The Positive Side? The 'Something New'? - Page 2

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

The Pool scene - Shivaay's character was not explored fully (Anika was a stranger) and I assumed he was Dark.. Not condoning his action(and obviously it cannot be excused..) But I can still accept it as a character trait.. Not a good character but still..

In the past 3 months, He has interacted with Anika. We have seen his good side.. Ohh come-on 10 mins before the abuse, he was reminiscing their O-Jaana moments and giving himself a peep talk..Aaj ka reaction is unacceptable and cannot be justified in anyway.. Character growth naam ki bhi koi cheez hoti hai.. Dark character banana tha toh dark hi rehne dete.. My biggest issue is yeh pendulum jaisa jo Shivaay ka character idhar udhar pheek rahein hai.. Decide kar lo.. Dark hai ya Gray ya White(sarwagun sampan 🤢)

PS: Acting was top-notch.. And hence I feel even more sad.. Good material given to these 2 would have created history.. 😭

Originally posted by: Shivikaishkara

These are the precise points why I don't hate today's episode...

This is Shivaay Singh Oberoi. This is the inhuman man who only has emotions for his family. This is the ruthless devil who has a soft corner only for his own family. I agree today's Shivaay Singh Oberoi was not different from the one who brought a girl and his brother on streets, who had threatened to rape a girl just for insulting him.

We audience have a habit of having ML melt down and go OOC from their earlier avatars for and due to FL but for once the writers have kept him the same. The only reason for Shivaay's softness towarsds Anika was probably because he was subconsciously accepting her. But today she threatened his family and its name (according to him) so he was back to being the devil he is.

I'm not justifying his behaviour. It was downright disgusting but not different from his character. I'm just saying that if we were expecting a love story after the earlier episodes how can we suddenly not today.

As for tomorrow, I'm not going to judge him from the precap. Its a lesson learnt the hard way. I'll see the next few episodes and then give my opinion.

Originally posted by: fallingpieces

@bold: YES OMG. At the beginning I thought that was how they were going to play the three brothers:

Shivaay- undoubtedly a dark character but who realises the error of his ways and becomes a better man eventually by meeting a woman strong enough to call him on his bullshit and tear down his walls, his ego and his prejudices.

Omkara- the grey character who finds it within himself to understand and forgive and love a girl who herself has so many shades of grey she doesn't even know which side she falls on anymore. GDI NOW I'M SAD ABOUT THE DEATH OF ISHKARA ALL OVER AGAIN.

Rudra- the pure, innocent uncorrupted character who is the balance for his brothers. Who is the good they won't let come to harm but who eventually is revealed to have his own struggles and who shows that it is possible to come through adversity without becoming tainted or corrupted by it.

WHERE IS MY CONSISTENCY YAAARRR?!!!!?!?! The characters have done like a 100 episode backtrack in the space of one episode and I mean, I can dig it... but then why depict Shivaay as such a complete pansy for so long without so much as a hint of this inner demon? -_-

Originally posted by: fallingpieces

Shivaay's behaviour towards Anika today was cruel, it was ruthless, I don't think it would be an exaggeration to call the last few minutes downright evil. We are all, without exception, disgusted by his behaviour. Shivaay pushed Anika around, he physically threatened her, he pushed her over, he threatened to strip her and force her into the wedding clothes himself. In the Precap he's going to emotionally crush her by pretending to blow up her younger brother...

To be honest I don't know why anyone is surprised because I personally thought him threatening to rape her in the pool was about on par with this, and pretending to blow up Sahil isn't really all that different to when he actually stole away Anika's home, livelihood and potential to adopt Sahil. I think we've just forgotten that SSO because of all the Billu Ji-ing we've seen in between.

But all of that we managed to excuse.

Today?

There is no excusing it. Nobody, not even those who think they can understand why SSO snapped in this manner is trying to excuse what he did.

And that's precisely where I see the positive.

