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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: chottekikhushi


Aaliyah!! Thanks!! I loved what you wrote!! Gives me another explanation to this side of the Bhagad Billa!!

I didn't care about the Shitia romance much either because it really looked like he would have pushed her off himself ( inspite of Mrs.Kapoors blackmail) if Ani had been a few seconds late so I was ok!!

Nowadays I kinda get Shivaay and his spilt personality I can never hate him no matter how much I tried. I am always team Anika but I love Shivaay as much too just Anika abit more 😛
When he MU her "ONS" with Daksh he preponed his wedding because the "ONS" effected him alot he was heartbroken because he thought there was something between them he did told her so that she break his heart. Only a man in love will be so effected.

She is what he wants and he knows that but he stuck between the whole everything is a deal. Whatever it might be he can't live without her, I do wish we have a Shivika separation track in the future would love to see Shivaay missing Anika.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I don't think Shivaay behavior is taking any U turn atleast not after this whole flirting incident because that emotional scene where she told him his life is in danger is still yet to come.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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First off, Happy New Year, lovely!
So I just finished watching the episode, and I genuinely meant to go write an analysis post on today's ShivIka, but this post is perfect for me to rant on!

(Brace yourself!)

Today's episode triggered a lot of mixed emotions for me.
As much as I loved Shivaay's concern, RumYa's exchange on the stairs, and the sizzling ShivIka under-the-stairs romance, I'm a bit confused.
I think the CVs made the same mistake again that they did with the Kajra Re sequence. It doesn't really fit in the current time frame. This one wasn't as random as the dance, but I can't really see where the lines blurred. The windscreen reenactment, them bursting into laughter was cute, and subtle enough to be remotely believable, but the dance and now this scene, doesn't really work for me.

Shivaay has always been the master of control, and even with his growing attraction for Annika, has kept himself away from her (for all rights and purposes, at least) because of his need to fulfil his duties towards his family. I don't understand now, how this man could suddenly do a 360?

To a certain extent, he does love her, and it is obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes, that he is insanely attracted to her. She, in turn, reciprocates this; she has this unwavering faith in him that for me, is one of the most beautiful facets of their relationship. The fact that she fantasises about him at one point, tells me that she's quite attracted to him as well.
My question is, is that enough?
The circumstances that their wedding happened under was difficult, at best. I feel like we still haven't really see the aftermath of that fall onto them yet, what with all the other drama in their lives. I really want to see a point where Annika tells him that she does resent him for what he did to her, regardless of her and his feelings towards each other. Some things are better left open, but I think that their askewed wedding definitely needs closure.
I wouldn't mind seeing him pine for her, both emotionally and physically. I think that today's scene was really sweet, but it established one thing for all of us. We were all aware that she affected him, from the day he met her really, but her reaction to him has always been more guarded. Today, we saw exactly how much Shivaay affects Annika, and because that was established now and not in three months time, it's still a weakness.

I was reading napstermonster's reply to you, and while I think she's made some fantastic arguments and backed them up equally as well, I only had one issue. I think that at one point, he might just have to let her go.
For one, Annika is almost like an indulgence for Shivaay. She's been the forbidden fruit for him, even though at face value, it felt like it was the other way around. Society's morals bind Annika, Shivaay's own morals bind him. We can break the expectations that others put on us, but breaking our own? It's a blow to one's own belief system, and essentially, to one's complete being.

At this point, Shivaay and Annika want each other. Both of them, desperately, unconditionally. They indulge in each other, they fight with each other, they tease each other.
They kind of remind of Gossip Girl's Chuck and Blair, who for so long, had an intense desire for each other. They ended up fulfilling it, with repeated hook-ups, and on and off dating, but that was that. That's where ShivIka are for me right now. The flirting, the hugs, the touching, these all play testament to the want.
At one point, this want will move to need. When they're in love, the want will fuel their desire, but the need will fuel their love.

