Thoughts that I thought needed expression

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Posted: 9 years ago
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And here goes😆

1. Anika has been used to 'sametoing raita' all her life. It's how she has learnt to survive. For her, it will be difficult to let go of a situation where she has no control; it will be hard to accept a situation where there will be shivaay to take care of things.
As far as she's concerned, her surname doesn't matter, her talent does. i have a feeling she'll realize that while all of what she believes in matters a LOT, there is also a slight bit of the world that works on the basis of her surname.

2. Shivaay and Anika, therefore, are both coming together and will eventually reach a point of moderation but before that, there will be these interruptions: shivaay will need to understand his identity, his own repressed emotions ASIDE from his family, and his work; Anika NEEDS to understand that practicality, and emotions, and self-respect do not always work.
But they are literally connected due to responsibilities towards their younger babies, and their work, and their own selves.
They need each other to save themselves.
The world they will eventually create is based on instinct, intuition, but also empathy of the sort that will lead to equality.

I know I am bringing in another show here, but there was a line in Humsafars (again, by Gul) that talked about how pain attracts pain.
Both Anika and Shivaay have NOT been seen as individuals BY themselves; they have always been didi and bhaiya respectively.

what happened at that get together was an expression of their freedom, how they could just BE.
And they WANTED to share that secret. They wanted to keep it to themselves; they did not forget: they needed it to remember who they were.

you use strange words.
you dance well.

Characteristics of individuals irrespective of any family.
The day after, they woke up with such peace till the world intruded.

It will never be permanent but they will eventually reach that stage.

3. OMKAR
he is the WORD. he is being depicted as such too. always the perfect rational voice of reason. but he is completely biased. he is influenced by the revenge, by the character, and by the negative energies of the elder oberois, because he HOPES for it. He needs it to be true to justify his anger, his addiction, his entire existence.
He thinks idealism, sticking to Truth, being non-negotiable will make him the opposite of his father, but it actually makes him similar. He is so stubborn that he never ever appreciates ANYONE else's point of view where his family is concerned.
Ishana, is fluid, she can do anything for her family, and battle anyone. Hopefully she will teach him the reason, the effort, and the need to be flexible in life.

4. RUDRA never really takes into account the women he's been hurting but really, frankly, these women know his reputation, and from the scenes, he NEVER hurts ANY of them but manipulates the situation to SAVE them from the hurt.
Apart from his brothers, the only one who knows him is Soumya. She knows his heart and they have finally come to a point where both of them are.

5. TIA
I refuse to believe she is weak, or a culprit, or any kind of insider.
She has been a sweet girl till now. NOTHING she has done to Shivaay depicts any kind of harm. Perhaps she's being used. Or I'm just an idiot. As a girlfriend, she has a lot of patience.

6. I NEED more of the elder interactions and the younger interactions to really truly get into the show. But so far, I like how it has maintained the balance between comedy and drama, romance and family.
One day it will be everything in one.

Perhaps the TRPs will rise then

anyhoo,
this is what I truly think so far!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice thoughts. 👏
1. Anika will find it hard to trust someone as she has always been betrayed. Hope to see her past unfurl and she has had only herself to rely on all these days. Shivaay took the first step and called her Family which I think no one has ever done for her. The acceptance by the O's especially dadi is a given along with Omru. How Pinky & co will react remains to be seen. Just as she will prove to Shivaay that the surname is not all, she will also realize that it does matter. she has some... secret.. probably a love child who was given up for adoption or abandoned...

2. Both have different ideals but those differences are bringing them closer and closer. Also seeing and learning so much from each other, their POV. Both of them have hang-ups about their identities and they will make peace who and what they are... but will not let that identity define them..maybe to a certain extent..and will let their hard work and talent speak for themselves. The secret of that night known only to themselves... and to be savored, to be. free of what ails them in the real world.. will find peace again..in each other.

