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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#381

@kriti, sorry if I seem rude. Its just that Radha is a touchy topic for me.

So, regarding Authenticity, it is common knowledge that Brahmavaivarta Purana is all about Radhakrsna (yes I know many scholars doubt the entire Purana).

Regarding Padma Purana and various Upanishads, the slokas regarding this topic are given in the purports of Bhagavatam by Srila Prabhupada, Jiva Goswami, Vishvanatha Chakravarti and other acharyas. So THEY obviously must have read the original.

Devi Bhagavatam. Well the only complete translation is by Swami Vijnananda, but every commentary on it refers to its contents.. so it must be authentic.

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#382

Ok I had just asked a big doubt and provided a detailed summary of it, but my net stopped working and it got deleted. So I am just posting the doubt here.

Is there really a time period in history called "The Vedic Age" "The Ramayana Era" The Mahabharata Era" and "The Pauranic Age?"

Because in my opinion they are all the same, and each "time period" complements the other. MOre later.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#383

I asked this in the MB D&D but I'll repeat it here.

Some of the tapasyas done by characters there to propriate Shiva seemed really short:

Shalva started his after he got the news of Sishupala's death, and got a divine flying chariot w/ which he laid waste to Dwarka. His confrontation w/ Krishna happened @ about the same time as Draupadi's vh. Which would be how long - maybe a few months?
Arjun did his tapasya to Shiva during their exile. MAX that could have been would have been 12 years, but we know it was much less b'cos he first did tapasya to Indra, then on Indra's recommendation to Shiva. After that he went to swargalok, had his tryst w/ Urvashi, returned, was there to rescue the Kauravas from his friend Chitrasena, battle Jayadrath and also the yaksha lake. So while his penances may have been long, it was still short given all the time he had to do everything else
Jayadrath's, like Shalva's, was again really short. He had his confrontation w/ Draupadi in year 11 or 12, then did his penances after the Pandavas humiliated him, then was ready for war by year 14. In other words, the max he could have been doing tapasya would have been 3 years.

My question - did Mahadev appear b4 people that quickly? In older stories, such as Tarakasura/Surapadman, or whenever he appeared b4 Asuras, they'd usually need 100s or 1000s of years b4 either Brahma or Shiva appeared b4 them. But in these Dwapar Yuga cases - at least the above 3, Mahadev appears b4 them pretty easily. Even Amba's penances to Mahadev couldn't have lasted more than 2 generations, if she got reborn as Kunti's DIL's sister.

Any idea about how things could have happened that quickly?

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#384

As I said earlier, I can only remember DKDM's first episode. But lets take it from a differnt perspective.

Each Yuga has a dharma to follow. The dharma of the Satya Yuga was tapas tapas tapas, the Dharma of Treta Yuga was Yagya, The Dharma of Dwapara is Daana, and the Dharma of Kaliyuga is namasankirtana.

So, two points of focus here are Satya yuga adn Dwapara Yuga. So, while tapas was the prime focus in Satya Yuga, it is NOT in the Dwapara Yuga. Also to be considered is the age of ppl, which like I mentioned earlier in this thread, was a lakh or more years for S.Yuga and max. 1000 years in D.Yuga. So S. Yuga could afford to do tapasya for thousands of years.

So the case we have here is, the D.Yuga people did tapasya, which was not their Yuga dharma, and also, did tapasya in proportion to their life.

SO say, Hiranyakasipu lived for 5,00,70,061 years.

He did tapasya for what, say one lakh years? So the ratio is 5 crore: 1 lakh :: 500:1

Arjuna lived for 125 years. He did tapasya for say, 6 years? Then that is 125:6.. No, make it 5.

That will be 25:1. OK accepted that is not a great ratio. But it is.

And also, Mahadev is Bholenath and Ashutosha, so easy to please.

New reason which cropped up in my mind. Mahadev knew what was going to happen in the future, about Shalva's attack to coincide with Draupadi's VH, and Kurukshetra. So he just appeared fast so that sab kuch jaldi ho sake aur Kurukshetra will happen ON TIME.😆

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#385

So if anyone could answer my doubts hanging in the air above...

