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Posted: 8 years ago
#81
@swash/Nim_var: Thanks, guys!

Re: Shakti...ROFL you guys seriously expected him to get a heartfelt moment with Shivaay? Oh come on...we've seen him for over a year now...we all know he's going to get 1-2 token dialogues in a scene and that's it...lol they have nothing more to show with Shakti usually...look how chill he was happily enjoying the cake cutting later on despite having just been told his wife did this whole kaand...haha...I had no such expectations...I knew this is the most that would come out of Shakti.


As for Shivaay talking to Anika in private about the aftermath of the Pinky debacle...I feel their silent moments in the gazebo were meant to communicate everything he was feeling...she understood even without him having to say anything...that was the beauty of the moment...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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AY, Anika did feed a nano portion of the cake to dear Billuji and he was giving her smoldering looks.. man.. they are fire.. burning with need and passion... 😆😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey AY. Another great review after the really great epi. Loved the epi to bits.
Pinky as a character unraveled today. But despite her deranged heinous action we still felt a smidgeon of pity for her & the credit for that goes to NAs portrayal. She was phenomenal in her act. Completely overshadowed everyone. IB has such a great cast. Wish their acting chops are given more floor by lekhikaji.
Pinky's character has come a full circle. She has gone back to the original character that we were introduced to.
She was introduced as a power & wealth hungry woman who loved to lord her son's achievements in front of the family & world in general. Until the time Shivaay's engagement with Tia was not fixed we saw her hating OmRu & competing with Tej over who has more power on the family.
Shivaay himself has admitted in his talk with Om in the initial epis that for his mother wealth & power that Shivaay brings is more important than Shivaay himself.
Then as IB's focus changed from initial premise of dysfunctional family to that of Rajshri sanskaari family, we saw Pinky's character changing & we forgot what was presented to the audience as the original character sketch. We might have been even miffed with Shivaay's sudden mother devotion after the way their relation was portrayed earlier & that's warranted. But we can't forget that Pinky herself showed changes which would make us question Shivaay's indifferent behavior wrt Pinky if he had remained the same. However let's not forget that this change came after Pinky got the confirmation that Shitia engagement will definitely happen & so would the 'always changing number of crores' deal with the Kapoor's go through.

Pinky left behind her hatred for OmRu & stopped fighting against Tej as to who will get the haq of being the family's acknowledged waaris. She felt that after Shitia's wedding & business merger with the Kapoor's Shivaay would naturally leave behind OmRu & Tej in terms of success. So she stopped her obnoxious behavior with them. Let's not forget that Shivaay's indifference towards her also changed as he saw her warmth towards OmRu increase. Though he is SSO but he is first & foremost a family man & seeing her changed attitude towards OmRu, Jhanvi & Dadi he too became more affectionate towards her. So Pinky scored brownie points with Shivaay due to her change in equation with OmRu. Also Anika's influence also made him more receptive to warm feelings without being doubtful about them.

Once Shivaay got married to Anika instead of Tia we saw the return of the earlier Pinky but audience didn't directly connect it with her initial character sketch as by then Pinky had already established as a loving but possessive mother. We thought that she is only insecure about her place in Shivaay's affections & hence acting out. But she really turned venomous towards OmRu after they helped Shivaay I'm getting Anika back to OM after the Lohri NDE. She again started with her OmRu want to destroy Shivaay & take his place jaap.

She also chose to believe Tia in her pregnancy drama rather than her son aa it suited her purpose of getting ahead in the power play of the family business. She still wanted the business merger to be finalised & hence supported Tia even when her son rejected the idea of the possibility of him being the father of Tia's child. She just used this as an opportunity to throw Anika out of his life & as a means to complete the business merger.

After the lohri NDE she saw the extent to which Shivaay cared for Anika. This raised her signals that her influence on Shivaay was at an end. So she used NKK card to oust Anika out of Shivaay's life. However Shivaay didn't allow her to do so. This scared her more & she flipped the NKK card on Anika instead. She knew that it would work with Anika as she had seen how much Anika loves Shivaay throughout their relationship. She not only lied about Shivaay being illegitimate, she painted her husband as an adulterer. Also she without any regret plotted with Kamini to get Prinku married to Ranveer. Though Prinku wanted that marriage has she louvvved that ACP god knows how but this didn't factor into Pinky's decision. She just used Prinku as a pawn for discrediting Anika. She succeeded in her attempt & again became content that again all is under her control.