3. Great points on OM. He needs to loosen up where his dad is concerned and stop blaming him. He could not face reality and took the easy way out..doing drugs. He has too much anger in him and keeps harping on the truth which may burn and singe him.. (out of his long hair...😆😆) kidding... If going by the spoilers, he along with shivaay are going to get to the truth of Tej, then he may enlist the aid of the con girl Ishana. let 's se how the CVs have planned her reentry.

4. Rudra again is coping with his...issues and family by being... dumb, his way of not facing the reality. Om took to drugs and he took to chasing after girls... Yes he has never harmed or cheated any of the girls, they all knew the score... For the first time, he understands a girl...Soumya and he is melting..hiding it again with his false bravado and dumb act. He is the most sensitive of the 3 I feel. I am waiting to see how his character shapes up.

5. Tia has been too easy on Shivaay, only sending reiki and talking about the universe and her followers on social media. giving a flighty appearance but there is something deeper. Only now she is facing the threat from Anika and is realizing that she has lost her hold (not that she had any to begin with) on her fianc. She is too good to be true, not possessive at all and that is against the grain of being a GF and a fiancee.

Waiting to see more on the characters.




Edited by nim_var - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Res... Geetu detailed observations from my side will come later... As for Om's analysis... Bang on..he is idealistic coz he thinks being that will differentiate him from his dad... But it is actually making him exactly like his father... Inflexible...
As for Tia... She did bring on an intruder inside Oberoi mansion earlier n put the blame on Annika... So for that part I wud say she isn't innocent... But yes for a GF she has immense patience.. N hasn't really harmed anyone atleast yet..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: vivacious_gurl

Res... Geetu detailed observations from my side will come later... As for Om's analysis... Bang on..he is idealistic coz he thinks being that will differentiate him from his dad... But it is actually making him exactly like his father... Inflexible...

As for Tia... She did bring on an intruder inside Oberoi mansion earlier n put the blame on Annika... So for that part I wud say she isn't innocent... But yes for a GF she has immense patience.. N hasn't really harmed anyone atleast yet..



That's what: i feel she's just being used.. She doesn't seem to be that strong a character so far
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Posted: 9 years ago
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No geetu I think otherwise... Tia isnt being used... She also has been a planner... She never gets angry on Shivaay for anything... Gives him all the space... Nvr forces him to decide wedding date... All coz she doesn't wanna be on wrong side of Shivaay... She wants him to marry her... Whatever be her motive but the motive will be effective only if he marries Tia and hence Tia has been extremely patient... She deffo isn't innocent thought she hasn't done anything till now..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Wow, nice. I had made the exact same post but they didn't let me post it because I had posted too many posts for a newbie

But basically I agree with you. All 3 obros are a product of their dysfunctional family unit.

Both shivaay and om have a mask on them. Shivaay learnt that money,
Class, certain way of speaking and dressing etc is what is respected -
Tej's dominance and his moms lack of fitting into the kind of society' that the rich have built for themselves means shivaay modelled himself more on tej than his own dad or mom. He tries to pretend to be cold, calculative and ruthless because he thinks that's what will get him the respect that his dad didn't get. But he is inherently emotional and caring and an ishqbaaz despite his frequent denials of love as a feeling. He puts on a stubborn act but he can go against his beliefs or atleast listen to people that he loves

Omkara on the other hand is shown to be an emotional sensitive person. But he has wrapped himself in the coat of idealism because he wants to be so desperately different from his dad who he hates and accuses of being ruthless, selfish and self absorbed. His creative outlet that lends him the superficial sensitivity is his way of escaping reality. And in that sense his idealism is completely naive. He can't see through people despite proclaiming to be perceptive of their feelings. Because he views them through black or white and only sees what he wants to see. He can't see through riddhimas humanitarian act and he can't look beyond ishanas con act to truly understand the motives of the 2 girls. Ishana was absolutely right that it is very easy to spew idealism sitting in a Cosy environment. He always ran from his problems, wrapped his anger under the cloak of creativity and idealism. And he could afford to do that because he didn't want for anything. He was always provided for and taken care of by tej and shivaay. I think In as much as he was justified in being angry with Ishana for cheating or lying, his anger or intensity of it does not seem consistent with his proclaimed sensitivity. He claimed to connect to her through pain that he saw in her eyes. He is perceptive or supposed to be about people's hidden or true emotions. Despite that he loses his shit when he finds out ishana lied. He loses all sensitivity and emotions because his ideals are not met. He actually gets as ruthless and insensitive as tej when any body does not match or agree to his ideals. And he accuses tej of hurting jhanvi and being selfish and self centred. But for most parts he is like that. He escaped through Drugs and art and didn't necessarily emotionally support his mom or younger bro. He isn't emotionally available to his girl friend either (it's a different story that she is phoney and fake) but she atleast seems to want to be available for him.

