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First of all, just to be clear on this front - I am not a ShivIka fan nor am I an Anika fan nor is this post supposed to bash anyone. If you think I am bashing do let me know because my sole purpose is to criticize. What do I want to achieve with this post? To make a point since apparently, there seems to be much confusion about that making the rounds. I have been reading posts in Ishana's defense (nothing wrong there) and would like to address some points which seem to be misunderstandings (regarding us who are not happy with Ishana's character). I don't want to initiate any fandom wars here, and I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings - if you can't keep it civil and polite, please refrain from posting. Thank you.

1.) Not every FL can be good and perfect, Ishana is flawed and grey and a refreshing character.

I agree and just because a FL is flawed and has grey shades does not mean we cannot like her. Actually, grey characters end up much more interesting than the all-out white ones. From the start, we have wanted to see someone flawed opposite Om, a con artist or someone who was out to seek revenge from the Oberois, someone ruthless, anything along these lines. Wouldn't have minded that, at all, on the contrary: would have welcomed it with open arms. The problem? Ishana definitely is not a grey character. She is after Om's money? She tried to break up RidhKara? She dances happily upon hearing that these two have separated? Does that make her grey? Definitely not. It's about the execution. How does she plan it all? How smartly does she go about her plans? How far has she calculated each of her steps? Everything she has done up till now looked clumsy - starting from her decision to con Om, out of all people, to the Bela/Mala nonsense (and yes, I know that even Ishana fans were annoyed with that) to the makkaan malik (Om could have recognized her father for all she knew!) to the actual Ridhkara break-up (what would she have done if Om had mentioned to Riddhima that Bela told him Riddhima was insecure?). Sorry, but just because Ishana is flawed it doesn't make her grey - and I don't see her as such. She is a poor con artist and till now, CVs have failed to maintain consistency with her character.

I want to emphasize because there seems to be a confusion around this: No, the problem is not her being a con. That would have been very welcome, actually. The problem is the execution - she is a poor excuse of a con artist, let's be honest here.

2.) Majboori.

Actually, that one's not even too clear. At first, she was shown as someone who clearly enjoys conning - she was so happy and joyful at the prospect of conning Om that her sob story came as a huge damper, in a negative way. Would it have been so bad to show her happily conning people because she loves money? But okay, need to give the FL at least a little touch of mahaanta, I guess. What I don't get is why people want Om to feel bad once he finds out about it? Why should he? Alright, he will definitely feel pity and that is a natural reaction and okay. But her majboori is an explanation not a justification. She chose to con people - maybe her father forced her, initially, but it does look like she does it out of her own will, right now. For her family, alright, but she does it- instead of trying to find other means. And before anyone points out that she can't earn lakhs so quickly in such a short amount of time - those lakhs (debts) didn't accumulate from today to tomorrow, did they? Ishana chose not to call out her father on the way he uses her and ruined their lives - she knows her sister is in danger, she herself is in danger, she risks a lot conning people so often, and her father just goes and gambles it all away? And she takes it, doesn't call him out on it or anything. This is pretty weak.

It's like Om said: rich or poor doesn't matter, mostly we choose which path we want to walk on. Some people really might not have a choice, I agree, but that's not the case with Ishana. Conning clearly wasn't Ishana's only option.

Also, adding to this: Just because Om is rich doesn't mean he has no idea what problems are like. The guy has gone through hell and back and survived - yes, his problems were not money related but those are not the only ills in this world. I would like to point out that Om has done things that he's not proud of and he has taken the easy way out, which means he knows what he's talking about that in life you always have choices and if you make the wrong one then it's on you and not your circumstances. I mean d guy fought his demons on a daily basis and his wealth has nothing to do with what he has achieved in life.

3.) Comparison to Anika.

