Why grey-negative female leads are hard to accept without question?

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ChipChipiBhaalu

@OriginalJuhi_04

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Posted: 8 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
I agree to your point Juhi but I want to say that when I was a kid ( I guess you weren't even born then)we had shows like Shaanti, where the heroine was not white she was working for Revenge
Doordarshan shows like Humlog n Idhar Udhar(the Favorite show of our parents generation) portrayed working women who were not grey for sure but were very much girls who thought of themselves n were not even near being selfless

Idhar Udhar had girls who stayed in a rented apartment in Bombay subletting the flat to a guy to share rent and so that they could make him do all the household work while Majhli of Humlog left her house since her parents weren't willing to let her do the job of her choice and these shows were loved by our parents generation (aired around 84-86) I think these so called TRP aunties are of that generation right? If those were their Favorite serials then I don't believe that they won't accept a grey heroine rather it is the people of our generation (age less than 32) who are more regressive in their thoughts and want such heroines who are mahaan n selfless, I think high time we shall stop blaming such regressive shows as a result of TRP aunties choice

Although I don't consider my mom as a TRP audience as she always loved suspense thriller n murder mysteries n not soft romance, (she retired from her job last year n so you can imagine her age n so her supposed regressive thought), I had asked her to watch In n she started it n also liked it, but the day of the forced marriage of Shivika she got so angry that she called me asking to quit watching the show immediately (which I had done myself post that) starting that such tracks affect the mind n make females lose their self esteem

I am 1992 born. I agree that only TRP aunties are not responsible but we teenagers n youths too. I said dis in some other post too. U cud see in several forums dat girls in age group of 16-26 prefer jerk n arrogant heroes over decent n soft heroes as d former has style n attitude while d latter is dull n boring. D viewers are attracted to richness n arrogance of heroes who owns expensive things n speaks rudely wid everyone except his friends n family. They think d arrogance n rudeness to be cool n attractive. They don't mind then troubling n torturing d heroines as it's considered his style n attitude n anyway d heroine's will change them. If I watch a hero manhandling scene in front of my parents they will mistook d hero as a villain. I clearly see dat shows like POW n JNDSD don't even get 1 TRP as those stories are different instead of arrogant hero n bubbly heroine. CN started getting more TRPs when Nandini's greyness started decreasing n her turning more soft. So d more problem is in people of 2day's generation itself. Even in some movies of 1920s to 1940s d heroines were shown stronger n ahead of their time. Fearless Nadia even though non-Indian did Bollywood movies n she was very loved for her portrayal of a fighter woman in her movies. Imagine a heroine like Fearless Nadia in 2days TV shows😆.

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EkNoKiNashedi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#32

But you got to consider trp as well. For arguments sake let's say early K shows were worst with multiple shadi marital sexual abuse plastic surgery. Those days trp used to skyrocket 9+ was common. Nowadays even 3 is big thing. How much Sathiya and Diya bati got? So where did all the audience went during early K shows, cause they should like these more regressive stuff right? Nope. A section of them has shifted. People who are tech savvy and dont like tv are going online. Male audience shifting toward news IPL games cause these shows never catered to them. We really can't generalize that a specific aunty section liking these shows. Pretty sure mine and yours moms don't, aren't they falling under the age section of trp aunty?

There's a reason trp don't get like early days, maybe one reason can be rating systems but one major thing is no channel these days are catering to all audience at once. I remember during school the whole school used to talk about dmg and mjht, cause those shows targeted us teenagers and kids. No show these days has this mass hysteria and following like early times. They do false marketing and don't respect audience choice, show whatever they want to.

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FlauntPesimism

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Posted: 8 years ago

#33

Juhi come to cc na. Would like to know more about you

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 8 years ago

#34

@Avengers:

Yes the thought pattern is deeply rooted. I remember even when I was watching EDKV which was a much more progressive show, some people had issues with Suman being outspoken and how she insulted the male lead in certain instances, once after marriage in front of his family. She left the house too when he insulted her in public. I rooted for her coz she was right.