Rudr is the most protected. He is encouraged to not think too much and hence he always seems to stay at the surface level and hence his superficiality with girls. He has always had everything handed to him, he has been loved and pampered. So he really doesn't think too much and just goes with the flow. But he is actually more capable of balancing emotions and judgements compared to the 2 older brothers.

All 3 girls will help the brothers see thier truE self for what it is and on the process make them all more balanced individuals.

I love shivika but that journey is now almost nearing completion . Am really waiting for iskara
Track now to see how ishana shows the mirror to Om. He will be a lot harder to 'correct' than shivaay imo 😭
Edited by Ishq7o7 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I dont agree about omkara part.
I dont know why he is so much unappreciated becoz of sticking to ideals.he is flawed but he is nowhere similar to tej.
Shivay is obsessed with nam paisa and power.he judge others on the basis of class.omkara is obsessed with truth.he judge othrs on the basis of truth and lies.obession is bad,it does not matter with whom one is obsessed. omkara respect women.he respect his mother.he is not misogynist like his father.he believe in equality.he hate his father for cheating and lying.everyone in oberoi mansion is completely okay with tej infidelity and unethical business tricks.everyone is okay with svetlana visit.only omkara dare to question his mistakes.someone like omkara is needed in oberoi mansion who can raise question on moral corruption.
He is selfmade man who has separated himself from oberoi business .he struggled with his drug past.
In cd case if om was blinded by his prejudices against his father to doubt him that does not mean he went against family.
Shivay was also blindly trusting on tej and shakti whereas everyone know that both are hiding some dark secrets.
Cd case may be fraud but oberoi past filled with dark truth yet to come.
Shivay sentiments are common as everyone wants to protect family first .every business family does the same.
But very few have guts to stand for truth,going against family for truth and admit the mistakes.

If shivay love his brothers and ready to do anything for them then omkara does the same.he had raised his hand on jis father in hospital when tej spoke about shivay death.
This showed how strong their bond is.he always refused tej offer to join business and told him once that if he would run in race then he would do it to make his brothers winner.
Now omkara flaw is that he assumed truth even before it is proved.he need to accept that he should not judge everyone on the basis of past mistakes. also he must learn to accept imperfections.
Here ishana come in picture.she will make him understand his flaws.
If om is stubborn about truth then shivay is stubborn is about name ,money and reputation.atleast om is not egoistic. If he realize his mistake then he ask for forgiveness.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ishq7o7

Wow, nice. I had made the exact same post but they didn't let me post it because I had posted too many posts for a newbie

But basically I agree with you. All 3 obros are a product of their dysfunctional family unit.

Both shivaay and om have a mask on them. Shivaay learnt that money,
Class, certain way of speaking and dressing etc is what is respected -
Tej's dominance and his moms lack of fitting into the kind of society' that the rich have built for themselves means shivaay modelled himself more on tej than his own dad or mom. He tries to pretend to be cold, calculative and ruthless because he thinks that's what will get him the respect that his dad didn't get. But he is inherently emotional and caring and an ishqbaaz despite his frequent denials of love as a feeling. He puts on a stubborn act but he can go against his beliefs or atleast listen to people that he loves