It wasn't made to be romantic. Shivaay was nothing short of terrifying and Anika was nothing short of terrified. This kind of manhandling has always been made to appear romantic or passionate. "Tashan" (TrademarkGulKhan 😆) . But I didn't see any attempt to depict that today. Everything from Shivaay's expressions to Anika's reactions to their tones to their actions... nothing was romantic about it.

Shivaay's grip on Anika was vicious, his eyes looked half crazed, when he put his foot up on the bed beside her I swear I almost vomited in my mouth. Nakuul played it perfectly, lines which could have been so romantic "Mere naam ka mangalsutra pehnogi... Mere naam ka sindoor daalogi... Mere biwi banogi par..." were said with such vitriol that the juxtaposition of what he was saying with how he was saying it just made it even more terrifying. If it was jarring for us as viewers to watch, imagining how Anika must be feeling to be suddenly faced with this Rakshas where she had once seen a Rajkumar is nothing short of devastating.

Judging from the discussions between GK and her writer on Instagram, this almost certainly wasn't deliberate from the writers' side and it was supposed to be played as the standard "Shivaay is a desperate hero and can do anything for his family but he also loves Anika, his tashan is just overflowing"... so full credit actually goes to Nakuul for playing him this way. He played Shivaay perfectly. There was no remorse, no guilt, no regret shown for what he did to Anika. He did not allow the viewers the option of sympathising with Shivaay or excusing this kind of behaviour.

Sure, Shivaay may redeem himself in the future but for today, he was shown to be unapologetically the villain. Every villain thinks they're the hero of their own story and okay, I accept that what Shivaay has done was done out of rage and desperation. But for Anika, the victim and target of that unfiltered emotion? It was horrifying.

I thank the Lord that Nakuul and Surbhi drew on all of that without trying to make any of it romantic, without trying to depict any positive emotions in fact. Just raw rage and fear respectively.

That's what's new. This show really does have some fantastic actors and actresses and after today, I'm going to try to breathe easy because even if the script objectively makes me sick, the actors provide another quite solid filter of protection before I'm forced to try and stomach it.

I'm trusting you NaRbhi. Don't let me down 😆

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Exactly consistency!!! 😭

Pool scene and the other previous scenes mein I hated him and so did Anika (which made them even better)

Phir dheere dheere he mellowed down.. and I liked that as well.. At-least he is learning and growing.. (I still wanted him to go to jail once because he had sent Anika to Jail).

Then He became her great wall of shivaay.. . He did not scream at her even when she accused Tia or by mistake did not realize Om ki situation and they had mature talks. I was like see character growth!! 😭

3 days pehle I was happy when he asked himself - Can Anika do this? And then shook his head as a NO(scene was deleted the next day 😕) or did not scream at Anika after the MU but instead destroyed the plate.. I was like see character growth!! 😭

And then downhill.. 😭

Aaj I knew that thapad ke baad pagla jayega.. But this is too much.. Such scenes should come with a statutory warning.. And they should be banned from playing OJaana for such scenes(Any version - sad, happy, instrumental) 😡

Originally posted by: fallingpieces

The absolute expressionless, detached way in which he just goes "boom" was so jarring for me to watch.

Originally posted by: PurplePantsuit

So can I say something somewhat contrary here?

I think that I was much more disgusted by the violence that I saw in the starting episodes of this show than what I saw today.

My story with watching Ishqbaaz started because the show appeared to be about three brothers -- and I love shows with male bonding. (So sue me -- I'm weird that way. 😆)

But I stopped watching when I saw Shivaay treat Anika the way he did. Gratuitous violence towards young females that you dismiss as garbage on the street. That was sick, according to me, and I was sick of seeing that in the recent shows on India telly. Having guys treat women like that as heros in a show turn my stomach.

But this time around? I am more puzzled by the violence than anything else. It seems deliberate to me.

So, where did the violence start? When she slapped him. If he was going to be crazy violent, then why the long pause? Most violent beasts respond immediately. Shivaay paused. His eyes cleared. Then it became determined. And then he started his rampage.