What I really loved about tonight's scene was that we got some subtle insight into both Shivaay and Annika's characters.
I think that inwardly, Shivaay is still more aware of his feelings. The fact that he relentlessly flirted with her today, so obviously at that, really says something. This man is extremely guarded, and to think that he exposed how attracted he is to her today, is huge. Furthermore, his unabashedness with the whole situation, the determination with which he snaked his arms around her waist, almost whispering in her ear, told us that his comfort with Annika being his wife was at a peak. He knows that he has a right to her, he always has. Even when she was his wedding planner, the thought of her being engaged to another man reduced him to tears. Now that he knows that she is his wife, his possessiveness knows no bounds.
Today, by letting him touch her, and being able to elicit the reaction that he did, Annika has given him the green card as well.
On the other hand, I thought what we learnt about Annika was really interesting. All her life, she has never really been subject to affection, aside from what Sahil gives her. She's always felt unwanted to a certain extent, and being with Shivaay really changes that. To have her desire for him being equally matched, or even trumped, ignites a previously unknown happiness in her. So even though I would love to see Annika playing hard to get, the truth is that she, albeit more subtly, mirrors Shivaay's emotions.

Something else that I've noticed over the past few weeks is that, Annika marks Shivaay as her own as well. She's possessive about him too, and in front of Tia, its not that subtle anymore. She's ideal in that sense, she gives him ample space with his family, up to the extent where she is consciously making sure that they are not angry at him because of her, but she also knows what is hers. Again, as we saw in one of the bytes a few days ago, Annika is terrified to lose Shivaay, because she's scared that he'll 'leave like everyone else did'. It's a bittersweet equation, because again, Shivaay is the only thing that Annika can really claim as 'hers'. As hard as it is to stomach, and even though both brother and sister deny it vehemently, even Sahil is not Annika's real brother. So, at the prospect of losing someone that she is entitled to; someone that she can care about, love, and have that all returned tenfold, Annika completely breaks. Moreover, we've seen Annika's faith and Shivaay's concern extremely clearly, it's now time to see those roles reversed.
This has potential to be a really interesting and touching theme if the writers can explore it well, because while strengthening Shivaay and Annika's relationship further, it also gives them a plausible entry into Annika's past, and how both Shivaay and Annika deal with it.

Now that I've pretty much ranted about the shortcomings, and what I want to see, let's talk about what that scene really did for me in a positive light.

For the two weeks or so, I see this pattern emerging when I watch Ishqbaaaz, and more specifically, Shivaay and Annika.
Their relationship dynamic, and their character growth completely blows me away. Aside from some misgivings, I think that their relationship has been carved absolutely beautifully, and the elements that make up ShivIka are so fantastically portrayed.
There's been an obvious effort from the writers on this angle; the mirrors from the past, and the reflections on their present is quite contrived, but it achieves what it needs to. Whenever I watch the recent episodes, I keep thinking, imagine the Shivaay and Annika of Episode 1 doing all of this. It gives me some sort of divine satisfaction to recall a Shivaay that seemed outright disgusted at her touch, and compare it to the Shivaay of now, who actively can't get his hands of her. He's always been caring and protective to his family and his family only, but from going out of his way to destroy a girl he supposedly doesn't care about, to going out his way to protect her, really pulls at my heartstrings. His overarching concern, desire and admiration for her is so fantastic to watch on screen, because of what he used to be, and what he has become.

On the other hand, I love how much more mature Annika has gotten; and that they've really drawn a line between her being immature and her being feisty. I think in the early episodes Annika got on my nerves because of how uncouth she was at times, but as time has passed, she's ended up being my favourite character and I think that is completely owed to her character growth. I think she's the perfect balance between feisty, energetic and determined and kind, compassionate, mature and understanding. I might be a bit biased here, but (if we assume that Ishaana as a character wasn't finished), out of all the Oberoi daughter-in-laws, Annika has the potential to be the most ideal, with the family (which she already is) and in society (with a bit of training). The fact that she has been so independent for so long really gives her the opportunity to handle socialites in a way that (while knowledgeable) naive Saumya, and wild Ishaana would not be able to. I've watched plenty of GK's shows before, and in my opinion, Annika is easily the most beautiful female lead she has had so far.

