. They needed to show his pain, anger and helplessness about the situation he is in. They needed to show Annika's anger and pain at having to act as if she is separated from her husband. They needed to show Shivaay's pain and anger at seeing Annika's pain. But they are not showing these emotions! They are slipping to comedy mode again like they did after merger and that is causing the disconnect that many are feeling!

I adore that fact that ShivIka can do comedy as well as they can do emotional scenes but these days all of their scenes are being made into comedy and that is making me angry! They should have shown them emotional or given them an emotional scene yesterday where they could have talked but they switched to comedy again!

This could be a good track if done well with a potential for good emotional scenes but they are pushing comedy into everything again and in the process undermining the 2 wonderful characters that I fell in love with!

exactly vyshu...terrible execustion...they're not clowns to exist only to have comedy scenes

it ruins the essence of the whole pain thing...does these 2 look like they haven't seen each other for 15 days.

they look like it was 15 minutes only...where's the intensity...Shivika are doing comedy even in serious situations 😕😕

which is ruining everything..every track could've been wonderful but always turns to comedy at the wrong time🥱

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shalu

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Posted: 7 years ago

#23

My only problem with this track is the way things are handled between Shivika. Raaz isn't an issue and it's very intriguing plot and if handled well can close lots of loops hanging open right now. First of all the public declaration of wife didn't go down well with me at all,that too right after the grand Shivika wedding, to me this part seemed ill timed. Secondly, as much as I enjoy Annika's quirks n comic timing I think I found comedy ill timed as well. Why do they turn every serious situation into a comedy scene. I would want a deeper insight into Shivaay's POV and Annika giving him an earful regarding not telling her the problem. I have no problem with the choice that he made, but when he told Annika I was just trying to protect my family I found something missing there. Annika should have immediately said this is my family as well and how could you not make me a part of decision. There was no account of 15 days,Shivaay's guilt or angst about leaving her on wedding night wasn't shown at all. So my problem is the execution n comedy when I don't actually want that.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

I'm not going to get into a Shivaay v/s Anika...the simple point is that execution MATTERS...why is the audience expected to themselves extrapolate based on past examples and make excuses for the behavior of the characters when the actual execution of the "track" and scenes is a fail?

Shivaay's reaction to Anika's pleas and trying to remind him of their vows and what being PARTNERS means was CRUCIAL bit...but such underwhelming reactions from Shivaay made it fall flat...on top of that, the rush to slapstick comedy degraded it all further.

In a simple sentence, last week was an execution fail for whatever this "track" is supposed to be for Shivika...starting from a half-baked fake ML to fake wife to now supposed investigation of some chindi raaz.

I also disagree with the people saying that editing has improved...how? The hug in the dark room was so poorly edited with intercuts to Tanya creeping around...and it seemed like there were more dialogues in that scene that were abruptly cut short...and then the rest of the week didn't capitalize on momentum at a good pace either...and my focus is specifically on Shivika...I don't care what's happening with the rest...but Shivika-wise this was not a good week.

This "track" only has potential if emotions are correctly handled...which they aren't being so far...seems writer madam is distracted elsewhere.

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The Learner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#25

@Enaz

I appreciate your detailed post but I didn't find those pin point details in the execution,they left everything to us to assume.

Anika's hurt when he was acting fake ML and declaring new chic as his wife is not less than any danger he was mentioning to Anika,That pain may be more than any danger,he should have taken her into confidence and should tell her he was faking.

He can romance her without any fear of getting caught but couldn't reveal the truth to her before Anika pleading.

Showing Shivay's POV and regret equal to Anika pain is very much crucial here which was missing😕.Anika didn't even ask him where he was for 15 days such an execution mess🥱

Why the writer have to bring third angle in each and every track of Shivika?we were already fed up of fake fiancees now fake wives.,That Tanya do nothing just stare like bhootni standing between Shivika .Why the writer had choosen Anika why not other family members to separate from shivay😆 only to stall their SR Wah! What a writing man👏!

Sorry yaar I went out of topic of discussion,but I have to bring the writer in all this mess who is the main creator of this mess!

if All the points which you mentioned showed by CVs,all this mess which diluting essence of shivika would not have happened yaar!