I agree it was sickening. I agree that when he placed his foot on the bed, I was shocked despite myself. With that necklace dangling off his neck and the arrogance of that stance, he reminded me of some feudal landowner lord who had his way with everything and everyone around him. And it made me feel sick.

But I couldn't forget the deliberate change in his face after the slap.

This is the Pressure Cooker Shivaay who has been stewing for a long time about how to deal with his feelings for Anika. This is the guy who used violence to push her to go home just so that she would be protected from Daksh using her as a toy for the night. This is the guy who had to keep telling himself in the mirror to focus on getting married when all he could think of was her and being betrayed by her.

I think that Shivaay acted today with a plan in his mind, all thought out in that brief moment after the clarifying slap.

I have no idea what the plan is.

And no, that doesn't excuse his behaviour. Even if it is a deliberate act to strip from Anika every feeling of companionship or sympathy or even the something-belween-them that Anika and he have felt over and over again. Because after all, she is very nice and he is very bad and nice girls shouldn't be with bad guys, or try to do things like get them out of jail or forgive them when they use them for their evil purposes.

But if there is a plan concocted in Pressure Cooker Tight Shivaay's head, then I'd like to wait and find out what it is before writing him off _that_ completely.

Just saying.

Confession: I have only seen the episode without the volume on! So I really don't know _any_ of the conversation! Do you think that I will write Shivaay off if I heard the dialogue as well? 😆

Originally posted by: PurplePantsuit

So can I say something somewhat contrary here?

I think that I was much more disgusted by the violence that I saw in the starting episodes of this show than what I saw today.

My story with watching Ishqbaaz started because the show appeared to be about three brothers -- and I love shows with male bonding. (So sue me -- I'm weird that way. 😆)

But I stopped watching when I saw Shivaay treat Anika the way he did. Gratuitous violence towards young females that you dismiss as garbage on the street. That was sick, according to me, and I was sick of seeing that in the recent shows on India telly. Having guys treat women like that as heros in a show turn my stomach.

But this time around? I am more puzzled by the violence than anything else. It seems deliberate to me.

So, where did the violence start? When she slapped him. If he was going to be crazy violent, then why the long pause? Most violent beasts respond immediately. Shivaay paused. His eyes cleared. Then it became determined. And then he started his rampage.

I agree it was sickening. I agree that when he placed his foot on the bed, I was shocked despite myself. With that necklace dangling off his neck and the arrogance of that stance, he reminded me of some feudal landowner lord who had his way with everything and everyone around him. And it made me feel sick.

But I couldn't forget the deliberate change in his face after the slap.

This is the Pressure Cooker Shivaay who has been stewing for a long time about how to deal with his feelings for Anika. This is the guy who used violence to push her to go home just so that she would be protected from Daksh using her as a toy for the night. This is the guy who had to keep telling himself in the mirror to focus on getting married when all he could think of was her and being betrayed by her.

I think that Shivaay acted today with a plan in his mind, all thought out in that brief moment after the clarifying slap.

I have no idea what the plan is.

And no, that doesn't excuse his behaviour. Even if it is a deliberate act to strip from Anika every feeling of companionship or sympathy or even the something-belween-them that Anika and he have felt over and over again. Because after all, she is very nice and he is very bad and nice girls shouldn't be with bad guys, or try to do things like get them out of jail or forgive them when they use them for their evil purposes.

But if there is a plan concocted in Pressure Cooker Tight Shivaay's head, then I'd like to wait and find out what it is before writing him off _that_ completely.

Just saying.

Confession: I have only seen the episode without the volume on! So I really don't know _any_ of the conversation! Do you think that I will write Shivaay off if I heard the dialogue as well? 😆

Originally posted by: hamzanuha

OT - Have you ever read P.G.Wodehouse? There's a character called Lord Ickenham (Uncle Fred) whose mantra to bring the girl around is "grabbing the girl, waggling her about a bit, showering kisses on her upturned face and making some such remark as "My mate"! Clench the teeth of course, while saying that. It adds conviction."

Gul seems to be following a combination of this and 50 shades of grey (sadism)