The ML was trained into being a mysoginist by his Father who poisoned his mind for years that independent woman are no good. They are selfish and they cheat you etc. (This is what he made his son beleive after his wife walked out on him when she had enough of his accusations). He drove her away but blamed her for everything. Then Shravan gets let down by his best friend who is also a female and he moves to London, and lives in bitterness for years. So I understood his character and why he was the way he was. He was not some arrogant guy with an attitude problem who was rude to everyone other than his family and friends. Talks down to people who are not of his class, and contemptuous of people who he thinks are beneath him. (Most of Gul's ML's to date). This guy was a regular guy and so was the girl. I loved Suman coz she was no one's fool and even for LOVE she didnt loose her self respect. I could relate to her.

But the girls they show in general and even on this show, really dont value themselves. So far Soumya has been shown to do so, but Annika has not. What got me worse than even the forced marriage was the fact that Shivaay thought Annika had sold herself to Daksh for 15 Lakhs and even after knowing this, she is OK to just move on like nothing happened? Just coz he saved her from Daksh, it's all fine? Even after such a humiliation, they show her doing an item number for him? In the timeline of the show, maybe a month has gone by since the marriage, probably even less? So in 3-4 weeks, she is over ALL that, and she is happy to do an item number (which happened 2 weeks after the wedding I think) and totally over everything that happened? This is so unrealistic. No woman would get over such a thing so quickly and by showing that, they are making the whole thing look like a joke. Yes it's a show, but even on a show you expect to see something resembling reality?

In an envornment like this, where female leads are supposed to be Mahaan sacrificing devi's who forget in 2-3 weeks that they were forced into marriage, called a characterless woman, and are made to preach to the Vamp / Sautan about marriage vows, do we even have to ASK why grey females are not accepted? If the FL was shown fighting the hero back, saying she will not accept him and giving him a hard time, soon people will ask for the FL to be changed? No wonder show makers are so scared to show a woman stand up for herself. Such woman are NOT liked in general.

@Preet:

I dont know WHO the TRP aunties are or who the TRP audience is? But whoever they are, it seems they have no appetite to see women who like themselves and will not take crap from anyone? They have to be a Devi in every way and never ask for anything. Sacrificing for people etc. If they are not from your Mum's generation, maybe they are from a younger generation? I dont know. I watch online, I am from overseas, so I have no idea who exactly likes this content in India, but it seems there are a lot of people who do. Even in the UK I guess? But maybe coz they are people who live overseas, they watch anything that is from India to stay connected to their culture and dont think of content too much? But in India, they probably have a lot of choice, but choose these type of shows with white as a sheet good girl heroines? Bad girls and girls who are seen to be selfish are rejected. (Like the girl from JNDSD, which I dont watch, but is being called names coz she didnt accept her forced husband, but continues to love the man she always loved). Dont know when all this will change, but I think some bold steps are needed to change the attitudes. I bet the makers of that show are going against the norm and showing a woman choose her love over her husband, who she did not choose? Bold choice, but I think it's the right choice.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 8 years ago

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Krantikari

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Posted: 8 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: JaiJaiIraniMata
I don't know how progressive or regressive kyunki and kahaani's female characters were...they do sound comparatively more progressive than today's leads...but kashaf murtaza man...here is a character who was not "happy" or "bubbly" or "optimistic"...she was annoyingly pessimistic,such complexes she had...those made her so real,so understandable...why can't indians make shows like this?...our FLs have to be bubbly and optimistic and people pleasing no matter what...

I sooo agree with you. I love Kashaf.

I can fangirl about her all day, she was such a strong & relatable character. She was flawed, super opinionated & even prejudiced & I loved how the show was about her journey and depicted her character evolution. Real is the most apt word to describe her. We def need strong characters like her in Indian TV.

What made her so relatable was in fact her pessimism & snarky attitude that she had as a result of facing terrible circumstances in life...she held grudges & didn't forgive and forget so easily. She was so real. Def one of my fav fictional characters till date...