Edited by ...Nihara... - 7 years ago

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The Learner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: AreYaar
I'm not going to get into a Shivaay v/s Anika...the simple point is that execution MATTERS...why is the audience expected to themselves extrapolate based on past examples and make excuses for the behavior of the characters when the actual execution of the "track" and scenes is a fail?

Shivaay's reaction to Anika's pleas and trying to remind him of their vows and what being PARTNERS means was CRUCIAL bit...but such underwhelming reactions from Shivaay made it fall flat...on top of that, the rush to slapstick comedy degraded it all further.

In a simple sentence, last week was an execution fail for whatever this "track" is supposed to be for Shivika...starting from a half-baked fake ML to fake wife to now supposed investigation of some chindi raaz.

I also disagree with the people saying that editing has improved...how? The hug in the dark room was so poorly edited with intercuts to Tanya creeping around...and it seemed like there were more dialogues in that scene that were abruptly cut short...and then the rest of the week didn't capitalize on momentum at a good pace either...and my focus is specifically on Shivika...I don't care what's happening with the rest...but Shivika-wise this was not a good week.

This "track" only has potential if emotions are correctly handled...which they aren't being so far...seems writer madam is distracted elsewhere.

I wanted to know your POV and searched for your post but didn't find😆,t hank God you also felt the same way I thought I am the only one cribbing about the episode😆

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blackorwhite

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Posted: 7 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: EnasZ
2nd issue: why didn't Shivaay tell Annika about BM?

now let's see..when the video was first shown to him.He refused to be BMed...and left...what happened? They got him into an accident and took him away for 15 days...15 days that no one managed to know anything about him...so there are 2 ways to look at it:

1)What Shivaay said about him fearing for Annika's life makes sense

if they can do this just because he refused to listen to them...what will they do to Annika if she actually gets in the way of their plans...Tia, Mrs. Kapoor were known enemies...here the enemy isn't even known and can go to any extent

2)He is treating Annika like family...He always asks the family to stand behind him in case of problems...And he is doing the same with Annika

If Shivaay is doing what everyone wants him to do..treat Annika like family..then y there are people who are upset that he didn't tell her?

Finally, That's y I didn't think this week's episodes were bad or ruined any character or progression in any way...They behaved the way they always do...The difference is we love to choose sides and that's y we expect Shivaay/Annika to choose sides...As in Shivaay choosing her always and Annika choosing herself

I'm one of those who has issue with Shivaay hiding this ML from them.. I have a bigger issue because he dismissed Anika when she questioned...

paraded a fake wife... expected Anika to understand him without any explanation(at this stage in their relationship, I find this disrespectful to their relationship)..

Faking an ML, when he knows she is scared of losing him...

Even when she pleaded... begged...cried... Shivaay did not tell her... Tried to avoid the topic.. She had to say ILU...she had to remind him of the vows...She had to force him to talk..

Keeping Anika in the dark, puts her in more danger because he knows Anika... she does not give up.. She will try to get to the bottom of the whole thing...and doing that on her own is more dangerous..

Not something I expect from Shivaay...

He should have made the first attempt to give her a hint that he is under duress.. An Oye-Oye would have been enough for me.. Even a failed attempt by Shivaay would have worked.. But something...

Last weeks episodes did impact Shivaay's evolution... I don't find his words credible anymore... He should practice what he preaches.. If I criticized Anika for not coming to Shivaay when Pinky blackmailed, then we need to call out Shivaay when he does the same as well.. especially when he said things like these:

Unfortunately, for me, the past tracks make it impossible for me to accept Shivaay's reactions to this blackmail and in this track.. *sigh*

As far as family vs Anika is concerned.. I don't judge all relationship with the same yardstick..So, I don't think he choose Family over Anika.. because Anika is family as well as a part of him...

Wrote this somewhere.. copy-paste..

".I was thinking about Rakshabandhan last year.. where he tried to protect his brothers... but did not tell them what he is doing and thus, in-turn they were hurt and angry... So, he always had this tendency to even hurt the people he loves to protect them.. But his relationship with Anika is different..The evolution is different...I measure it with a different yardstick... I don't compare it with his bros.. So, I do expect Shivaay to react differently in this.. especially after all those dialogues.. Show me some evolution.."