Yes, Ishana and Anika are two different people. So? This comparison isn't to show one is better than the other but to see how these two women took their decisions in their life. No, we don't want another Anika - and by comparing them I don't mean to say that Ishana should be like Anika. It is just a means to show how our decisions affect us. Anika who doesn't live a luxurious life and whose Bua mistreats her chose to make a honest living for herself and her little brother. Ishana who doesn't live a luxurious life and whose father created the problems for her chose to con people instead of looking for other options. Shivaay insulted Anika's family and the lack of a family name she has so many times and he literally put her through hell yet, Anika always controled herself and never brought his family into it, as well. Om, on the other hand, was justified in his anger and lashed out and Ishana dragged his family issues into this - natural reaction, doesn't change that she had been wrong in that situation. Why can I not point these things out? Their circumstances might have differed but in the end, it comes down to their personal choices.

4.) Tej and Ishana's father.

Tej is no saint, everyone knows that. The man messed up badly in his life, he is not a good son, not a good husband and not a good father. The difference, though? Tej doesn't force his son, not really. Yes, he tried to put pressure on Om once in a while but he doesn't force his decisions on him. Furthermore, Tej wouldn't mind if Om would be a little cunning to get the heir position - because according to him, this is the best for Om. Ishana's father, though? Does not only encourage his daughter conning people but actively supports her in this (hence why Om bringing up her upbringing wasn't that wrong, actually), risks her and her sister's lives - and wants Ishana to con people not because he thinks it will do her any good but because he wants to have some ayaashiya. There is no real comparison here.

5.) Ishana giving it back to Om?

In reference to today's episode: No, I don't think Om was wrong in bringing up her upbringing because her father was clearly involved in the conning, actively so (as was her sister) - what Ishana did there is not "giving it back" or "not taking his crap" because Om wasn't wrong here she was. Yes, very few people can take someone bad talking about the family no matter how horrible said family is so, Ishana lashed out - but she pointedly dragged his family into this for no real reason. Whereas her father helped her con Om and Rudra and now just Om, Tej hasn't been involved with Ishana, at all. Neither had Shivaay or Rudra been- why uselessly drag them into this? Sorry, natural reaction or not, what is this? Ek toh chori upar se zeena zoori? Can't justify her own wrong doings or accept them (without necessarily feeling bad) so, she has to throw mud at others?

I don't feel any sympathy for her there.



My (and not just mine) two cents. Thanks for reading.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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A much needed post on today's rolling Noor that was falsely hailed as content on its superlative track. I for one hated today's unfolding and the last string that had kept me simmer on Ishana is broken as well. Sorry but this woman is dead and buried to me. I no longer look at her and she doesn't exist in my world.





I had hoped that Vrushika's performance would help me tame that disappointment but she started out good only to end as a failed attempt. She brought back memories of a hounding order and I am sorry everything on this front is simply destroyed for me. I am not an ardent fan of any fandom here. I am here for my ObBros and will remain here solely for them. This ship of Ishkara has drowned for me and no revival on this front can now happen.



On your first point, a grey woman for Om.



A grey woman was what the majority of us wanted for Om. His clam, serene nature meeting a violent ruthlessness was all of us had been selling our votes on. Sadly it never saw the daylight on that front. We were promised one thing and delivered another and this violent shoving of the contents down my throat is something I cannot tolerate. A con-artist was a welcomed treat. They are intelligent people who pry on the gullible victims and once their act is over they kill their remorse and move on. So was Ishana anywhere near this one definition? The answer is NO. She never was a character that one could put under the radar of being grey. She was never someone whom you'd truly enjoy because she was half baked. Ever heard her plans? Ever heard her reasons to pick Om over Rudra? Ever seen her in a consistent avatar? Ever actually connected to all that she transpired until tonight? If yes, then one would actually understand what I have been speaking on this front. Her Bela/Mela nonsense was something that put it in the fore front that her character swings from A to B just like that. Just by saying that she is a con doesn't work. You need to work on that make it work. The concept of having a con opposite an honest Om was fantastic sadly the kind of con destroyed it for all us. (Or for one major section surely)



On your second point of majboori.



