Disappointed and disgusted but not surprised. - Page 4

Now this is reality zabir had an arranged marriage and their nazariyas are different how can u expect Kabir to love Zara easily he is fulfilling his husband duties now Zara loving Kabir is realistic bcoz girls easily fall for guy who take care of them .And saying Kabir character is changed is exaggeration bcoz he was always like this he will love Zara only wen his nazariyas are loved by Zara his nazariya maybe wrong to a viewer but according to him he is right .Here wat I meant was love shown in movies and serials exist very rarely in real life but still married people are together here I will say cvs are realistic and if couples have the same viewpoint on every issue then they are luckiest and very rare .After yrs pass by one partner becomes like other but it can't be overnight.And abt Kabir attracted to Zara initially haven't we all heard couples speaking how while dating it was diff and after marriage it is diff .Kudos to ISA for being realistic

The thing is that the makers are giving us a high dose of reality... as it is said reality is hard to digest... dats wats happening to most of us here... firstly i wud like to applaud the makers on hw dey dared to take up dis risk and deir attempt to show somthing different dat the indian tv never dared to attempt... secondly speaking abt kabeer the characters consistancy..again i wud say dats the reality..most of da men r lyk dat... in kashmir ... nayi nayi shaadi thi so dats hw mst couples behave... and wen days pass by deir biwis become aam...😆 but hea lets not forget zara has angered kabeer a couple of tymes...nd also he had certain expectations regarding his wife wic he dint find in zara.. so dat myt b da reazon for his kadwapan.. i think hea da fault is ours dat v r so used to see daily soaps were da nok jhoks between the leads are shown with the tadka of eyelock, leads falling on eachother,. heros getting hypnotized wen the ladys hair is blown by the wind, guy getting atracted to gal mst of da tym and olso wen da lady wont compromise on her self respect den tho taaliyan bajthi hai... des things hav been certain rules of indian soap for us viewers... nw i think since nothing of dat sort is happning here v feel dat nothing is ryt... but wat dey r showing is kahani ghat ghar ki😆

Originally posted by: annjose1998

To be honest, I don't even know where to start. After reading through the different comment/opinions, I'm still lost on where i stand. Starting off with Kabir. Ooh. This guy is mad confusing. Not in just Kashmir, but also in the first episode when Kabir and Zara meet, they are somewhat affected by each other. Then the whole issue of the triple talaq perception shows them how much they differ. In Kashmir, it is very obvious, that Kabir is affected by Zara. The breakfast scene, where Kabir feels bad about for sitting on the floor seeing Zara's upset face. And he cares about her, so he buys her something to eat. Then the whole hotel room romancing with the bedsheet and foot thing, And then right before the kidnapping scene, where Zara comes in a burka and he ask if she wore it for him? Then definitely the night scene after the kidnapping where he holds her hand and the next morning where he looks for her in bed. It all shows that he cares and feels of her. Even after coming from honeymoon, little moments like, when he sits on the table to eat with everyone, or her putting the pin on him before he is officially declared Qazi, shows she has an effect of on him. But it all suddenly changes when Ruksar hurts his ego by saying that he is Qazi only because of Zara and not for his capabilities. And he is hurt. And he refuses to let her interfere in his work. When she offers the Meher money, he is insulted, because the night before he was being vulnerable to Zara stating that he is not able to stand on his two feet because he doesn't have an income and she comes with the Meher money in front of everyone stating that he wants to help Kabir. Obviously that makes him look weak in front of his family and especially proves Ruksar's point (that whatever he has will be because of Zara and not by his own actions). Then when she doesn't stop interfering and takes matters into her own hand by going in front of sharia board to ask for help, he is again insulted. He could have and SHOULD HAVE done that himself. He takes all these feelings to heart. He is even more annoyed when Zara and Ruksar taunt each other when Hamdan comes to see Ruksar.
With all of that said, I'm not justifying Kabir's actions especially tonight's but I kind of understand where he is coming from. He is trying keep away from having feeling towards her. The more he is affected the more he wants to change meaning that people (such as Ruksar) might think that Zara controls his life.

Now for Zara. This girl needs to calm down. Like give him some space. I get she is confused of why Kabir is treating her like this( since she doesn't know about Ruksar hurting his ego) but still come on. I get that she wants to get involved and help Kabir, but he doesn't want that. And if she still wants to, try still talking to him about it. Don't go and call a sharia board meeting with members who still have a men dominating mindset, because the only person getting hurt there is Kabir. He is insulted and is looked upon as weak. He is a Qazi for god's sake. He has a reputation. But all Zara cares for is interfering and proving her point. You would think that would be the last of interfering but no. She gets all jealous about Ruksar helping Kabir. Okay it's fine she gets jealous, but there is not need for Zara to plan with Imran and Ammi to stop him from attending the meeting. She doesn't even know who the investor is. She can ask and explain him to be careful afterwards. Let him carve his own path. Like does she not trust Kabir? Does she think that Kabir is gonna fall in love with Ruksar? I feel like Zara Is clinging on to Kabir too much and it seems mad desperate. What happened today, I totally don't understand. He is still somewhat upset with her and she knows that too. But she wants to have a physical relationship with him, as is sex is just gonna fix all the problems between them. And Kabir unfortunately in a rude way (making it all about haqk and farz) lets her know that having their relationship to the next level doesn't mean that what he said and thinks before the sex has changed.