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Piyali

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Posted: 8 years ago

#36

Bang post dear , just an example...I feel Ragini (Swaragini)and RK (Madhubala) were almost same in their nature still Ragini was hated like hell and I don't Think RK had any haters...😃

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ChipChipiBhaalu

@OriginalJuhi_04

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Posted: 8 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: .Piyali..
Bang post dear , just an example...I feel Ragini (Swaragini)and RK (Madhubala) were almost same in their nature still Ragini was hated like hell and I don't Think RK had any haters...😃

Seeing ur dp, I want to say dat even Ela was a grey female lead who hurt her hero a lot something which is common for heroes to do n she even swapped d exam papers wid Sanju to become topper causing d latter to get a KT in 1 subject. Sanju though being d lesser grey of d trio leads she was still a very no-nonsense n serious heroine who did not want to fall in love but she had 4 boys falling in love wid her. Dat show lasted only 5 months cuz d show got messed up n one of d male leads getn a terminal disease. Well dat was a youth show but it had all the 3 female leads as grey wid Ela d most grey. I thought people still loved Ragini. I don't watch that show but in her articles, there were more positive comments than negative comments.

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Piyali

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Posted: 8 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

Seeing ur dp, I want to say dat even Ela was a grey female lead who hurt her hero a lot something which is common for heroes to do n she even swapped d exam papers wid Sanju to become topper causing d latter to get a KT in 1 subject. Sanju though being d lesser grey of d trio leads she was still a very no-nonsense n serious heroine who did not want to fall in love but she had 4 boys falling in love wid her. Dat show lasted only 5 months cuz d show got messed up n one of d male leads getn a terminal disease. Well dat was a youth show but it had all the 3 female leads as grey wid Ela d most grey. I thought people still loved Ragini. I don't watch that show but in her articles, there were more positive comments than negative comments.

Yup , truly said though I always felt Sanjana's character was shown like other FL's..Mahaan type..yup Ragini has many fans like me but still I have seen a lot many haters of the character unlike RK

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EkNoKiNashedi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#39

@flaunt (I'm horrible with names sorry yaar) what no invitation for me?🥺🤣 Pretty sure right now I am most loathed person here.

@Mandy omg yes yes bang on about Vividha and Suman. Suman wasn't polite enough, soft enough, understanding enough. What bullshit. Woman needs to be reasonable achai ki Murat always, god forbid If they behave like normal people. Vividha to is a s**t, not loving husband immediately and worshipping his feet like I said we as an audience are failure. We keep going to shits that's why we get shits. Change is coming, albeit slowly. Especially the way Beyhadh is getting rave reviews from industry and viewed are amazing. If only it had better numbers. At least Sony had guys to show it, if it was in SP or Zee she would be redeemed and soften.

ETA I loved Ela more than any girls. I love charlie, such a beauty. A kind of rugged badasssanju argh. Even the other girl was OK OK. Talk about grey remember ek thi rajkumari that hero? He was jerk but good guy

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FlauntPesimism

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Posted: 8 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: .Avengers.
@flaunt (I'm horrible with names sorry yaar) what no invitation for me?🥺🤣 Pretty sure right now I am most loathed person here.
@Mandy omg yes yes bang on about Vividha and Suman. Suman wasn't polite enough, soft enough, understanding enough. What bullshit. Woman needs to be reasonable achai ki Murat always, god forbid If they behave like normal people. Vividha to is a s**t, not loving husband immediately and worshipping his feet like I said we as an audience are failure. We keep going to shits that's why we get shits. Change is coming, albeit slowly. Especially the way Beyhadh is getting rave reviews from industry and viewed are amazing. If only it had better numbers. At least Sony had guys to show it, if it was in SP or Zee she would be redeemed and soften.

ETA I loved Ela more than any girls. I love charlie, such a beauty. A kind of rugged badasssanju argh. Even the other girl was OK OK. Talk about grey remember ek thi rajkumari that hero? He was jerk but good guy

Sorry Too, Preet here. You weren't there so then invite you, come to cc if you are free