This is what destroyed the character to a point that redemption of the same is now impossible. Let us go back to her introductory episode. She was so happy at having conned Om and Rudra. She was salivating at the prospect of minting more money out of the two. Next her dialogues where she herself confesses that she'll enjoying cheating Om and emptying his bank balance. So what was the need of that majboori anyways? And it isn't that she has conned for he first time that she should have felt the pangs of guilt in her to go that way. Agreed that the first time it must have been difficult for her but after that she is here out of her own free will. And even after her father being a serial offender, gambling away the money on booze and poker, she hasn't taken a stance against that. That is stupid on her part because after having seen the dangers up close she hasn't run away or seek help. There are institutions helping women caught in distress. If she indeed was forced into something such as these she could have asked for help and not remained in this profession that she pretends is not good. Leave this if it is indeed eating away her dignity. Om was right when he said that truth is a choice. Om has been through hell. He has seen what abyss truly looks and feels like and he chose to get out. He chose to side with truth and now is sticking to the same. Truth has nothing to do with your financial status. It is a choice influenced by upbringing. Om has been brought up well and he chose to stick with the truth than side with lies. Ishana is sticking with the lies and blaming it on the poor financial status of hers. If her logic is anything to go by then all the poor section of society would have turned into cheats or dacoits which is not true. So her majboori doesn't make sense to me at all. She sticks to her sets of lies and when they are out in the open she lashes out on one and all.




On your third point of her being compared to Anika.




Well we do not want another Anika, yes but the comparison is bound to happen as both have faced a very similar situation. Both were stranded under difficult circumstances and do belong to the poor section of the society. But the approach of the two is simply different. One chose honesty and decided to make do with whatever little she has while the other chose to side with lies and found happiness in that as well. Anika too must have had debts on her, but she didn't retort to selling off her integrity and began cheating people. Ishana is wrong here. There is always a choice, yes sometimes life isn't so merciful as to provide you with one but here it is not the case of that. Ishana had a choice and still has one. But she wants to be a part of that cheating brigade so who is she to cry thievery now? Blaming it on poverty won't help simply because even in poverty one can be dignified on their stand . Anika did it so what was so difficult for Ishana to follow the same?




On your fourth point that compares Tej and Ishana's father.




I am sorry but even with his negativities Tej is far better a man than the one Ishana calls her father. Tej might have never played a better son, husband or a father but he has certainly never exposed his kids to direct dangers. Om fell into that dark pit because his pain was too overwhelming and drugs felt an easy escape but even after that situation we've seen Tej care for his sons. He wants Om to turn a bit ruthless, he wants him to take up the empire but not at the cost of losing him forever. Ishana's father has been practically pushing his daughters to dangers. He is constantly exposing the harsh light on them so how is it that he is a better man or a better father for that matter? Tej cares for his sons, in whatever twisted way but he does that, this Pappa of Ishana doesn't. That I guess should be self-explanatory.





And lastly your fifth point of Ishana giving it back to Om.




A big NO on that front. Who is she to cry wolf now when she had been the one to strike Om first? She was the one who came up with her nonsense in the first place and her entire family played an active role in the same. So why any of the three should be spared? Om didn't drag her family into this mess they were already into the thick of it. The Oberois however unscrupulous they may be haven't destroyed anyone by playing on their psyche or emotions. Whatever issues were there with Ashok isn't the matter for Ishana to look at. Shivaay being a calculative man doesn't have anything to do with her simply because that is how business works. His job finishes at the professional front, he doesn't drag his opponents shit for the world to see. Rudra's life is none of her concern because whatever happens between him and the girls he stays with is consensual and mutual. He doesn't ravage them or violates them. So how were any of her argument valid on this stage? Her family is the offender along with her and there is no denying that. Her rants had nothing substantial at all. Just because she couldn't prove her innocence she resorted to flinging dirt at the others. None of rants made sense to me nor did her explanations. Oberois, however they are, haven't stooped to the lows like playing with the sentiments. She did. Tej's affair or his scandalous are not her concern, if the family is okay with it who is she to raise the alarm? If the no one blames Shivaay or Rudra for their behavior the who is she to point out the same? Ishana is failed thing and it was the blabbering of a failed person with no depth or meaning at all.