She needs to be stronger than that. She need to be less insecure. I get that she wants to make everything alright between them, but sex and romance isn't gonna fix their perception on different issues. Those issues need to be talked out.

Plus give the show some time. The whole point of it is to show how Kabir changes from his traditional thinking to a more women accepting thinking. And for that to happen, the creators need to establish where the character stands in the traditional (man dominating) level. Give it some time. I'm sure the change will start to happen soon especially since Miraj is here. And when Miraj's truth comes out, Ruksar's truth will come out too. Which will lead to change in Kabir's opinion about Zara (because I sure she will tell Kabir to be wary of Miraj and he will tell her to back off).

Sorry for the long pos.. I just had a lot to say say after reading different comments for the past couple of weeks.
Sorry again. Hope everyone understands my point of view.J

Originally posted by: annjose1998

To be honest, I don't even know where to start. After reading through the different comment/opinions, I'm still lost on where i stand. Starting off with Kabir. Ooh. This guy is mad confusing. Not in just Kashmir, but also in the first episode when Kabir and Zara meet, they are somewhat affected by each other. Then the whole issue of the triple talaq perception shows them how much they differ. In Kashmir, it is very obvious, that Kabir is affected by Zara. The breakfast scene, where Kabir feels bad about for sitting on the floor seeing Zara's upset face. And he cares about her, so he buys her something to eat. Then the whole hotel room romancing with the bedsheet and foot thing, And then right before the kidnapping scene, where Zara comes in a burka and he ask if she wore it for him? Then definitely the night scene after the kidnapping where he holds her hand and the next morning where he looks for her in bed. It all shows that he cares and feels of her. Even after coming from honeymoon, little moments like, when he sits on the table to eat with everyone, or her putting the pin on him before he is officially declared Qazi, shows she has an effect of on him. But it all suddenly changes when Ruksar hurts his ego by saying that he is Qazi only because of Zara and not for his capabilities. And he is hurt. And he refuses to let her interfere in his work. When she offers the Meher money, he is insulted, because the night before he was being vulnerable to Zara stating that he is not able to stand on his two feet because he doesn't have an income and she comes with the Meher money in front of everyone stating that he wants to help Kabir. Obviously that makes him look weak in front of his family and especially proves Ruksar's point (that whatever he has will be because of Zara and not by his own actions). Then when she doesn't stop interfering and takes matters into her own hand by going in front of sharia board to ask for help, he is again insulted. He could have and SHOULD HAVE done that himself. He takes all these feelings to heart. He is even more annoyed when Zara and Ruksar taunt each other when Hamdan comes to see Ruksar.
With all of that said, I'm not justifying Kabir's actions especially tonight's but I kind of understand where he is coming from. He is trying keep away from having feeling towards her. The more he is affected the more he wants to change meaning that people (such as Ruksar) might think that Zara controls his life.

Now for Zara. This girl needs to calm down. Like give him some space. I get she is confused of why Kabir is treating her like this( since she doesn't know about Ruksar hurting his ego) but still come on. I get that she wants to get involved and help Kabir, but he doesn't want that. And if she still wants to, try still talking to him about it. Don't go and call a sharia board meeting with members who still have a men dominating mindset, because the only person getting hurt there is Kabir. He is insulted and is looked upon as weak. He is a Qazi for god's sake. He has a reputation. But all Zara cares for is interfering and proving her point. You would think that would be the last of interfering but no. She gets all jealous about Ruksar helping Kabir. Okay it's fine she gets jealous, but there is not need for Zara to plan with Imran and Ammi to stop him from attending the meeting. She doesn't even know who the investor is. She can ask and explain him to be careful afterwards. Let him carve his own path. Like does she not trust Kabir? Does she think that Kabir is gonna fall in love with Ruksar? I feel like Zara Is clinging on to Kabir too much and it seems mad desperate. What happened today, I totally don't understand. He is still somewhat upset with her and she knows that too. But she wants to have a physical relationship with him, as is sex is just gonna fix all the problems between them. And Kabir unfortunately in a rude way (making it all about haqk and farz) lets her know that having their relationship to the next level doesn't mean that what he said and thinks before the sex has changed.

She needs to be stronger than that. She need to be less insecure. I get that she wants to make everything alright between them, but sex and romance isn't gonna fix their perception on different issues. Those issues need to be talked out.

Plus give the show some time. The whole point of it is to show how Kabir changes from his traditional thinking to a more women accepting thinking. And for that to happen, the creators need to establish where the character stands in the traditional (man dominating) level. Give it some time. I'm sure the change will start to happen soon especially since Miraj is here. And when Miraj's truth comes out, Ruksar's truth will come out too. Which will lead to change in Kabir's opinion about Zara (because I sure she will tell Kabir to be wary of Miraj and he will tell her to back off).

