Splash! - Page 8

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

What's with the generalizing and bashing people over what they agree or don't agree?? if someone has a different POV than yours one shld try and discuss it in civil manner maybe they will see things differently (from ur perspective) what's the point of coming together and pointing fingers?? I don't think anyone here's more feminist thanI am, and I enjoyed the last few mins of that particular scene, I watched the episode and concluded that it was good few mins excluded and acted amazingly, I object anything else that was showed the last couple episodes and even couple before that, and shared how I felt about it loud and clear, just I happened to like some scenes doesn't make me any less woman than the rest who hated the whole episode, it doesn't make me not know right from wrong, if someone tries to pull that on me or someone else I will the police in a heartbeat and run for my life or advice anyone else to do the same.

I liked the scene and yes a big yes that to my understanding he was indeed comforting her, yes he was indeed feeling guilt at that particular moment, I do not give him any credit to him for it, I didn't like it cause i found it romantic.

if you didn't think so FINE, don't act just we saw/understood something differently you're superior to others in any form or shape.I'm not indian so I always wonder why they show such cruelty towards women in Indian shows, it bothers me a lot, I don't know if it's something that real happens in real life . i don't know if it's pure fantasy, whatever it's I don't like it period and if someone decides to object it in anyway I'm there to support, if you think someone thinks something wrong as right you don't go around and bash/mock them as reflected on this thrd, try to reason with them, you try to make them understand what's going on,present yourself in more civil manner.

STOP GENERALIZING, Not everyone who liked something you didn't needs help, most know right from wrong.

You can discuss the episode and bash Shivaay or Gul or anyone else involved all you want just try to spare the members here or elsewhere.

Originally posted by: foreverlazy

I dare Gul, actually, scratch that. I dare them all to bring a character like Ishana or Durga (Ek Hasina Thi) back. Female leads who can be loved without being weak playthings simply there for a man's entertainment. If Ishana was still around, it would be revolutionary for women because it's been so long since a character like her has been on screen. Durga was an inspiration because she stood up for what believed in, and she won in the end. I want to see strong female leads like that back on screen. Another great example would be Roshni from Paanch, I don't know if anyone's heard of that though. Think Ek Hasina Thi, college edition, with Roshini as Durga. Characters like that make me feel happy and proud, like our gender is actually well-represented because we are not weak, and enough of us being shown that way.

Originally posted by: richa1792

Thank you for this post!

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See, I read a lot. I have come across despicable characters. Their actions are loathsome. That does not take away from the character or its various layers. Point in case, any of the GOT books. Heck, even Malfoy. We hated him, didn't we? We still loved him though. We hated Jamie and Cersie and still we root for them. My point being, just because you loathe a character's action, does not mean you don't appreciate a character. me being against Shivaay's actions doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the different shades of humanity or lack there of that Gul has showcased. The only thing is, every sin must have an equal redemption. And lets be honest, we ain't gonna find that here. it's an Indian drama. We know that. We don't have to accept that, though.

Also, I am gonna call you a feminist, with pride. Personally, I get really offended if somebody doesn't think of me as a feminist.

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

Great comment and I + 1 it. I have NO issue with grey characters, in fact, Grey is the new black! LOL. I have always loved complicated and imperfect. But that needs to be followed by Redemption! That is something this producer's shows don't have. Men act badly and then forgiven. It leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth. She has never shown a woman get the better of a man. Walk away, make a life for herself and FORCE him to respect her and treat her as an equal. Sweet revenge on a man like this would be SO fun to watch. But we wont get to see it.

The difference between the bad behavior of a so called Hero and the bad behavior of a so called Villian is REDEMPTION! A Hero, will redeem himself. He will "acknowledge" that he is wrong, and the audience will also acknowledge he's wrong and then see him making it right! Making "excuses" for the man, calling his bad actions as the "new good", and insulting people who think his actions were unforgivable is NOT the way to do it.