Ishana could have been a revelation but is sadly just another dot on the place and try as much you want, you cannot erase the same. I kind of hate her more. Previously it was directed at the mockery of her profession and now at the total package. I would sincerely want a character that is brilliantly written and has all elements of successful characterization opposite Om. Best would be if they can remove the traces of such a half baked stuff and give us something we can truly enjoy. Either ways this love story is moving nowhere.



P.S. I laud you for putting this up here. This was a much needed thing.👏

Edited by Meself - 9 years ago
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Amina and shipping shivIka ...nayyy right Ami

1) Execution... bang on Ami exactly

So knew Om fl would be liar /grey etcc one of d reasons we all were looking forward to it but mila bjkt . Her every idea every plan reeks of loopholes . From choosing Om , not knowing about his gf , fake name jho muh mein aaya blurted it out ...so on so on ...Issey accha my baby our duffer Oberoi has brains .

2) Majboori ...I'd say wat I said in d AT ...

If ur old enough to handle steering don't blame everyone for giving u wrong directions ...It's a freaking choice and she made dat choice ...Om understands it well as he too knew d consequences of choosing a easier way ...u were bang on here Ami

3)comparison with anika...I'd say no comparison pls don't make them sisters ...even though ghareeb anika chose to be righteous... and she too faced the upbringing insult from SSO ...repeatedly and he brought hell on her yet she stood so firm SSO hillgaya ( rain scene)

4)tej and her dad...gawdd tej is an AH we all know but how's her dad so dhoodh ka dhula dat she's supporting him...even with outsiders Om doesn't take his dad's side... he lashed out her for bringing up his bros but not dad ...cause he too knew how his dad is...If ish would have tried knocking some sense to her dad yeah dinn nay aatha na

5) Gave it back...joke of the month ...

She could have said don't bring my family , insult me etcc not my family aisa pravachan dhethi na even I would have made a post praising her ...But nay she had to drag his bros etcc...read somewhere dat in anger we do loose our cool and it happens...anger ho ya kuch bhi words can't be taken back .


No sympathy for dis character... she's a chorni not con girl ...


PS: felt like I saw a glimpse of Sharon today VM was good...
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Ami first of all fantastic post
Much needed too 👏👏
Whoa that girl had the nerves to defame an entire family that she only knows through her half baked research. Like what the heck did I watch?
If someone points out your wrong and your faults, they become wrong and you become correct? In which way can her actions thus far be justified? What exactly did she do for anyone to be proud of her?
Did she stand up to her dad for gambling away the money? For God's sake, she was celebrating her victory for conning OmRu successfully and now when she is caught, she is crying poverty.
What poverty? People who are poor seek to live a life of truth and honesty even if they need to just drink water to live everyday. And she brought up Ridhima, Ridhima loves Om honestly not like her... Wanting to trap him in love. How can she accuse Ridhima to be a bigger fraud than her??
Your comparison of Ishana and Anika is spot on! I have more respect for Anika but I can't even see Ishana's face anymore. Did the girls who Rudra played with come to Ishana crying? Like how he broke their hearts and played with them? Those girls knew exactly what they were getting from Rudra and he never shied away from the truth admitting he can never love anyone... So who the hell is she to point fingers at his character?? Shivaay is a businessman who thinks with his brains. Didn't she do the same thing while making up her mind to con Om? One law for her and another law for Shivaay.
Truth is not a luxury like Om said. It is your personal choice. Whatever you choose, handle the consequences. If you can celebrate conning, where was your conscience then? This girl changes her mind and thoughts to suit the situation. To save herself, she will go to any extent. 😡 I don't want to miss her. Just get her off my screen.
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Amina. I love you for this. Truly. A big huge badawala hug. 🤗 Will do more taarif soon. For now res. 😊

Unres:

Hey girl! First off, hats off for penning down these excellent points that have been running in most of us people ka heads. It was concise, precise and altogether brilliantly written point of view. Thank you sooo much for writing this. I thought I was the only one who felt so strongly against Ishaana.

