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You have written something in your post which compels me to type again, and that's not to my liking, 😆 because it's too hectic here today.
But I think you're not reading my previous post right. Where have I mocked anybody? Both at the start and end of my previous post, I encouraged you to keep trying to get your doubts about divine play clarified! Only pointed out that until one of those two conditions are met, don't expect all your doubts to get cleared. Yes, I'm not the person capable of clarifying all the doubts because I know very little, and that was no sarcasm, merely stating facts. I do know a little about Sanatan Dharma but that doesn't make me an expert. In fact, anybody who thinks that concepts of Sanatan Dharma are easy to understand and then to tell to others, is kidding himself. They are not that easy to understand and grasp, I'm saying from personal experience.
I said that people have this tendency to pick only certain incidents from divine play and then there's endless discussions on that, but I also stated that, "incidents of our choosing help us view God as human like us, so that's perfectly ok."!!
Trust me on this, but whatever I type on IF, anywhere on IF, I type without thinking as to what I'm saying, in fact most of the time not even reading, what I've typed. My tragedy is that I always find myself in the middle of a severe time crunch. So maybe some portions of my previous post have been interpreted by you in an unintended sense.
Look, I'll again type really fast for next fifteen minutes, and will then post whatever I manage in that time, and will be gone, so I just hope you'll make proper sense of that.
Originally posted by: Akash005
As for my unreasonable need to make sense of 'minute incidents' of an epic where there r talking mountains , sea n animals, there is something I would like to share, what do u think r the purposes of such epics n legends?.. isn't it to give moral teachings for us mortal souls to give something valuable to hold on to, to help steer us through this unpredictable life..First thing, where have I called your questions unreasonable'?
Secondly, yes, these epics are to give moral teachings. So why not take the relevant lessons from this incident too? What's stopping us from doing that? However, why take only "Taamsic" lessons all the time, that Shri Raam as a knower of dharma still abandoned his wife and therefore set a bad precedent for all times to come??? This taamsic lesson reflects the Tamogun in our astral body, and not what is supposed to be the takeaway from this part of the epic. That we always think negatively is our problem, one we need to work upon, not that of Maharishi Valmiki.
If Ramayan records Sitaji's abandonement by Shri Rama, it also records the unimaginable love of Shri Raam for Sitaji. Why we never spare a sympathetic thought to His mental torment then, His years and years of torturous loneliness without His beloved Sita?? Maa janaki completed her part in the divine play and was gone, Shri Raam remained here as a King for 11,000 years, all alone all those years. All because at one point of time, he decided (maybe a wrong decision) that for Him as a king the right thing to do is to send the Queen of Ayodhya away. (Someone said, Raam never abandoned His beloved Sita, King of Ayodhya sent Queen of Ayodhya away, and OK, for you, it's a wrong decision, but then the King suffered enormously for that).
But we never seem to sympathise with this forever lonely man, we never try to take any positive lesson from his thousand years long torment, we never derive any positive message for all humans from this, all we like doing is to prove how utterly bad a husband Shri Raam is. As I said, this unidirectional thinking is more a result of out Taamsic astral body, and not at all a result of what message Maharaishi Valmiki wanted to give us thorugh his epic.
For all the devotees of Lord SitaRam, in any divine play, the basic reason for its happening is "Prem-Ras Siddhant" which I stated previously. So my Supreme Lord is here among us and living like a human among us, not because he needs to, but because His love for His kids, i.e. us, compels Him to. So every action of His divine play is guided by love.
So I'll take the lesson, that through this incident, Lord tells us through His ACTIONS what he told us in Bhagvad Gita through His words, "extremely difficult to decipher Dharma." And even the most knowledgeable in the concepts of dharma, and who more knowledgeable that Shri Raam, might go wrong at some point or the other. That's a good lesson for us mortals living in a complex world, to draw, don't you think. Also, once you carry out a wrong act, and unfavouable result is guaranteed sooner or later. This lesson too I draw from this incident. Again, a very good lesson for all of us, I'm sure you agree.
The only subtlety here is, while the devotees like me will conclude that our Lord Shri Raam, is so so infinitely benevolent that He knowlingly endures such torments for us, so that we may draw the right lessons. Others, for whom Ramayan's merely an epic authored by Valmiki, will think that Valmiki's "hero" turned into "just like any other Shakespearean hero with a major tragic flaw" as you stated, but even these people can draw the right lessons easily, no one's stopping them, provided they really wish to draw some good life lessons from Ramayan, and not merely to use this or that incident to prove to the devotees how bad Shri Raam is, and why He is not fit to be worshipped. That they use something as beautiful as Ramayan not to draw beautiful and helpful lessons at each and every step but to use it as a stick to beat the devotees with, is, to repeat again, their misfortune arising from their Taamsic astral body, and can't be helped.
Finally, u repeatedly point out how rama is always so open in accepting his mistakes..u even mentioned something about him accepting his failure as a husband as well as , as a king in double quotation,Re-read my post. The sentence you are talking about begins with "maybe", so clearly, I was thinking aloud there. Shri Raam never stated which of His actions were right and which were wrong. As I said, MAYBE this is what he is telling us through His actions in this case.
Ok, time up. Before I go, MOST IMPORTANT THING. Yeah, I almost worship The Joker. 😆
Originally posted by: sherlock
1]. But I think you're not reading my previous post right. Where have I mocked anybody? Both at the start and end of my previous post, I encouraged you to keep trying to get your doubts about divine play clarified!
I said that people have this tendency to pick only certain incidents from divine play and then there's endless discussions on that, but I also stated that, "incidents of our choosing help us view God as human like us, so that's perfectly ok."!!
OK this post is purely meant for clearing ur doubts about my posts with regards to the above quoted 3 instances..
@ 1. Yes u definitely encouraged me to continue with my'quest' at the start n end of ur post but leaving out the middle part was very smart.👏.. yes people have the tendency to pick up relevant instances from epics that makes much sense to them living in a modern society as was explained by me in my last two posts with reason..n I never said u said anything otherwise.. n as for mockery, hmm..let's just leave it..I dont wanna talk abt that n more importantly I dont mind it !
@ 2. When did I ever say u called my questions'unreasonable'?.. it was a term used by me, for me..umm..well may b it was a play on the word..but that's only bcoz two people can play this game..
O boy!.. 'misinterpretations' is definitely a two way street..isn't it?.. lol..
@ 3. Now there!.. that seems a fair enough accusation.. but that's probably bcoz of my lack of knowledge of religious texts n unfamiliarity with ur way of talking..when u used double quotation marks, I took it as the Lord's word from religious text without properly reading it..so yes, I ll give u that..that was my bad..oopsie..
But any ways, its all a case of water under the bridge now..so peace out! 😊
Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Akasha
Next time, please shorten your posts.😆Its difficult to go through.😆
Originally posted by: Akash005
😭Even my smartphone seems exhausted!.. it keeps on crashing due to low RAM memory n is over heated !😕
I m unable to load full pages of the forum..sometimes it loads half , sometimes its blank n if m lucky full page is loaded..so I had to try really hard to b able to read Sherlock's comments..but it was worth the efforts of course ..
Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Why don't you use a PC?