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#41

Originally posted by: varaali

@ red bold :So, now you are teaching Karma Yoga to Lord Rama? 😛 Just j/k.

@ blue bold : If it were so, do you think we would be worshiping Him, two and quarter yugas later? If he failed as a king, why do we still label an ideal kingdom as Ram rajya? If he failed as a husband, why do we still say SiyaRam? If he had failed as a father, why did the Raghuvansh continue for 20 generations further?

Have some humility, buddy.

No mam i m like the last person to TEACH anything to anybody.. what can a confused n distressed person teach some one else..

so it all comes down to this then.. we should just b humble n accept whatever we r told.. b receptive n submissive n that is all that matters..no room for questions here..

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#42

Originally posted by: varaali

Luv- Kush too would have never felt the absence of their father. Physical presence is not always necessary.

that was very smart !.. unfortunately it doesnt make any sense to me.. luv kush may have been ram bhakhts like everybody else..but they were his 'human children' that he fathered in his 'human incarnation'.. n if just a spiritual presence of a father is enough for a child..then hmm i dont wanna say.it will b tagged as a misinterpretation again..but if ur argument is again based on the fact that luv-kush n sri ram , devi sita were all gods n that kind of attachment is enough for all them..then in that case that leaves no scope for me or anybody to argue about anything.. gods have infinite powers..n whatever do they can justified by any flimsy non-concreate statement..

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Originally posted by: varaali

@ blue bold : If it were so, do you think we would be worshiping Him, two and quarter yugas later? If he failed as a king, why do we still label an ideal kingdom as Ram rajya? If he failed as a husband, why do we still say SiyaRam? If he had failed as a father, why did the Raghuvansh continue for 20 generations further?

Thats the whole point !..isnt it?.. they were my questions exactly..

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#44

Originally posted by: Akash005

No mam i m like the last person to TEACH anything to anybody.. what can a confused n distressed person teach some one else..

so it all comes down to this then.. we should just b humble n accept whatever we r told.. b receptive n submissive n that is all that matters..no room for questions here..

Ask Questions, certainly- but don't pass judgments.

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Originally posted by: Akash005

Thats the whole point !..isnt it?.. they were my questions exactly..

Which means he was not a failure.

Now, to answer your earlier question as well, I don't know what is the exact answer you are looking for which will satisfy you.

I too had such questions and I got some answers which I shared with you. If you are not satisfied, fine. Continue your quest, maybe you too will come across some answers which will satisfy you.

AFAIK, answers to such questions depend on each one's spiritual development.

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Originally posted by: varaali

Now, to answer your earlier question as well, I don't know what is the exact answer you are looking for which will satisfy you.

I too had such questions and I got some answers which I shared with you. If you are not satisfied, fine. Continue your quest, maybe you too will come across some answers which will satisfy you.

If u have been through my earlier posts ( posts afters ur initial post) u would have known that my "quest" regarding justifying Sri Rama's actions has already ended on an extremely satisfying note!!

There r still pending replies to ur recent posts which I m forced to delay bcoz as a groupbie m allowed only a limited number of posts in s day (20 in a day n it seems I have already crossed my limit with number of posts allowed)

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Originally posted by: varaali

AFAIK, answers to such questions depend on each one's spiritual development.

Yes I perfectly agree with u mam, in fact the same thing was pointed out by Sherlock over n over again.. he clearly stated( or more like insinuated bcoz that's his cool style) that one of the ways that I could achieve answers is if I fall on to sri ram -sita's lotus feet with bhakthi n get rid of my 'taamsic' prakriti.. it is the only way that I ll realise my mistakes n all of my doubts n questions will melt away naturally bcoz bhakthi leaves no room for doubt .a.k.a another step towards spiritual development ,which BTW if views on this forum r anything to go by, I seriously lack..

