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Originally posted by: Crazy4Mayur
This post is like a 'Bitter Truth' for Shivay and Shivika Fans and I agree to it, m sure many others too😆 But its not double standards, its his confused feelings...the ego clashes and the war between his ideologies and beliefs and his Feelings for someone
He doesn't know wat he wants from himself and from her!Doesn't even realize why he is doing this...to hurt her, to push her away or to pull her closerHe is running away from his own feelings but not even for a moment can see her or even think about her with someone else!He wanted to question her a lot m sure, scream at her, tell her that she belongs to him but he knew he couldn't...coz he did the same...he had no right to question her...hence the Congratulations!She was shaken...deeply hurt that he Congratulated her...so she retaliated the hurt back with a thank you!Both were equally hurt, pained! 💔
Originally posted by: napstermonster
Shades of Arnav Khushi, Lavyana and Shaym people! The situation is pretty close parallelsed, only there has been SOME growth on the part of the male lead (not a cruel jerk ), and the female one (not a childish saint) -- At least SSO didn't get engaged to a perfectly decent, loving, nice girl out of spite and cowardice an --Shivaay was already all set to marry Tia before Anika entered his world, which helps, somewhat.But coming to the TM, I thought long and hard about her words (excellent post, BTW), and I think, the words are not 100% valid--YET. They WILL be 100% valid-TOMORROW. Just my opinion, so please don't get upset, but everyone posting here seems to be rational, nice forumwasis with a very civil nature, so I'm going to go out on a limb!
See, there is a defence for the idea he spoke for her--she has let him do this, before, and to Daksh. She answered him at the poolside, though he didn't deserve the answer and had no right to get it.--I said no, what do you think? And though he didn't deserve it, upto that point, he got the response he wanted. Dil ko thandak mila.
And when she accused Daksh of being the stalker and Tia was being a grade A witch and demanding she apologize, Shivaay spoke FOR her, TO Daksh--and she let him do that, too.That's a huge transition for these two -- from not saying sorry to her, ever, to him saying sorry to someone else, ON her behalf. Other posters back then pointed out to me that this was very significant, since "Uksi taraf se me bolti hu" is only valid, or even accepted, when the "uski" and "mei" are family, or when that person is close enough to you to be able to take decisions for you, or to voice things you did not say. Its a haq.
So his "No means No, Don't embarrass her,Stop it, her answer is NO!" --- of COURSE it came from the "mine mine mine!" four year old inside this idiot of a man, who wont play with this toy, will break this toy, but woe betide anyone who reaches for the toy. Of course it was an indefensible bit of male ownership, the whole "I will do whatever I want, its my sangeet, but you will stay there, on the sidelines, so I can stare at you until I am 50." It came from that, his rage, his defensive move towards her when Daksh dances and touches her, (LIKE HE WAS DOING) and Shivaay leaves Tia to aggressively go and try to stop that nonsense--no right to stop it, really, but he has been given the rights over her body, to protect it, defend it, fight for it. She let him have that right, UNTIL last night, and took that right back, TODAY.SO-- The right to say it, on her behalf--that came from her, from before, when he did say something to this very same guy, and she was grateful to him, she let him. And the right to speak for her is something he has exerted in the past, too, no objection-- Anika will do this, will go here, will go home with me, will rest, will drink juice, will not be stupid and be a musibbat magnet, will be protected, will listen."What she took back today was his rights, period. Not her love, but his haq. And what she did--giving those rights to someone else, giving him nothing more than what HE, Shivaay has given her--that will result in him truly turning into a hypocrite when he manhandles her, going forward.. That is when the possessiveness becomes abuse--when you TAKE it by force, as opposed to being given it by trust. When (if??) he says offensive things about her izzat / character because she spent a night in her fianc's bedroom, like 70% of women in modern day India today might do, with the man they are committed to.Tomorrow, his judgment, his rage, his manhandling will earn him the TM's comment. Because until today, he has right to speak, to protect, to defend and to do haq jatana--she gave him these, whether he deserved them, or earned them, or was marrying Tia or not.Tomorrow, he no longer has jack.