Anyhow, I think I'll stop ranting now because this post is getting impossibly long! Sorry for the long read, and thank you for the brilliant post 😃

With love,
Innika
Edited by Innika - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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First off, Happy New Year, lovely!
So I just finished watching the episode, and I genuinely meant to go write an analysis post on today's ShivIka, but this post is perfect for me to rant on!

(Brace yourself!)

Today's episode triggered a lot of mixed emotions for me.
As much as I loved Shivaay's concern, RumYa's exchange on the stairs, and the sizzling ShivIka under-the-stairs romance, I'm a bit confused.
I think the CVs made the same mistake again that they did with the Kajra Re sequence. It doesn't really fit in the current time frame. This one wasn't as random as the dance, but I can't really see where the lines blurred. The windscreen reenactment, them bursting into laughter was cute, and subtle enough to be remotely believable, but the dance and now this scene, doesn't really work for me.

Shivaay has always been the master of control, and even with his growing attraction for Annika, has kept himself away from her (for all rights and purposes, at least) because of his need to fulfil his duties towards his family. I don't understand now, how this man could suddenly do a 360?
Just my P.O.V and I may be wrong.
I don't think he has done a 360 as such because I firmly believe he has started to consider Annika as family (wife and partner) from the time Tia announced her pregnancy and turned him into a puppet on her strings. He even said to Pinky that Annika is standing by him and believes in his innocence even when his mother will not. The dynamic changed I believe the day he held her hand and led her to Tia's house when she threatened suicide. He knew that he was not going to let Annika out of his sight or leave his side ever from that day forward. His 'good old Annika' was back and there was not way in hell he was going to let anything come between them again. They now resemble the 'Siamese Twins' most days on IB and are almost joint at the hip ...lol

Also, he still firmly believes the child is not his as far as I understood but because he was proven wrong twice has conceded to accept it for now. He understands that Mrs. Kapoor is playing a game and hence even gambled with Om's secret. I believe he is only trying to buy time so that he can gather some kind of info to sort this problem.

So he is, as far as he is concerned, in a committed relationship with Annika not Tia presently because of his acceptance of her as his present partner/wife. We all know how seriously Mr. Shivvay Singh Oberoi takes his relationships in life.

He controlled his emotions around Annika only because he thought Tia was an honest, good and moral person who he would wrong by cheating on. She broke that image by shaming him before his family by accusing him of something he didn't even do. I do not think that left too much room of a positive feeling towards Tia after that.
Whereas just a day or so prior to that when his treatment of Annika was revealed Annika actually did damage control and handled the issue with grace and dignity.
So as far as he is concerned, until the divorce happens he is Annika's rightful 'pati'... lol


To a certain extent, he does love her, and it is obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes, that he is insanely attracted to her. She, in turn, reciprocates this; she has this unwavering faith in him that for me, is one of the most beautiful facets of their relationship. The fact that she fantasises about him at one point, tells me that she's quite attracted to him as well.
My question is, is that enough?
The circumstances that their wedding happened under was difficult, at best. I feel like we still haven't really see the aftermath of that fall onto them yet, what with all the other drama in their lives. I really want to see a point where Annika tells him that she does resent him for what he did to her, regardless of her and his feelings towards each other. Some things are better left open, but I think that their askewed wedding definitely needs closure.
I completely agree because this romance otherwise looks very out of place as far as I am concerned.
The actions from the past need to be addressed and I have a feeling that will come but at the right time. It will come at a time when Shivvay least expects it to come. It will come at a time when he has grown complacent in the fact that they are happily married. It will come at a time of peace when OM is free of the 3 vamps and all the other 'nautanki' that is going on. It will come at a time when Shivvay has forgotten his past deeds and is busy planning his future with Annika. That will be the blow that will knock the wind out of his sails because as you said it was not a real and proper wedding. She was not proposed to and brought home as his wife with full honor due to her.
If he beats her to it and redeems himself by proposing it all on his own then I guess that is a different story.
Shivvay is dependent on Annika right now and does feel strong emotions for her but not enough to actually as her to stop when she is leaving the house. He had to do that in a round about way and not directly and even then it was as though he could still go on without her even if it meant being in intense pain.
Of course I understand he did so because of Tia and her mothers tricks but still his need was not enough to rule his mind. Still controlled and very much in control not like he was when she almost died.
Shivvay needs to be where Om and Dadi predicted he would be if he met the girl who he would not be able to live without. That needs to happen and for that to happen Shivvay needs more occasions to flirt and get more intimate romantic moments with Annika. He needs to let the heart lead not the mind. He needs to stop analyzing all he feels and why he feels it. He needs to JUST FEEL. He needs to let his whole life start revolving around her and hence they need to show these romantic build ups only then will we see him ...
I wouldn't mind seeing him pine for her, both emotionally and physically.