But we all saw how much was really under her control in the after separation epis LOL. She couldn't even get Shivaay to talk to her politely. He became more distant, indifferent & ride towards her but that didn't faze her as Anika was out of the picture. Once Anika cake back she again started with her tricks by encouraging Ragini & trying to influence Shivaay in throwing out Anika once again. But this time it didn't work.

I am glad that finally Shivaay found out the truth & I am happy to see his disgust with Pinky in the precap. I for one don't want him to forgive Pinky ever as I don't believe that she did what she did for Shivaay's benefit or due to her insecurity about her place in his priority. She did all of it as she saw that her years of investment in Shivaay's building success was not eventually giving her the powerful position in the family & society that she had always craved. After all she actively started weaving her web against Anika when Shivaay gave the credit & the BOTY award to Anika & not her.

Hope that Anika doesn't become a mahaan SP bahu & convince Shivaay for forgiving Pinky. We all know that Anika is a softy when it comes to the matter of family members due to her own lack of family but we also know that she is a wild cat who fights for her loved ones. Be it against bandari bua for Sahil, against Shivaay for her self respect. The girl who loves Shivaay should surely not allow herself to forgive Pinky for hurting Shivaay by lying to his loved ones about his birth.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The episode had events that was too much to process while I watched, and too much to remember as I write.
Kudos to Nitika Anand for enacting these scenes today. She seems such a warm person offscreen and her performing this menacing PSO leaves you in wonder.
As for NM, he has grown in leaps and bounds as an actor. There isn't anything new that Id say from what all of you have already discussed.

Some of the bits I really liked in the confrontation scene would be:
Shivay's humbling moment when he realizes what OmRu and Ani did for him, the Om ne apne pe dhaag le liya, even bade papa and mummy chose to stay mum and Ani could take on even his hatred just so that he isn't broken, mei na toot jaoun, iske liye tum toot gayi.

I liked NM's voice modulation when he chokes to even say he was passed off as son of a mistress by his own mother, daadi ke seekh ko bhi galat saabit kar diya, geeli mittai tha mei.
Another would be SC's yeh kya bol rahe hain aap' to his aankh nahi mila paa raha hoon.
Nitika Ji's that bit where Pinky goes back to him with " Ruko, mei batatai hoon... mei...finding words to explain, fumbling at it when it dawns on her that he seems to be resenting her for her actions, yet with no remorse when OmRu or Shakti pointed out her insensitivity towards one's own son.

Like Anu mentioned, I too felt that there was this moment where Shivay totally shut himself out from Pinky at the end of declaring to everyone that she can't be his mother, his eyes no more reflecting any emotion at that point as if he unknowingly or purposely blanked out any sort of sentiment associated with "Maa

The gazebo reunion moment:
When you watch such a scene, it's one of those moments where anyone (in-love, out of love, complicated in love, all of them) will wish and yearn to have such a soulful relationship. The silence spoke volumes, especially the moment when Shivay holds her hand, kisses them as tears brim his eyes...the caress and touch to ensure and believe that this is real, we are together where we rightfully belong...that overwhelming moment where you realize the depth of your partner's love for you and makes you doubt if such love is even possible. Everything seemed nice in spite of the clichs of fairylights, moon in the background and moonlight essence.

The soulful embrace, the sense of belonging and peace in each other's arms and the silence was literally screaming "mehsoos kar le tu, jasbaat ki khushboo, khud se karoun kya mei bayaan.

The dialogue writer needs special mention to have helped in making this a worthwhile etched in memory kind of episode. Something that I'd remember for long would be:
Shivay ki Maa hone ka nahi, SSO ki maa hone ka ghamand tha,
Sirf Anika hone ka and Anika KA hone ka fakr hai,
Om's pyar toh tha hi, aaj guroor bhi hai

Precap:
2 feet pe toh Shivay Anika have forever been. But Calculator Singh Oberoi is willing to cheat when it comes to 2 feet distance between him and his beloved. How twisted and short was his hand and confirming it to be 2 feet.
I do understand the need for this distance, otherwise how would you get the chori chupke moments between the rasmein. Now I get the batwara line by Om in a spoiler pic. It would be Ladki/Ladke sides I guess.
But then, Dadi Ji,... such rules apply to married, in love, not divorced/separated couples only kya?. Aapka ek teesra potha bhi hai doing all the rangraliyan with someone else other than his biwi.

