B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG - Page 6

Originally posted by: Medha.S

Yeah -- but the citation from Karna parva is the citation which proves that Karna was friends or at least some kind of ally not of equal status pre-gurukul.

see my reply above bhima's poisoning incident is not the childhood vasuki incident since it clearly says bhima swallows the poison .Krishna ji might be talking about some later poisoning incident

since there were several such attempts this might be true

People are giving precedence to one liners over the actual incident, There is a citation of Indra being delighted by Karna and giving the Shakti by himself, no mention of Karna asking it.

"...Indra in the guise of a Brahmana. And the chief of the celestials accepted the gift and was exceedingly gratified with Karna's liberality. He therefore, gave unto him a fine dart, saying, 'That one (and one only) among the celestials, the Asuras, men, the Gandharvas, the Nagas, and the Rakshasas, whom thou desirest to conquer, shall be certainly slain with this dart.' ..."

Hence it is 'proved' that Karna did not ask for the Shakti, it was given by Indra himself. ( because he was delighted )

I know this sounds a little not-so-mature isn't it?, the same is the case for Bhima's poisoning, The actual incident does not mention Karna anywhere. The fact that Karna met Duryodhana at the gurukul clears the air, and as Sabhayata said - " So my understanding if i take both citations into account not just one is that karna and dury may have met in gurukul and karna may have had some kind of altercation with arjuna but neither of the associations were long or strong enough to be termed as friendship or enmity.This would explain both the citations "

Karna left the gurukul shortly and went to Parshurama for Divya astra;s.

If you give precedence to one liners over the actual incident, then you have to accept that Indra himself gave Karna the Shakti, the latter did not ask for it. Giving precdence to one liners over the actual incident is two faced sword.

In Karn-Parv, Karna, invoking the Brahmastra, showered his shafts upon Dhananjaya. Partha also, by the aid of his Brahmastra, poured arrowy downpours upon Karna. Baffling with his own weapon the weapon of his foe, the son of Pandu continued to strike him.'

Originally posted by: shindes

In Karn-Parv, Karna, invoking the Brahmastra, showered his shafts upon Dhananjaya. Partha also, by the aid of his Brahmastra, poured arrowy downpours upon Karna. Baffling with his own weapon the weapon of his foe, the son of Pandu continued to strike him.'

Poof, goes the Parshuram curse! It proves that the whole Parshuram-Brahmastra-curse is a fiasco.

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It was the Brahmashira weapon which Karna would forget, not the Brahmastra.
Here is what happened after Karna's wheel got stuck.

- Karna's wheel got stuck but he continued fighting with Arjuna, he marked his upper-hand against Arjuna and went onto remove his wheel, he asked Arjuna to wait but Krishna declined his request.

- Karna got up to his car and starting fighting again, Karna fired Brahmastra and made an effort to remove the wheel Arjuna baffled the Karna's Brahmastra with his own and both of them continued fighting.

- Both of them continued firing celestial weapons and both of baffled each others weapons, Karna quickly made Arjuna unconcious and Arjuna dropped his Gandeev, Karna got down from his car and started removing his wheel, Arjuna gained consciousness, Krishna told Arjuna to kill Karna before he removes his wheel, Arjuna kills Karna while the latter was weaponless.

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

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It was the Brahmashira weapon which Karna would forget, not the Brahmastra.

Now you are really distorting facts. Kindly provide reference .

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

I think the curse was that he would forget it when he needed it most - just before his death.

Originally posted by: shindes

Are you saying Brahmastra was to be the deciding factor in death vs life?

Since Arjun was quite capable of quenching it, how does the 'mythical' Parshuram curse matter? What is the whole sympathy hyperventilation about Parshuram's curse?

And, Arjun beheaded him with the Anjalika arrow, not Brahmastra. So how does again your 'needed it before his death' debate count? It's not like Arjun unleashed his Brahmastra, then Karna forgot the chants to his Brahmastra and hence died.

Now this thread too has been distorted into a open warfare b/w Karna supporters and non supporters. I don't think this is what either Shivang or Semanti wanted int he first place.

TM's point are being challenged and nothing else, his post was about the portrayal of Karna in current serials, that I have no problem with, but the reasons provided by the TM are contradictory and some are false, by simply claiming that his own points are correct is not a way to avoid a challenge ( through citations ).