All I can say in conclusion is that the NKK jaap is slowly beginning to
sound hollow to the man.






Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: asya34


Thank you for replying, I love having intelligent debates on the forum!

First off, hope you're having a good new year 😊

Okay so, in retrospect, maybe 360 wasn't really the best term for what i thought. You were completely fair in the way that you broke down their relationship growth, and in the way that you pinpointed that the change was really made when he takes Annika to Tia's house. However, I think 360 was used in quite an allusive tone; that even with the growing change, Shivaay has not openly flirted with Annika like this, in such a difficult context. While they are growing closer, I think that their transition from care and understanding to romance could have been more artfully done. That being said, everyone looks at different situations from their respective opinions.

As for the resentment coming at a later, theoretically more happier point of their live, I completely agree. I feel like for a relationship to fully thrive, it needs to start off with some sort of grounding. Otherwise, that resentment will eventually linger in at a time where there is no choice but to separate.
Like you said, he could go on without her, just with immense pain. To an extent, he has become dependent on her, so when (and if) Annika finally breaks, it will come as a huge blow for him.
From Annika's perspective, it's quite a realistic situation. A woman who prides herself on her staunch self-respect and independence, essentially gets forced into a relationship that she doesn't initially want. It's probably even more painful for her, because at one point, she will realise that she's completely in love with him, and that by letting herself do that, she's further lost her independence. If a time like this ever comes, it will be absolutely torturous for both parties; he's all about moving on and starting anew with her, even if that means overlooking all that he has done, while she can't bring herself to fully accept the relationship, going through what she has.

And I completely agree about Shivaay feeling! What with those three psychopaths roaming around Oberoi Mansion, and having to deal with his Mrs. Kapoor and Om's supposed illegitimacy, the poor guy rarely gets the time to romance his wife!
Even more so, when he does, he catches himself and pushes her away, in an attempt to forgo his feelings. Saying that though, the fact that he does openly flirt with her in yesterday's episode, hints that he is becoming more at one with the way he feels. I think what they've done really well with Shivaay's character and kept consistent is the fact that he's quite aware about his feelings, but he keeps them completely repressed. Years of being the Great Wall has pretty much embittered him; and until Annika, he was quite happy being that way.

Hope some of my thoughts make a bit more sense now?

With love,
Innika

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: asya34


Asya love, thank you so much for your comment and actually taking time to reply to each question!! And wishing you a very happy new year too!!

I get it that Anika somehow knew that Shivaay had his own reasons for going through the divorce!! It was obvious from the sheer relief on his face when she came back! But the fact remains that she thinks that the divorce papers have been forwarded to make the divorce happen, whether he will let her go from his life or OM is different matter all together!!

I would like to believe you, that Ani hasn't forgiven him and eventually will leave him and he will have to woo her back!! If this happens, hugs and chocolates from me to you!! Thats because even though, it will hurt me that Ani is still a bit broken about what happened, its natural for her to be after what he has done and he totally deserves to feel bad, and apologize for his actions and not just sweep the whole marriage fiasco under the carpet without even acknowledging how wrong he was in treating Ani like a rag doll. But I agree 100 percent on how the show will deal with it if it comes up again...And the truth is, I feel that as much as I would love to see it personally, I am unsure about the vast audience who contribute to the trps.

I agree with you 100% on the NKK thing!! See, thats why I made this post. Because I felt that if he wasn't ok with Ani's lack of NKAK, he is just going to lead her on with all his romance today , something he has never done before in his full senses, and ultimately hurt her all over again!! But I liked what you said about Om calling Shivaay out on his double standards part and his own admission that his beliefs were stupid.

