My two cents on Billu's NKK dialogues - Page 2

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL I won't say the "mother of my children" comment was random. On the contrary, it totally flowed with what he was talking about...He said he can't see a future for him and Anika and a future obviously entails children.

NKK is all about bloodlines, keeping the family name and prestige going...obviously the mother of his children thought plays into that...he has not yet reached the stage where he can fully overthrow NKK for Anika...he's still struggling with that.

I can see it's tough for the romantics in this fandom to digest😆...but what he spoke today was totally in character, even if it was in the AU of DBO...lol

Originally posted by: Ultimatewinner

I think shivay was in character in that scene, we were aware of the fact that nkk is the basic conflict n plot for shivika, I love shivay because he is the only character in show which has not changed that much for trp , but now it's start of nkk journey, iam also eager to know how anika will react to this journey, as she has already accepted she loves him , so she will just wait for him to forget his nkk until he accepts her , n until then take the insult from everyone, or can I expect my old tadibaaz self respecting anika returns, I am looking for someone who can explain me current pov of anika, as I am unable to understand n connect to her after wedding episode😆

PS: thanks for the post

Originally posted by: ThithliDhost

Here is what is upsetting me..

When he is very clear that there is no future , why play farak farak? Why give the girl hopes for a future together? Why chase her down, just to throw the NKK at her face?

She is willing to let go of this relationship. She is willing to give him his freedom back.. Why hold her back, especially when u know u will never accept her and will have no future with her ?

Why take away the chance of a future from Annika?

Annika will never be good enough for him. What more can she do to make him overcome his NKK? And why should she?

Annika (KKT) was very upset that she could not give him children. Agree, may be this was all a play act by Annika bit still , Shivaay cannot take away the Khushi of motherhood from her .. May be it is not imp to him, if he never has childern, but what about her?

SSO is being very cruel. He is once again deciding for her.. Being selfish. He is just playing with her emotions.. SAD!!!

Originally posted by: ThithliDhost

AY,

We all know and accept that NKK is what defines Shivaay. His NKK is not the issue. Nor the fact that he cannot see a future with Annika .. Are, even Annika cannot see a future with him. .That is one of the reasons for KKT birth. She is giving him enough reasons to end their marriage.

I am not pissed off at his "Cannot See Annika as mother of my children" dialogue either ..The fact that he said this, shows that he is thinking of his marriage to Annika and a possibility of a "FUTURE" with her . A future where there will be children. Right now he cannot accept the fact that his wife, mother of his children will be some one who is a nobody.. But Annika will always be a nobody..no fault of her but that is the FACT..

Shivaay today "STATED" once again that, nkk is important to him, it is what he is and he will never change. The relationship he has with Annika is a BENAAM one and it will be continued like that (to be continued) ..

In all this conversation, Shivaay did not at any point gave us reason to believe that he may change his mind, or, there is even a remote chance of him accepting Annika

One thing that clearly came through was , he is not going to let her go. No matter what!

Here is what is upsetting me..

When he is very clear that there is no future , why play farak farak? Why give the girl hopes for a future together? Why chase her down, just to throw the NKK at her face?

She is willing to let go of this relationship. She is willing to give him his freedom back.. Why hold her back, especially when u know u will never accept her and will have no future with her ?

Why take away the chance of a future from Annika?

Annika will never be good enough for him. What more can she do to make him overcome his NKK? And why should she?

Annika (KKT) was very upset that she could not give him children. Agree, may be this was all a play act by Annika bit still , Shivaay cannot take away the Khushi of motherhood from her .. May be it is not imp to him, if he never has childern, but what about her?

SSO is being very cruel. He is once again deciding for her.. Being selfish. He is just playing with her emotions.. SAD!!!

Originally posted by: --Risha--

I haven't said that it wasn't in character. I've been saying all over the forum that NKK still matters to shivaay but right now in IB land, they are showing something different.

So I guess, what I meant to say was the reason why the NKK rant seems so out of place to many people is because it's an introduction to what Shivaay's character is in general. In IB, it will be adressed in the future, for sure and itll be central when Anika's BG is revealed. Which is why Shivaay RIGHT NOW in IB and Shivaay RIGHT NOW in DBO seem to be disjointed to some people.

Trust me, I have no romantic notions of who Shivaay is. I'm well aware of the fact that he's no saint

Originally posted by: Haruhi_Mo

Truly this is the main conflict between shivika n this is what attracts me the most in IB

Yes it does hurt when he said those words, n anika is going to be even more hurt. Though she always knew in her heart that SSO will never accept her. All these pointless drama about farq seems very childish and not really needed now.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

As I already said in my post, I'm talking objectively about the scene as a stand-alone in terms of what Shivaay's NKK ideology is...in those terms, his "mother of my children" comment is not random.

I haven't said they are random 😆. By "random" what I meant was that it's not connecting with the present timeline in IB.

I, too, have also said in enough posts over the past few days that billu's being unfair to Anika by asking her to stay back without promising anything in return. In the grand scheme of things, this conversation makes a lot of sense.

I've already mentioned in enough posts this morning that I disliked the major continuity issues in the way this was randomly thrown into DBO instead of IB. That was my main issue with this scene when I first watched it.

And this is exactly what my main issue with this scene is, too. If you'd read my first post objectively, you'd know that I meant the randomness comes from the blurred timelines, not by what billu said. :)

Which is why I also said people who are seeing another Shivaay in IB shouldnt panic over this because the writers are being lazy with making the two shows coherent with each other :). Shivaay's character is consistent in the grand scheme of t hings. People should panic over what this entails for Anika

But as a stand-alone, it's a very well done scene in terms of laying out Shivaay's thought process and there was nothing out of character in anything he said.

I agree. Also, it was a great wake-up call for people who were thinking Shivaay's about to announce Anika as his wife to the world. We're still miles away from billu getting over his age-old prejudices against Anika's past.

If we're lucky, this will eventually get addressed in IB also...else, we will continue to be subjected to random farak games and endless Shitia weddings instead of focusing on the core NKK conflict.

I think that's where this is eventually heading. Anika stays back but then what? The way that she is, she's bound to ask this question sooner or later, despite where her character is now