Sorry for the long pos.. I just had a lot to say say after reading different comments for the past couple of weeks.
Sorry again. Hope everyone understands my point of view.J

Big big hig for you for a detailed and throroigh character analysis .. i agree to every single word .. Kabeer , after being sure Zara was happy moved on to his dream keepng Zara in the loop of his biggest insecurities and what does Zara do? Expose it in front of everyone .. she did it out of love and i am with her .. but at the same time i can see why kabeer is on a back foot with her ! Why the man who put his own garland around her neck saying qazi tu ap bani hain is hesitating holding her hands .. it was all shown .. his gradual stepping back ! Right or wrong is another debate .. but his stepping back is not overnight or a 180 degree turn in my opinion !

Originally posted by: annjose1998

To be honest, I don't even know where to start. After reading through the different comment/opinions, I'm still lost on where i stand. Starting off with Kabir. Ooh. This guy is mad confusing. Not in just Kashmir, but also in the first episode when Kabir and Zara meet, they are somewhat affected by each other. Then the whole issue of the triple talaq perception shows them how much they differ. In Kashmir, it is very obvious, that Kabir is affected by Zara. The breakfast scene, where Kabir feels bad about for sitting on the floor seeing Zara's upset face. And he cares about her, so he buys her something to eat. Then the whole hotel room romancing with the bedsheet and foot thing, And then right before the kidnapping scene, where Zara comes in a burka and he ask if she wore it for him? Then definitely the night scene after the kidnapping where he holds her hand and the next morning where he looks for her in bed. It all shows that he cares and feels of her. Even after coming from honeymoon, little moments like, when he sits on the table to eat with everyone, or her putting the pin on him before he is officially declared Qazi, shows she has an effect of on him. But it all suddenly changes when Ruksar hurts his ego by saying that he is Qazi only because of Zara and not for his capabilities. And he is hurt. And he refuses to let her interfere in his work. When she offers the Meher money, he is insulted, because the night before he was being vulnerable to Zara stating that he is not able to stand on his two feet because he doesn't have an income and she comes with the Meher money in front of everyone stating that he wants to help Kabir. Obviously that makes him look weak in front of his family and especially proves Ruksar's point (that whatever he has will be because of Zara and not by his own actions). Then when she doesn't stop interfering and takes matters into her own hand by going in front of sharia board to ask for help, he is again insulted. He could have and SHOULD HAVE done that himself. He takes all these feelings to heart. He is even more annoyed when Zara and Ruksar taunt each other when Hamdan comes to see Ruksar.
With all of that said, I'm not justifying Kabir's actions especially tonight's but I kind of understand where he is coming from. He is trying keep away from having feeling towards her. The more he is affected the more he wants to change meaning that people (such as Ruksar) might think that Zara controls his life.

Now for Zara. This girl needs to calm down. Like give him some space. I get she is confused of why Kabir is treating her like this( since she doesn't know about Ruksar hurting his ego) but still come on. I get that she wants to get involved and help Kabir, but he doesn't want that. And if she still wants to, try still talking to him about it. Don't go and call a sharia board meeting with members who still have a men dominating mindset, because the only person getting hurt there is Kabir. He is insulted and is looked upon as weak. He is a Qazi for god's sake. He has a reputation. But all Zara cares for is interfering and proving her point. You would think that would be the last of interfering but no. She gets all jealous about Ruksar helping Kabir. Okay it's fine she gets jealous, but there is not need for Zara to plan with Imran and Ammi to stop him from attending the meeting. She doesn't even know who the investor is. She can ask and explain him to be careful afterwards. Let him carve his own path. Like does she not trust Kabir? Does she think that Kabir is gonna fall in love with Ruksar? I feel like Zara Is clinging on to Kabir too much and it seems mad desperate. What happened today, I totally don't understand. He is still somewhat upset with her and she knows that too. But she wants to have a physical relationship with him, as is sex is just gonna fix all the problems between them. And Kabir unfortunately in a rude way (making it all about haqk and farz) lets her know that having their relationship to the next level doesn't mean that what he said and thinks before the sex has changed.

She needs to be stronger than that. She need to be less insecure. I get that she wants to make everything alright between them, but sex and romance isn't gonna fix their perception on different issues. Those issues need to be talked out.

Plus give the show some time. The whole point of it is to show how Kabir changes from his traditional thinking to a more women accepting thinking. And for that to happen, the creators need to establish where the character stands in the traditional (man dominating) level. Give it some time. I'm sure the change will start to happen soon especially since Miraj is here. And when Miraj's truth comes out, Ruksar's truth will come out too. Which will lead to change in Kabir's opinion about Zara (because I sure she will tell Kabir to be wary of Miraj and he will tell her to back off).

Sorry for the long pos.. I just had a lot to say say after reading different comments for the past couple of weeks.
Sorry again. Hope everyone understands my point of view.J