I loved your take on Ani being the cool wife. You know how much I love her!! And I have read from you and many others justifying and making sense of their romance today!! I must tell you, I went and rewatched all the scenes again after reading and replying to everyone and I was able to enjoy it a lot more!! But I fear for my girl. She has, in his hands, lost her independence and yet somehow by not showing her vulnerable side, managed to keep her heart, a little bit broken yet somewhat safe...but I fear, beginning with this harmless flirting, she will be in the way to getting her heart irreparably broken.

So if Shivaay has a bigger plan and is just buying time to make a move, I am all ears and eyes for their romance. Otherwise, as much as I love their sizzling chemistry, I would prefer that he doesn't confuse or lead on the girl he loves till he is sure he can give her what she truly deserves, his heart and his name( whether she wants it or not!!)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Simplypriceless

Nowadays I kinda get Shivaay and his spilt personality I can never hate him no matter how much I tried. I am always team Anika but I love Shivaay as much too just Anika abit more 😛

When he MU her "ONS" with Daksh he preponed his wedding because the "ONS" effected him alot he was heartbroken because he thought there was something between them he did told her so that she break his heart. Only a man in love will be so effected.

She is what he wants and he knows that but he stuck between the whole everything is a deal. Whatever it might be he can't live without her, I do wish we have a Shivika separation track in the future would love to see Shivaay missing Anika.


I dont know if I fully get him Aaliyah because as far as Ani is concerned he is quite unpredictable!! And I have always always been partial to Ani as well ! I mean Shivaay intrigued me and but this girl won me over long long ago!!
I never doubted his feelings for Ani yaar...I know that he loves her. But he is thick skinned enough to marry another girl right under Ani 's nose even if it kills him to do it because of his rigid principles so thats why I have a problem. He will hurt himself and her because of this and for a girl who has never been in love or exposed her vulnerable side like Ani had yesterday, she is going to be broken if she is led on and her feelings are reciprocated and then cruelly withdrawn. And that too at a time when all their old wounds are still left unadressed.
I love your idea of a possible Shivika separation even though it will be painful to see Shivika apart because Shivaay deserves to pine for her just a little and really apologise for his past actions!!
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Originally posted by: Simplypriceless

I don't think Shivaay behavior is taking any U turn atleast not after this whole flirting incident because that emotional scene where she told him his life is in danger is still yet to come.


Oh, I saw the segment too..and I believe that he may not take the 360 degree turn after all this but what happens the next time he meets the media or has to introduce his wife to a business partner or dance with her at a society ball or something?? Thats when his NKK will come into play and when he will change because his beliefs are very much in place. Thats why I am worried!!
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Innika, happy new year to you too darling!!
I almost envy the clarity with which you write, as I am a very muddled soul and I tend to succumb to circumstantiality and many time miss the whole point that I want to make.

So reading your whole post made me go 'yes, exactly' and nod throughout because you penned down so much of what was bothering me about yesterday's episode that I couldn't include in my main post.

I loved the Shivika romance and their sizzling chemistry yesterday too...but I too had issues with the timing of the whole thing... it would have been better later, when the issues between them were resolved or a bit earlier, when it could be termed as spontaneous and brushed off as a random challenge or something.

Because right now, even though we know that Shivaay is in love with her and is attracted to her and she is his wife, he hasn't given her her due as a husband, not acknowleged her in pubic and no one outside the walls of OM know about her being his wife. And to make that decision, he needs to overcome his NKK obsession and literally propose to her and for her to accept, she has to put all the bad blood between them in the past which can only be done if he apologises and she forgives him for putting her through hell in the past!!

Originally posted by: Innika

I think that at one point, he might just have to let her go.
For one, Annika is almost like an indulgence for Shivaay. She's been the forbidden fruit for him, even though at face value, it felt like it was the other way around. Society's morals bind Annika, Shivaay's own morals bind him. We can break the expectations that others put on us, but breaking our own? It's a blow to one's own belief system, and essentially, to one's complete being.

This was just beautiful...I loved the way you wrote it!! This is Shivaay, his pride and beliefs define him and its because I know beliefs dont change overnight, that I am not ok with him making Ani vunerable because till now he had chosen never to act on his feelings, no matter how strong because of the fact that he knew that he could never have her and respected her to never lead her on at all!!