This producer acts like a teenager and is really rude and a sadist. I have watched several of her shows and she is one of the worst I have come across in the way she treats fans. She is arrogant, dismissive and always loves to insult females in her shows. It's sad she has made a Career out of despising her own sex and showing them as helpless in front of powerful badly behaved men. She cannot do a story for a man who is not bad, coz she doesn't even know how. That is why the other brothers get ignored. They are not Grey enough, villainous enough, to get more of her screen time. She thinks only men like Shivaay who respects no one but blue bloods with money deserve to take center stage. Well she is wrong!

I felt offended reading some of the comments about how HOT Shivaay was while pushing Annika around and some comments about clean sheets? I won't even go into it. To think that a FEMALE producer acts so hyper about a man acting like a maniac and an abuser like he won the Nobel Price for peace was pathetic. The side-show that Gul Khan ran about her excitement for this track was worse than the things portrayed by the track itself. To think Shivaay is any way JUSTIFIED in acting this way is laughable. No one is justified in acting this way. His reasons for forcing a marriage on someone was lame at best. It just proved that "Loss of face" in front of society was all he cared about, and that was no shining endorsement to him. Yes, he acted like a shallow person. But that should not be celebrated or justified. It should be shown for what it is! I think the ONLY reason those scenes were even palatable was because of Nox and SC. Gul should thank her lucky stars their casting is always right.

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

I watched Paanch n can't forget Roshni. D show hardly focussed on Roshni's love life. Roshni fell for a wrong guy but in d end falls for a nice guy only. If it was Star Plus show then everyone wud have wanted Roshni wid Gautam/Gauti only not Nikhil cuz Gauti was grey while Nikhil was sweet. Wat all Roshni did wid her enemies she sud have been called nasty names like criminal, disgustingn wat not. It's hard to create a character like Roshni on Star Plus.

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04

In her longest show, actually d supporting leads were eventually shown strong wen they decided to give back to d people who hurt them. One of them is d actress playing Anika in dis show. She married a guy only to hurt him n then told dat she will romance wid his brother in front of him which he wanted(dat guy was initially decided to marry her to divorce her for his brother but later changed his mind realizing dat he was doing wrong but his brother created mu between him n dat girl). She started roaming wid his brother though not kissing or sleeping wid him to hurt him. But people did not accepted a woman taking such a revenge n called her dirty names even shaming her for d change of dressing sense into more stylish sarees. Only few people supported her in wateva she do. If dat girl was a man then people wud ave sympathesized wid dat man n no one wud point fingers at him. Later dat girl planned to take revenge on dat younger brother who killed her husband(but he was alive). Dats why I liked SC in dat show more than dis show as her character was shown realistic there. Can Gul dare to show her again like her previous character now in dis show where she is d lead instead of a supporting character?

Originally posted by: foreverlazy

I could not have cared less about Roshni's love interest. I was amazed by both Shetal and Rashi (who played Gauri), that is how you debut! Paanch will go down in history as one of my most favorite youth shows, mainly because Roshni and Gauri, who were both strong in their own ways. But you're absolutely right! If people reacted like that to Ishana, god knows what their reaction would've been like to a character like Roshni. My only saving grace right now for Indian television is probably Behyad, it's tue first time I'm seeing such a dark female lead on Indian television.

Originally posted by: foreverlazy

The only thing I didn't like was how SC's character was always sidelined, so her entire storyline ended up being really messy. I liked the direction it was going in, and if only they'd focused, it would've turned out a lot better.

Originally posted by: Anjum.

The presence of this is undeniable. Shivaay repeatedly put his hands on Annika, swung her around and threw her on a bed and on the floor. He was aggressive and threatening. He also implied that if she did not comply with his demands, he would remove her clothes and force her to do as he said. That would be viewed as sexual assault in the US.

So basically, yesterday we saw a male character physically assault a female character and, if that wasn't enough, he blatantly threatened to sexually assault her.

Along with seeing these actions take place, we saw it in the context of romantic music. It was not "scary" or "action-type" music, it was the romantic theme that we usually saw used for when the hero would rescue the heroine, or when both would stare at each other with genuine love and care. Playing a romantic track with such violence implies that this, too, is a romantic moment. So when people accuse the show of romanticizing/normalizing violence, this is what they're talking about.