Wind Up Questions:
Sab kuch PSO ke karnaame the. She proudly owned them too. But Nayantara planting and Prinku ke bhagne ka help karna, yeh loop bhi close kar dete.
Mahi ka loop closed. Bechara Mahi, ainveyi was sitting and bajaoing his mouth organ for a fake mom, fake brother. Teekh hai.
Bhai, lekin DaiMa ne jhoot kyun bola???!!!!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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haaye ek toh this bit in the episode n oopar se tumhaara itnaaa khoobsoorat post 👏😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Avatarana_

The episode had events that was too much to process while I watched, and too much to remember as I write.

So true, after watching it over and over again you discover so many layers and intricacies of this beauty of an episode



I liked NM's voice modulation when he chokes to even say he was passed off as son of a mistress by his own mother, daadi ke seekh ko bhi galat saabit kar diya, geeli mittai tha mei.
Another would be SC's yeh kya bol rahe hain aap' to his aankh nahi mila paa raha hoon.
Nitika Ji's that bit where Pinky goes back to him with " Ruko, mei batatai hoon... mei...finding words to explain, fumbling at it when it dawns on her that he seems to be resenting her for her actions, yet with no remorse when OmRu or Shakti pointed out her insensitivity towards one's own son.

Son of a mistress and geeli mitti are my personal favourites of his voice modulation...Geeli mitti in particular..NM brought out a child like earnestness and purity in his voice.

For some reason, I was instantly transported to the bhaang episode...where he said "tum jaanti thi na meri khushi tumhare saat hai" ...even that scene had a very soul stirring sincere plea combined with a feeling of disappointment

The 3rd best line for me was his conclusion "She is not my mother" before he storms out of the house...His eyes were emitting fire there

NA's Ruko, mei batatai hoon... mei...was hands down the best for me too...
Another one has to be a slight movement of her head and an hmmm sound that she made when Om declared her of being ruthless and self centred...
Both were so subtle and a contrast to the usual blaring and vociferous Pinky and the perfection was in its timing...


The gazebo reunion moment:
When you watch such a scene, it's one of those moments where anyone (in-love, out of love, complicated in love, all of them) will wish and yearn to have such a soulful relationship. The silence spoke volumes, especially the moment when Shivay holds her hand, kisses them as tears brim his eyes...the caress and touch to ensure and believe that this is real, we are together where we rightfully belong...that overwhelming moment where you realize the depth of your partner's love for you and makes you doubt if such love is even possible. Everything seemed nice in spite of the clichs of fairylights, moon in the background and moonlight essence.

The soulful embrace, the sense of belonging and peace in each other's arms and the silence was literally screaming "mehsoos kar le tu, jasbaat ki khushboo, khud se karoun kya mei bayaan.

In bold...Very well processed and expressed 👏👏

Wind Up Questions:
Sab kuch PSO ke karnaame the. She proudly owned them too. But Nayantara planting and Prinku ke bhagne ka help karna, yeh loop bhi close kar dete...

I was hoping for that too...but I guess the writers forgot about it...or thought it was out of context as the focus was closure of illegtimacy truth

Mahi ka loop closed. Bechara Mahi, ainveyi was sitting and bajaoing his mouth organ for a fake mom, fake brother. Teekh hai...
Mahi ko ab Stupid Singh Oberoi bhi naki bol sakte... 😆😆

Bhai, lekin DaiMa ne jhoot kyun bola???!!!!!

Daima may have been threatened by Mrs. Kapoor...

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Posted: 8 years ago
#87
@Lodestar: Hey thanks :) And a lovely analysis on Pinky by you as well...you've recapped the pertinent points in the journey of this character very well.
The show has definitely gone through some back and forth in characterizations and tone based on what way the makers want to swing it for TRPs...but overall Pinky's character has more or less always been like this...now she's sort of back to where she began as you said...with nothing to soften her bitterness and hatred...let's see if the writers decide to redeem her later on...I think they might simply cuz NA would be so brilliant at playing it.


Re: Anika...I think ultimately whether we like it or not, she is indeed going to go the mahaan route to try and reunite mother-son...this is how these tracks usually go in shows...lol...even when we think there is nothing left worth redeeming...the writers will find a way to spin it I expect.


IB is indeed blessed with a very good cast that can really take well written material up to another level...if only lekhika ji would bless them with that more often...lol



@Jay: Thanks!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: _Avatarana_



I liked NM's voice modulation when he chokes to even say he was passed off as son of a mistress by his own mother, daadi ke seekh ko bhi galat saabit kar diya, geeli mittai tha mei.