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Kriti Jain

@wildcat1994

Explorer

Posted: 11 years ago

#386

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Ok I had just asked a big doubt and provided a detailed summary of it, but my net stopped working and it got deleted. So I am just posting the doubt here.
Is there really a time period in history called "The Vedic Age" "The Ramayana Era" The Mahabharata Era" and "The Pauranic Age?"
Because in my opinion they are all the same, and each "time period" complements the other. MOre later.

surya...first thing am not saying that THERE IS NO RADHA...all i am saying is some believe in her stories, some don't...n just like existence of krishna n ram hangs in air with few proofs...so does her exisistence!!!!

n now, ur question about the vedic age, ramayana era, etc...yes these time periods do exist...actually, they complement each-other...but diff historians like giving diff names for easier reference...simply, the age that dealt with the entire satya yuga...or the neolithic age is referred as the vedic age coz that is when the vedas were written...ramayana era is from ram's birth till death...mahabharat from d birth of bhisma till end of pandavas, crowning of parikshit included...n lastly, pauranic era is that when d puranas are believed to have been written...!!!!

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#387

But the Puranas deal with everything in all Yugas, so don't they actually stretch throughout?

Oh, and no offence about the previous topic.😊

Edited by Surya_krsnbhakt - 11 years ago

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Kriti Jain

@wildcat1994

Explorer

Posted: 11 years ago

#388

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
I asked this in the MB D&D but I'll repeat it here.

Some of the tapasyas done by characters there to propriate Shiva seemed really short:
Shalva started his after he got the news of Sishupala's death, and got a divine flying chariot w/ which he laid waste to Dwarka. His confrontation w/ Krishna happened @ about the same time as Draupadi's vh. Which would be how long - maybe a few months?
Arjun did his tapasya to Shiva during their exile. MAX that could have been would have been 12 years, but we know it was much less b'cos he first did tapasya to Indra, then on Indra's recommendation to Shiva. After that he went to swargalok, had his tryst w/ Urvashi, returned, was there to rescue the Kauravas from his friend Chitrasena, battle Jayadrath and also the yaksha lake. So while his penances may have been long, it was still short given all the time he had to do everything else
Jayadrath's, like Shalva's, was again really short. He had his confrontation w/ Draupadi in year 11 or 12, then did his penances after the Pandavas humiliated him, then was ready for war by year 14. In other words, the max he could have been doing tapasya would have been 3 years.
My question - did Mahadev appear b4 people that quickly? In older stories, such as Tarakasura/Surapadman, or whenever he appeared b4 Asuras, they'd usually need 100s or 1000s of years b4 either Brahma or Shiva appeared b4 them. But in these Dwapar Yuga cases - at least the above 3, Mahadev appears b4 them pretty easily. Even Amba's penances to Mahadev couldn't have lasted more than 2 generations, if she got reborn as Kunti's DIL's sister.

Any idea about how things could have happened that quickly?

ok...listen, there id diff in year calculation...as in one year for shiva is diff n shorter than a year for brahma but is longer than a year for humans...in fact, that is y all these questions like how long who did tapasya crops up...ppl in satya yuga lived longer n did tapasya for thousands of HUMAN YEARS but how many shiva yrs remains a question?? in fact, even in mahabharat, some historians believe that the time periods have been stated according to VISHNU yrs (coz of krishna) not human years...so actually, this 12 yr in Mahabharata would have been much greater in human years but again no proof to prove or guarantee anything!!!!😃

so rather trying to figure out what is goin on...we ie general public, need to ignore some things!!!!😉

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Kriti Jain

@wildcat1994

Explorer

Posted: 11 years ago

#389

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
But the Puranas deal with everything in all Yugas, so don't they actually stretch throughout?
Oh, and no offence about the previous topic.😊

puranas deal with all yugas true but they have been written at d same time or during some particular years...don't remember exactly but that time period is referred to as Pauranic age!!!!

n yaar chill, no offence!!!!😉