Your points:

1. Female lead as a 'grey' character: I love grey as well as negative characters. They have their own charm and the actors portraying such roles have helluva lot of skills from where I see it. A grey character for me is someone who is good but not completely so or is bad but not completely so. A little bit of white and a little bit of black. It comes down to how much white and how much black. It is probably someone who does good by bad methods? or someone who was bad but realised their mistake and turned good? Defining a grey character is difficult for me, but I can say safely that Ishaana as portrayed at present is not a grey character for me. Ishaana, as I see it, is a haphazard character. I loved your pointing out of how clumsy she is in her plans. Isn't she supposed to be someone who has done successful cons previously? How exactly did these cons work out if here plans were so freaking flimsy? She in no way is a 'con-artist' but a petty thief trying to portray herself as a con-artist.

Originally posted by: .bintAli.

I want to emphasize because there seems to be a confusion around this: No, the problem is not her being a con. That would have been very welcome, actually. The problem is the execution - she is a poor excuse of a con artist, let's be honest here.


^I was literally celebrating when I found out it would be a con-artist for Om. It just made sense. An honest to a fault guy falls for a liar. it was the ultimate perfect fictional love story! I was looking forward to a calculating, street-smart and sneaky girl, who captured Om's heart, how they both fell for each other and when the truth came out she was apologetic about the fact that she hurt him but was not going to apologize for the fact that she lied. I was looking forward to how she would fight for Om in her calculating ways, no goody-goodyness.I was looking forward to Om accepting her as such a character. I didn't even want her to become a white character after her truth would have been exposed. Gosh, so many ideas here. Just going to leave it at that.

2. Majboori
From the start I wanted to like Ishaana. Forget the characterisation, forget the actor portraying it, I wanted to like her just for the fact the she was going to be Omkara Singh Oberoi's 'takkar'. Instead of his takkar, what I saw was a FL with two completely different personalities - one was the happy, dancing and actually enjoying the part of conning person, the other was a complete contradiction with the majboori angle. It is common sense that if you are majboor or feeling guilty about something you most definitely do not 'enjoy' doing it. This was sheer misconstruction of character here. It started killing my hopes for IshKara.

Amina, I want to give jhappies for this point. It was completely a 'dil ki baat cheen li moment for me'. *sigh*

3.Comparison to Anika: *bows down to you* Comparing characters does not mean that we want a character to transform into other character 2.0. It means that there was another option and you just didnt want to see or use it.

4. Father: *Cringing* Tej Oberoi joh hai woh saamne hai. He does all his bad deeds himself, doesn't drag anyone to do it for him. Ishaana's father ke liye no words from me.

An interesting theory I read in one of the threads/discussions: If Anika and Ishaana are sisters then Ishaana is adopted. The fact that she hasn't spoken up against her father regarding all his Aiyaashi might be the fact that she owes him for giving her a place in the family? Something to think about I guess. *shrug* I am indifferent as to this point at the moment though.

5. Giving it back?: Finally! I reached the point regarding yesterday's episode. Phew! Have so much to say here.

Okay first off, I absolutely love Kunal Jaisingh and Vrushika Mehta as actors. I followed them in Buddy project and D3 so I really like this casting.
Second, when I say Ishaana, I mean Ishaana, not Vrushika. Differentiation here, I want to make this clear!

Coming to the face-off/confrontation:
It was in general lost to me. Omkara had a right to be angry. Here is a woman who inserted herself in his life, almost broke off his 3 year long relationship and made him lose a friend he liked. Ab aisi situation mein banda gussa nahi karega toh aur kya karega?

Ishaana here
apologized for lying. And went straight into all amiri-gareebi dailogue. She is not gareeb. She has debts due, due to her father's gambling. Let's be clear about that. The dialogues were pretty awesome and fantastic delivery even though I can't get past the fact that she was trying to justify herself. Now, Om knows her father was part of the scheme so him pointing the same out was totally legit. Ishaana after conning him is justifying herself by undermining his ideology, this sort of begs for a comeback no? Ishaana in turn comes spitting fire at the him for pointing out a true fact about her family. Now totally understandable that she lashed out, because I would have jumped into a verbal fight with anyone if they insulted my family. But she was way out of line. The mirror she has shown is perfectly correct but in this situation? It just didn't make sense to me.

