Irony and Family Values (post 1&2) - Page 2

Originally posted by: poemssyndrome

I said this yesterday on your thread that I find Shivaay sympathizing with Janvi quite weird when he himself have a Janvi in making standing next to him.
And I will stand by it. Yes they both are different. But the one similarity I find in their relationship is lack of respect.
Shivaay himself said it to Anika that staying in a marriage that doesn't bring you happiness is useless. It's not a relationship, it's just a burden. How weird it is that the same thing he hears when Tej says it in his context Shivaay has a completely different response to it.
I don't know if Tej ever loved Janvi but in both their cases one of the partners wanted the relationship to work. Anika may have made her mind that Shivaay won't accept her but deep down she wishes the relationship to work. Shivaay on the other hand and I am saying this from all his silence when she was called an outsider, will need a lot of time to actually accept her for who she is & give up his NKK. They lack the balance, the Takkar Dadi keeps talking about.
A true couple should defend each other from others & themselves from each other when time desires. At the end of it all, it is all about making the relationship work. And both of them have to work for it.
I have to agree that the basic difference between Shivaay & Tej is that Shivaay is selfless. And Anika has no children to pull her back. But still they hold the same imbalance that TejVi do in their relationship. They both have to make the relationship work & for that Shivaay for once needs to choose his happiness over his principles & Anika needs to choose her self respect over being good or doing good.
The family does sticks together though. Om's transition is so convincing it is amazing! His beliefs will be difficult to shake now & they won't be made fun of like Shivaay's are bcoz we know the back story. I wish Dadi would be more active in dealing with Tej.

In any case if the memory loss track is indeed true...it would be awesome...to see things back to square one for Anika...but a Shivaay who has lived with her and known her and tasted what it means to have someone like her in his wife.

Originally posted by: YeHoKyaRahaHai

Loved your perspective. As you pointed out there is an inherent inequality in their relationship. An imbalance. Where one partner does all the work and is not acknowledged by the other. In that sense...there is indeed a parallel between tejvi and Shivika.

But I wonder whether this lack of respect stems from the circumstances in which the marriage happened as well as the obvious culprit...Anika's lack of lineage. In any case he seems to be wary of even saying the word 'wife' to her...perhaps, he doesn't want to make her any false promises...but at the same time he proclaims her as one of the two important women in his life. I think he has realized the futility of this and just wants to prolong the marriage and have as much of Anika as he can before he has to let her go. That is why the lack of respect?

Yup that's what I mean to say! He knows what he want, Anika. He knows what he should be wanting, someone with Anika's heart but someone who has a lineage. He had that too. Mallika. And that doesn't work bcoz his heart chose Anika.But he is so stubborn about them that he doesn't want to let them go. It's all about the choice. What he chooses. I believe that every person should have principles to live by. They give structure to your life. But we should know where to give them up. Shivaay needs to learn that. And once he will, he will know that he can have both together. Happiness & self respect. He feels if he acts on something he had been discarding all along, he won't respect himself, let alone the entire world.
The thing is he needs to make a decision. He loves to stall around when he needs to decide something that challenges him. And Anika is quite helping, bcoz she tolerates everything right or wrong he does. If she takes a stand. He will be left with nothing but to make the decision.

^ Absolutely Ana.

Originally posted by: smitar

I think (it is just a guess) that Anika may confess her love to Shivaay and the NKK rant we saw in the promo may be the result of that confession. Shivaay may make it clear that he will never accept her as his wife as she lacks NKK, parvarish etc. Then the accident happens and he is left with a wife who can't remember him.

Phew! Hard times coming for SSO.

He has been a father to his brothers, more than Tej has ever been. Remember the scene where he takes a photo of his brothers sleeping in his bed, all safe and warm. Just like a fond papa admiring his sons. The way he protects them, takes care of them, loves them, is heartwarming. But it is not possible to shield them from trouble all their lives. Now they have to deal with the mess Tej has made. They have to grow up fast. They are lucky to have Shivaay's protection while they take the first steps to maturity.

You said it well. The whole family is with Shivaay. Tej is alone. He is a sham of a man, totally heartless, completely petty. Shivaay who hero-worshipped him, would have become his clone but for his love for his brothers and Anika's ability to touch his heart and make him see the world for what it is.

And OmRu are lucky that Shivaay is changing. Or they would have had to deal with another Tej in the making.

About Jhanvi and Anika. I am scared to claim that Anika won't end up another Jhanvi in 20 years cos we have no idea how the CVs will make her out to be. The Anika we knew would never have put up with Pinky's nonsense.

Anyway, what struck me always about Jhanvi's pleas to tej was that he doesn't respect her. I think the word here is RESPECT. Shivaay has to learn to respect Anika. Love comes second, I think, to respect. Tej treats Jhanvi as though she were worthless. I hope Anika never sinks to that stage with Shivaay.

Originally posted by: YeHoKyaRahaHai

^ Absolutely Ana.

Yes...he is biding his time and it helps him that Anika is willing and goes along without a murmur.

And the mould of his prejudices continues to be strong. He said it for Sonia and Rudra...that she is ideally suited to become Rudra's wife because of her family connections.

Yet he doesn't have it in him to let Anika go too...he always brings her back by hook or crook. He basically cajoled and coerced her after the gunshot track. Wonder what he ultimately did though...one of the great mysteries of the Ishqbaaz universe...Lol.

Even in the promo he talked about how his prejudice was not a soch but an usool...a principle. He certainly has to transcend this to become an Ishqbaaaz and a good husband.

That's where his Tadi lies. It's his ego that doesn't let him let go of something he knows deep inside now is as hollow as his Bade Papa's heart. He does tries hard to protect his ego. I would love this new Anika to strip him off his ego & point it out to him, that how can he Shivaay Singh Oberoi need someone, call someone one of the most important, who doesn't even knows her name. He really needs to let it go for them to find happiness & have the future you so beautifully described. How fun it would be, both of them old, fighting & still calling each other names. And yet madly in love with each other.
What a mystery though. May be they couldn't find something substantial, so they just let it go! 😉