Originally posted by: Crazy4Mayur
This post is like a 'Bitter Truth' for Shivay and Shivika Fans and I agree to it, m sure many others too😆 But its not double standards, its his confused feelings...the ego clashes and the war between his ideologies and beliefs and his Feelings for someone
He doesn't know wat he wants from himself and from her!Doesn't even realize why he is doing this...to hurt her, to push her away or to pull her closerHe is running away from his own feelings but not even for a moment can see her or even think about her with someone else!He wanted to question her a lot m sure, scream at her, tell her that she belongs to him but he knew he couldn't...coz he did the same...he had no right to question her...hence the Congratulations!She was shaken...deeply hurt that he Congratulated her...so she retaliated the hurt back with a thank you!Both were equally hurt, pained! 💔
Originally posted by: hermione24
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and marrying tia was his plan prior meeting annika. even without all these chip on his shoulder, he may not have had accepted annika for he is a very responsible guy and he won't be breaking his engagement like that.
Originally posted by: napstermonster
Shades of Arnav Khushi, Lavyana and Shyam people! The situation is pretty close paralleled, only there has been SOME growth on the part of the male lead (not a cruel jerk), and the female one (not a childish saint) -- At least SSO didn't get engaged to a perfectly decent, loving, nice girl out of spite and cowardice --Shivaay was already all set to marry Tia before Anika entered his world, which helps, somewhat.But coming to the TM, I thought long and hard about her words (excellent post, BTW), and I think, the words are not 100% valid--YET. They WILL be 100% valid-TOMORROW. Just my opinion, so please don't get upset, but everyone posting here seems to be rational, nice forumwasis with a very civil nature, so I'm going to go out on a limb!
See, there is a defence for the idea he spoke for her--she has let him do exactly this before-- and to Daksh. She answered Shivaay at the poolside, though he didn't deserve the answer and had no right to get it-- "I said no, what do you think?" And though he didn't deserve it, upto that point, she gave him his due, he got the response he wanted. Dil ko thandak mila.
And when she accused Daksh of being the stalker and Tia was being a grade A witch and demanding she apologize, Shivaay spoke FOR her, TO Daksh. She let him do that, too. That's a huge transition for these two -- from not saying sorry to her, ever, to him saying sorry to someone else, ON her behalf. Other posters back then pointed out to me that this was very significant, since "Uksi taraf se me bolti hu" is only valid, or accepted, when the "uski" and "mei" are family, or when that person is close enough to you to be able to take decisions for you, or to voice things you did not say. Its a haq. That's why Tia questioned it, right away.
So today, his "No means No, Don't embarrass her,Stop it, her answer is NO!" --- of COURSE it came from the "mine mine mine!" four year old inside this idiot of a man. The sulky kid who wont play with this Anika toy, will break this toy, but woe betide anyone who reaches for the toy--uski haat tor dunga. Of course, it was an indefensible bit of male ownership, the whole "I will do whatever I want, but you, pretty toy, will stay there, on the sidelines, so I can stare at you until I am 50."
It came from his rage, and even his defensive move towards her when Daksh dances and touches her, (LIKE HE WAS DOING) and Shivaay leaves Tia to aggressively go and try to stop that nonsense. I mean, he has no right to stop it, really, but he has been given the rights over her body, to protect it, defend it, fight for it. She let him have that right, UNTIL last night, and took that right back, TODAY.ALSO the right to speak for her is something he has exerted in the past, too, no objection-- Anika will do this, will go here, will go home with me, will rest, will drink juice, will not be stupid and be a musibbat magnet, will be protected, will listen to me." And she..agreed. he could say those things for her, he could choose what she would do.
Dont forget, from Shivaay's perspective, she is completely blindsiding him., changing the rules of their relationship. He has no idea what he lost last night. He's just continuing on doing what has been allowed to him before.What she took back today was his rights, period. Not her love, but his haq. And what she did--giving those rights to someone else, giving him nothing more than what HE, Shivaay has given her--that will result in him truly turning into a hypocrite when he manhandles her, going forward.. That is when the possessiveness becomes abuse--when you TAKE it by force, as opposed to being given it by trust. That will be him being an ass, when (if??) he says offensive things about her izzat / character because she spent a night in her fianc's bedroom. Because that is something HE thought he was doing with Tia not too long ago, with the candles and the romantic blowing curtains and the wrong woman. He was okay with it then, when he thought Tia was seducing him, like 70% of women in modern day India today might do, with the man they are committed to.Tomorrow, his judgment, his rage, his manhandling will earn him the TM's comment. Because until today, he has right to speak, to protect, to defend and to do haq jatana--she gave him these, whether he deserved them, or earned them, or was marrying Tia or not.Tomorrow, he no longer has jack.