However, what is spiritual development?.. is forcing oneself to blindly idolize a deity until he himself forgets his doubts n questions spiritual development?.. I beg to differ..bcoz as far as I am concerned that's not spiritual development, that's just blind faith ..n blind faith is a very powerful feeling which if not dealt with carefully can turn into a destructive force..if anybody is having any questions regarding what exactly I am talking about, I ll recommend them to watch 'Red State' ..its an American horror/thriller film dealing with 'blind faith'.. true, its about Christianity but I think that movie is relevant for every religion out there.. they say love is blind ,but IMO faith n devotion can b just as blind..now that I think about it , there is a very fine line between love, faith n devotion.. n they can all b as blind as darkness itself ..I can even quote an example here but u ll have to excuse my not so spiritual knowledge here bcoz the example is from Harry Potter..true its a fictional work but I believe that even a work of fiction can teach us a lot..anyways, in HP, Mr.n Mrs Dursley absolutely adore ( read:love, blind love almost devotion like) their only son Dudley so much that he has always been nurtured in to a horrible, wicked, cruel spoilt son.. but whenever Dudley commits an act of cruelty ( like beating up Harry n other kids in the neighborhood), Mr.n Mrs Dursley always become all misty eyed with love n affection for their son , praising how brave he is n claiming they never wanted a snooty nancy boy for a son anyways..no matter what Dudley does they always always seem to c something good in that owing to their blind love.. but does that justify Dudley's actions..just bcoz his parents turn a blind eye to his deeds owing to their blind love doesn't mean Dudley should b excused..the same thing applies to celebrities as well..fans who idolize a perticular celeb can sometimes get carried away defending his favorite celeb..its almost like a religion for them..blind devotion n bhakthi towards a celeb..there's nothing wrong with idolizing anyone ..but it always helps to have ur own sense of right/wrong, acceptable/unacceptable ..etc..

Devotion , bhakthi n spirituality can work wonders for a person not only in this life but in afterlife as well..but it is important that the basis or foundation of devotion, bhakthi n spirituality b right n not blind faith..

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#48

Originally posted by: varaali

Ask Questions, certainly- but don't pass judgments.

The final statements in my earlier post which was in reply to ur first post was not me passing "judgements" but my "conclusions" at that point of time during the 'quest'..I did not ask or persuade anyone to agree with me on that front...b4 arriving at those conclusions I also said " the way I c it now".. ( or according to me , something like that, not sure though but it definitely wasn't me passing "judgements")

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Hey, Dudkley was not such a wicked, cruel boy. You are exaggerating. He was a bully who was too dumb and insecure about himself, but deep down, actually cared for his relatives a little, though this was buried by layers of dumbness and bullying, and insecurity and fear.

Sorry. Got carried away.

So anyway, ya, blind faith.. actually blind faith is too strong a word for the Dursleys...

But I get your point.

Quite right. The Upanishads were born out of curiosity and doubts and questioning.. why, if Shevtaketu had not become egoistic, and if he did not have the doubt about God, we would have never got the "Tat Tvam Asi" episode of Chandogya Upanishad.

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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Hey, Dudkley was not such a wicked, cruel boy. You are exaggerating. He was a bully who was too dumb and insecure about himself, but deep down, actually cared for his relatives a little, though this was buried by layers of dumbness and bullying, and insecurity and fear.
Sorry. Got carried away.

So anyway, ya, blind faith.. actually blind faith is too strong a word for the Dursleys...
But I get your point.
Quite right. The Upanishads were born out of curiosity and doubts and questioning.. why, if Shevtaketu had not become egoistic, and if he did not have the doubt about God, we would have never got the "Tat Tvam Asi" episode of Chandogya Upanishad.

Ha ha ha..so now I m 'egoistic' too..lol.. just kidding..like I have mentioned b4 as well , I dont mind if m labelled unreasonable (or reasonable), egoistic , taamsic , lacking spirituality,lacking humility n what not..as long as streams of pure knowledge keeps flowing in , all such accusations ( or rather insinuations) r worth it!!

About Dudley ...umm..I beg to differ..I mean towards the end, he did show that he cared "a little" about harry "by shaking hands with him b4 departing" ( at which Mrs Dursley broke into tears owing to "kindness" ,"affection"& "sweetness" showed by Dudley towards Harry) but I do believe he was always very wicked ( mostly due to his parents fault since they never bothered to show him the difference between right n wrong; so he could have been a better person if he was raised by someone else, so there also somewhat potential for good) bcoz as a bully he did display his wicked tendency of deriving pleasure from bullying weaker kids n such a tendency requires an inherent evil aspect in a bully's personality..( something that he shares in common with voldermort..he was also a big bully as a boy (n also as an adult ) but very secretive n clever unlike dudley)

Did I use 'blind faith' for the Dursleys ??.. I thought I used "blind love"( which was almost devotion like)( m logged in through my smartphone, so going back one page n checking out my posts requires hell lot of time n patience )

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