What struck me was the fact that people were disappointed with Om's reaction, and actually applauded Ishaana for showing Om the mirror? Seriously?

Appreciation: I loved this confrontation because I could finally see the onscreen chemistry between Kunal and Vrushika. It was sizzling to say the least. I loved it for the fact that these two are such brilliant actors that the intensity of the confrontation had my heart beating. Till this point, I had my doubts of these two ka chemistry but I can safely put these doubts aside now. And what fantastic dialogue delivery man! Kudos to these two.

Irony in all this is the fact that I wanted to like Ishaana so desperately because Vrushika is playing the role and Ishaana is FL for Om and this fan in me wanted so desparately to give excuses for Ishaana's behavior because I like Vrushika. But the logic in me went haywire from the start.


Zyada lamba ho gaya. But I didn't want to make a thread and this post gave me a platform to say all this.

Cheers,
V 😊

Edited by BookWormV - 9 years ago
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Baby.. I love u 4 tis post. Each and every word is true.
Om had gone throvgh more and still he has a grip over wht he's talking.
Comparision between Anika and Ishaana is baseless. Anika went through hell bt still didn't bring in Shivaay's family
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Unressing finally😆
Bang on pos Ami👏
I agree with each and every point you have mentioned.
Ishana's character has been a sheer disappointment from the begininng.We all wanted a grey /ruthless girl for Om,the idea of conwoman was great but the execution turned out ti be so poor.You cannot call anyone a con artist.Conning requires school,people in con industry can manipulate the psyche of the people,they are highly intelligent.Ishana isn't grey she is flawed but she isn't grey.One cannot connect to her because of her bipolarness.On the one hand she gets happy conning OmRu and says ishana chewing hai jab chipak jaye to utarti nahi and the next moment she is seen telling her sob story😕Coming to the confrontation was ishana conning for the first time?Or she is such a pro in conning that she never got caught.Con artist are can easily manipulate and escape situations Ishana was like ab mai galat hu to tumhe bhi galat prove karungi😕Even she wanted to fight with Om what was the need to bring shivRu and Tej in the conversation?Omkara said that this is the result of her upbringing and parwarshish okay she got infuriated she should have kept the thing to Om why to bring ShivRu in this?It appeared like she just wanted to prove her point.And what kind of gareebi is this where you cannot afford food but you can afford Iphone😕Even if she accused oberois that doesn't justify her own actions.On the one hand she was saying i don't care what you people think about me and i am what i am and on the other hand she is not ready to accept her flaws.Cvs are actually doing more damage to her character rather than improving it Plus Ishana's character would have been better if the majboori angle was not added it.She might have been pushed into con industry yes she would have felt guilty for the first time but then when she conned OmRu for the first time she looked more than happy.Writers are at fault for writing a character with such inconsistency.No matter what her actions cannot be justified truth is a choice not a luxury maybe she was pushed into all this but at the end it was her choice.And she said mujhse bade chor aap log hain LoL i forgot 50 Lac ki chori choti hai plus if she was actually grey shaded she would not have explained anything to Om further.Our bad we had high expectations😆coming to anika and ishana angle you said it all👏
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I agree with your each and every point.very well written post. 👏
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Awesome points Ami

You put it all so well together. ⭐️👏

There isnt anything much left to add here.

This defence of poverty is a pathetic excuse . It is an insult to the millions out there who work their asses off to feed their family and never resort to any illegal means to survive. This girl needs a reality check.

It would do a world of good if Om's words prompts some soul searching. She has hit out , if only her target was right. Confront your pathetic excuse of your father girl. He has turned your life into what it is now.

Gamble -----be in debt----con people ----make money ----- gamble again .

That pretty much sums up your life. Any plans to end this vicious cycle anytime soon?

Strip off that mask of self righteousness and take a good look at yourself in the mirror. You may not like what you see there.

" Your life is a result of your choices. If you don't like your life it's time to make a better choice"



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I should probably res.
I agree to most of these things, well we crib about this constantly. But keeping aside what could have happened and thinking about what just happened and how her character is I have several points of disagreement.

will unres tomorrow

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