And I am not taking a side.. I'm just upset that Shivaay's evolution has been rewinded.. Shivaay is a man of few words.. but he tries to keep his words.. Yes.. he failed many times to actually stick to his promises and his vows.. sometimes NKK.. sometimes his anger failed him..sometimes blackmailed BUT he always tried to keep them.. This time I did not see Shivaay doing this and that hurts!

P.S. Not a Shivaay basher.. I adore this character...

Edited by blackorwhite - 7 years ago

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blackorwhite

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Posted: 7 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: AreYaar
I'm not going to get into a Shivaay v/s Anika...the simple point is that execution MATTERS...why is the audience expected to themselves extrapolate based on past examples and make excuses for the behavior of the characters when the actual execution of the "track" and scenes is a fail?

Personally, even if they had executed this track perfectly with Shivaay pain in abundance on-screen.. I would still have been upset that he did not keep him promises.. Did not try to tell Anika that he was in a fix..😆😆He could have later on asked her but he does not want to be involved and Anika can then remind him of the vows... However, without Shivaay attempting to tell Anika the truth.. this track doesn't work for me...*sigh*

Edited by blackorwhite - 7 years ago

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Thwisha617

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Posted: 7 years ago

#29

Hi Enaz.

Well put.Agree with every word of it.

I have one point to say,execution is failing. if we r having wars at the forum with shivaay vs Anika its coz execution of the concept isnt good.We are at war because we love these two characters to death n probably as per IB standards we want more.

Comedy is good to ease out but now its got too much.I agree Anika is nayi soch when she understand shivaay is all forms n never in the history of Indian TV we have had leads like these two but nayi soch also means she asks shivaay Why?why all these things.We need a monolouge of shivaay.

There is a third angle to this n that the writers are at fault.They have concept but fizzle out on detailing n thats where we loose it as audience coz IB has created standards which they r not able to come up themselves.

we need yearning of shivaay n anika after he left her at wedding night coz thats what a crazy couple would do.We dont need an SR but we need passion for the newly weds for each other.is it too much to ask for?

like you i m also a shivaay fan n thus i expect a lot more from him because he said i will give u so much hapiness that u will forget pain.Thus,i now expect him to fulfill at all costs,god forbid he has anika at gun point,wouldnt he save her with all his might.then why an ML? I know he breaking within but that has to b told to us. he needs to take her into confidence,tell where u r n she will do this with you coz as a couple u fight fights together.Thats why they say till death do us apart.

there is no question of Anika vs Family.She was always a part of his family even before she got married.She is his soulmate n they belong to each other at all point of their lifes.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 7 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Personally, even if they had executed this track perfectly with Shivaay pain in abundance on-screen.. I would still have been upset that he did not keep him promises.. Did not try to tell Anika that he was in a fix..😆😆He could have later on asked her but he does not want to be involved and Anika can then remind him of the vows... However, without Shivaay attempting to tell Anika the truth.. this track doesn't work for me...*sigh*

To me, that is part of the execution problem only😆...there are way too many issues with the execution but there could have been some ways to SALVAGE it...showing Shivaay regretting more poignantly, feeling her pain was one of those "salvaging" ways...and they didn't even bother with that much...not even a token attempt to make up for how utterly asinine this fake wife angle is...it's like jale pe namak basically. Already we've been bearing SO MUCH SHIT in various tracks before this also...then they come up with this crap to disrespect their relationship...woh bhi "digest" kar lete if atleast the characters felt some pain and longing for each other...but what did we get...Anika pleading, Shivaay stoic/indifferent, and then jump to comedy "romance" with a blase attitude towards fake wife...and then they expect no disconnect? 😆

They basically twist the "majboor" Billu and "mahaan" Anika angles per their convenience every single time but this time they've gone too far and crossed the threshold of even token believability...hence the disconnect...this time they've reached a new low in half-baked crap with the sheer speed of Shivaay's disappearance, half-baked fake ML and now fake wife zombie-ing around the house...and they expect people to rejoice only cuz Shivika are "detective-ing" together? 😆

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