Omkara on the other hand is shown to be an emotional sensitive person. But he has wrapped himself in the coat of idealism because he wants to be so desperately different from his dad who he hates and accuses of being ruthless, selfish and self absorbed. His creative outlet that lends him the superficial sensitivity his way of escaping reality. And in that sense his idealism is completely naive. He can't see through people despite pro loaning to be perceptive of their feelings. Because he views them through black or white and only sees what he wants to see. He can't see through riddhimas humanitarian act and he can't look beyond ishanas con act to truly understand the motives of the 2 girls. Ishana was absolutely right that it is very easy to spew idealism sitting in a Cosy environment. He always ran from his problems, wrapped his anger under the cloak of creativity and idealism. And he could afford to do that because he didn't want for anything. He was always provided for and taken care of by tej and shivaay. I think In as much as he was justified in being angry with Ishana for cheating or lying, his anger or intensity of it does not seem consistent with his proclaimed sensitivity. He claimed to connect to her through pain that he saw in her eyes. He is perceptive or supposed to be about people's hidden or true emotions. Despite that he loses his shit when he finds out ishana lied. He loses all sensitivity and emotions because his ideals are not met. He actually gets as ruthless and insensitive as tej when any body does not match or agree to his ideals. And he accuses tej of hurting jhanvi and being selfish and self centred. But for most parts he is like that. He escaped through Drugs and art and didn't necessarily emotionally support his mom or younger bro. He isn't emotionally available to his girl friend either (it's a different story that she is phoney and fake) but she atleast seems to want to be available for him.

Rudr is the most protected. He is encouraged to not think too much and hence he always seems to stay at the surface level and hence his superficiality with girls. He has always had everything handed to him, he has been loved and pampered. So he really doesn't think too much and just goes with the flow. But he is actually more capable of balancing emotions and judgements compared to the 2 older brothers.

All 3 girls will help the brothers see thier truE self for what it is and on the process make them all more balanced individuals.

I love shivika but that journey is now almost nearing completion . Am really waiting for iskara
Track now to see how ishana shows the mirror to Om. He will be a lot harder to 'correct' than shivaay imo 😭


I am sorry but i think you are talking about wrong omkara or you have not watched show since start.he is self made millionaire without taking help from his family.he does not llike his family business.i know you like shivay but there is no need for degradation of omkara character.he love his brothers.shivay is elder and he shoulders the responsibility of family after tej.but it does not mean that om and rudra is nt caring about him.they did not get opportunity but show is still running.and in future they will get.
Om was in long distance relationship with his girlfriend. Now they are meeting regular.and where this accusation come out that he was nt emotionally available to his gf.
It is clearly shown that ridhima is imposing her opinions on him.
If talking about emotion then what about shivay marrying tia.
In initial episode pinky and tej said that by marrying tia shivay will gain 1500 crores deal.

Stubbornness for truth is flaw of om and his impulsive assumptions.but it does not fall in dark areas like shivay.

All three brothers are flawed and they need to correct themselves. which female leads will do.
But i think in om case more than om ishana will need correction.
Edited by loveangel94 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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One more thing it was shivay who blindly accused anika and keep accusing her till omru found the truth.if om had nt stick to truth then he would not have investigated.even rudra was not trusting anika but he was trusting shivay words.if om had done the same then anika truth had been never found out.
No one talk about om appreciative quality but busy to find some dark truth behind his character as if he is worst character in show.if any character analysis is done then his positive and negative aspects both should be discussed.
But instead of talking what was shown in the show ,many are giving dark assumptions about omkara.
Now only one thing left to listen that he is antagonist.
May be someone someday make post stating him villain of the show with lots of imaginary analysis.
Edited by loveangel94 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: vivacious_gurl

No geetu I think otherwise... Tia isnt being used... She also has been a planner... She never gets angry on Shivaay for anything... Gives him all the space... Nvr forces him to decide wedding date... All coz she doesn't wanna be on wrong side of Shivaay... She wants him to marry her... Whatever be her motive but the motive will be effective only if he marries Tia and hence Tia has been extremely patient... She deffo isn't innocent thought she hasn't done anything till now..



That is also true.. I guess time will tell.. And soon enough too..
I have always felt she's a pawn in a bigger game, but i may definitely be wrong too 😃

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