Another would be SC's yeh kya bol rahe hain aap' to his aankh nahi mila paa raha hoon.
On a rewatch, I loved those bits from NM too...actually it's more noticeable on a second or third watch how Shivaay was falling apart too...the way he tilted his head to one side after the "door hatiye...nahin aap yahin rahiye...aapne hi mujhe banaya hai na" bit...like he was literally going mad and not knowing how to react...the back and forth...wanting to thrust her away and then the sarcastic hurt would come out too.


As for SC, she was just heartbreakingly natural in those bits...the way her voice caught as she said aap kya bol rahe hain...the way her hands would reach out for him, fluttering over his face, his chest...I love the sync b/w NM-SC in such scenes...it's so on point.

Nitika Ji's that bit where Pinky goes back to him with " Ruko, mei batatai hoon... mei...finding words to explain, fumbling at it when it dawns on her that he seems to be resenting her for her actions, yet with no remorse when OmRu or Shakti pointed out her insensitivity towards one's own son.
Yes, I loved that switch to desperation when she realized that Shivaay isn't exactly lauding her for her actions but is disgusted with her...the desperation to then try and pin it on the others lying to him...pleading with him to understand his mother since he is the only one who understands her...I couldn't help but pity Pinky there no matter how deranged she is.


Like Anu mentioned, I too felt that there was this moment where Shivay totally shut himself out from Pinky at the end of declaring to everyone that she can't be his mother, his eyes no more reflecting any emotion at that point as if he unknowingly or purposely blanked out any sort of sentiment associated with "Maa Yes, I feel that was a defining moment...where after all the back and forth, the attempts to grapple with the magnitude of what his mother did, he was just done...the shutters went down and he locked her out, literally and figuratively...and that was quintessential Shivaay...he can love with all his heart but he is just as capable of going ice cold emotionless and ruthless...Pinky hadn't gotten to see this side of his to this extent before but she managed to push him to that point this time.

The gazebo reunion moment:
When you watch such a scene, it's one of those moments where anyone (in-love, out of love, complicated in love, all of them) will wish and yearn to have such a soulful relationship. The silence spoke volumes, especially the moment when Shivay holds her hand, kisses them as tears brim his eyes...the caress and touch to ensure and believe that this is real, we are together where we rightfully belong...that overwhelming moment where you realize the depth of your partner's love for you and makes you doubt if such love is even possible. Everything seemed nice in spite of the clichs of fairylights, moon in the background and moonlight essence.

The soulful embrace, the sense of belonging and peace in each other's arms and the silence was literally screaming "mehsoos kar le tu, jasbaat ki khushboo, khud se karoun kya mei bayaan. Word...beautifully said, Ganga👏👏

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Posted: 8 years ago
#89
Awesome post and fabulous shivika pics.
Loved the episode to bits.
NM & SC were splendid and I am spellbound.
Hats off to cvs for giving such an incredible episode.
Hope to get more & more in the coming days.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar


Re: Shivaay announcing the wedding...so I don't think he was doing it cuz that's his dream wedding...he was doing it cuz he wants to proudly declare to the world that Anika is his...since a lot of their conflict at one point has hinged on him supposedly being ashamed of her lack of NKK...he's throwing all those shackles off yet again...give Anika that respect and regard in front of the entire world...cuz he married her secretly in front of the world before...now he wants to own it and do it khushi se...that's the regard he's talking about.[/DIV]


Yeah, I know. I was just being fussy over there.😆😳 I wanted a private wedding for them in which they ride on Champa and get married in the temple where they first met.😆 But I don't mind this either if they give us a happy wedding where Annika is finally happy and shivika are enjoying their wedding.😛





I don't think Shivaay is fully shedding his SSO beliefs...he's just evolving into a person having the courage to listen to his heart, to fully wallow in the emotions Anika brings out in him...to savor all that love rather than squander it...his tadi and SSO-giri will always be a part of him.


I hope so! So far writers haven't disappointed me when it came to SSO. I hope it doesn't change after the confession.😆 Otherwise, heroes usually lose their essence once they turn hormonal.😆




Re: Anika's journey...I would like to see it be more about her opening up to Shivaay than specifically living up to the tag of being Mrs. SSO...since they make a point of saying she is sirf Anika, I hope she is allowed that identity even now.



When I say accepting Shivaay's name, I don't mean Annika's 'sirf Annika' should be forgotten. If Shivaay had prejudices, Annika had them too. I just want those to be dealt with too.

And I meant it as a whole.😆 Annika's journey which includes Annika opening up to Shivaay and much more character growth in Annika. Like how Shivaay's journey ended with him completely shedding his NKK prejudices, Annika's journey's end would be her not minding ASSO anymore.😆





Hope I made sense there. 😕

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