On the other hand, I thought what we learnt about Annika was really interesting. All her life, she has never really been subject to affection, aside from what Sahil gives her. She's always felt unwanted to a certain extent, and being with Shivaay really changes that. To have her desire for him being equally matched, or even trumped, ignites a previously unknown happiness in her. So even though I would love to see Annika playing hard to get, the truth is that she, albeit more subtly, mirrors Shivaay's emotions.

Something else that I've noticed over the past few weeks is that, Annika marks Shivaay as her own as well. She's possessive about him too, and in front of Tia, its not that subtle anymore. She's ideal in that sense, she gives him ample space with his family, up to the extent where she is consciously making sure that they are not angry at him because of her, but she also knows what is hers. Again, as we saw in one of the bytes a few days ago, Annika is terrified to lose Shivaay, because she's scared that he'll 'leave like everyone else did'. It's a bittersweet equation, because again, Shivaay is the only thing that Annika can really claim as 'hers'. As hard as it is to stomach, and even though both brother and sister deny it vehemently, even Sahil is not Annika's real brother. So, at the prospect of losing someone that she is entitled to; someone that she can care about, love, and have that all returned tenfold, Annika completely breaks. Moreover, we've seen Annika's faith and Shivaay's concern extremely clearly, it's now time to see those roles reversed.

This is another thing that makes me feel bad. See , for a girl like Ani, who was as practical as they come, who believed that 'girls like her could never be loved' and who has had everyone she ever loved taken away from her and never had anyone for herself, to be acknowledged as his wife and given care and eventually have that right taken away will be painful. I am not overlooking Shivaay's pain here, but I am saying this knowing that he is idiotic enough to let her leave the title of Mrs. SSO inspite of loving her to the point of madness because of his belief system. So unless he has bigger plans and decides to completely accept Ani for who she is, this romance will be meaningless and just pave way for more pain and heartbreak!!


Now that I've pretty much ranted about the shortcomings, and what I want to see, let's talk about what that scene really did for me in a positive light.

For the two weeks or so, I see this pattern emerging when I watch Ishqbaaaz, and more specifically, Shivaay and Annika.Whenever I watch the recent episodes, I keep thinking, imagine the Shivaay and Annika of Episode 1 doing all of this. It gives me some sort of divine satisfaction to recall a Shivaay that seemed outright disgusted at her touch, and compare it to the Shivaay of now, who actively can't get his hands of her. He's always been caring and protective to his family and his family only, but from going out of his way to destroy a girl he supposedly doesn't care about, to going out his way to protect her, really pulls at my heartstrings. His overarching concern, desire and admiration for her is so fantastic to watch on screen, because of what he used to be, and what he has become.

On the other hand, I love how much more mature Annika has gotten; and that they've really drawn a line between her being immature and her being feisty. I might be a bit biased here, but (if we assume that Ishaana as a character wasn't finished), out of all the Oberoi daughter-in-laws, Annika has the potential to be the most ideal, with the family (which she already is) and in society (with a bit of training). The fact that she has been so independent for so long really gives her the opportunity to handle socialites in a way that (while knowledgeable) naive Saumya, and wild Ishaana would not be able to. I've watched plenty of GK's shows before, and in my opinion, Annika is easily the most beautiful female lead she has had so far.


I totally loved what you said about how much they have grown!! Its hard to believe that they are the same people who hated each other on sight anymore isn't it?? And I feel happy that she is very much under the protection of the great wall now. I doubt that will change , even in the event of a possible Shivika separation in the future. And I have always believed that Ani can be under the guidance of Jhanvi or someone, become polished enough to play a Mrs. Oberoi perfectly well if Tia was the best choice previously. I think, and I admit that I may be biased, for someone who has literally had no one to teach her even the basic abcs about etiquette and what not, Ani carries herself with remarkable poise!!

And thanks again for this wonderful post!!

Anyhow, I think I'll stop ranting now because this post is getting impossibly long! Sorry for the long read, and thank you for the brilliant post 😃

With love,
Innika

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