CLASSICAL TRAINING IS BAD!!! - Page 4

Originally posted by: madhavi_r108

another good example are penn masala (dunno if u guys have heard of them..megha..forgive me.. u kno me na 😉 ).. hearing them sing live, u will just wanna get up n dance !!! n they dont move an inch from their mikes !

madz PM is PM! 😳 i wish i can see them perform live....i start dancing just listening to them 😳 ahhhhhh penn maSala 😳

Originally posted by: madhavi_r108

also.. Himesh did learn music which is the reason that he can take some notes really well. Hear the songs of Benares. I was in state of shock to hear it..its onyl when he puts his cap and twists the mike he goes cuck coo !!!

and ya.. this is a singing show and a show about performance. Ithink a good performer need not necessarily dance but be able to make others dance, cry, sing etc etc.

one example of good performer is Asha Bhonsle. She doenst dance much, but her voice has so much energy that wants to make us dance.

another good example are penn masala (dunno if u guys have heard of them..megha..forgive me.. u kno me na 😉 ).. hearing them sing live, u will just wanna get up n dance !!! n they dont move an inch from their mikes !

dancing need not be performance or the x factor..its somethign else all together..thts y its called 'x' factor

Yes, HR is a completely different singer in Banaras. But its his ABA, Jhalak songs that are a hit. Its clear that he's stick to his nasal style of singing cos it works. And we know HR is a firm believer in 'mujhe tere ghar mein roti chahiye, struggle nahin'

Anyway, good points. Completely agree.

PM is just another story. They don't even need background music. They make 'their own music'. They're quite a few a cappella desi groups in the US. PM is definitely one of the most popular. There was a good topic on PM on the forum. I think it was some other section though.

Are you in right mind ? Kumar Shanu is doyen of playback singing ?

First of all it depends on what kind of classical music u r talking about-Hindustani or Karnatic. The problem I find with a lot of Karnatic music signers is tht they try to add too many harkats in a song and make it sound 'classical' instead of just singing the notes straight and maintainin the feel of the song. Besides, a lot of karnatic music singers tend to be frm the south so they dont understand the heavy urdu used in some songs too well (this is just a generalisation).

Hindustani music signers, I feel manage to capture the 'feel' of the song bttr, while the Karnatic music singers get the technicalities and every semi-quaver in the song BANG ON.

But its nvr a disadvantage to learn classical music-it helps to refine ur voice and it becomes SO MUCH easier to pick up a film song. The vigor of classical music is such tht film/pop songs tend to become very easy to handle in terms of singing the melody.

If this classical training is backed up by some sound knowledge of 'filmi' songs or even English contemporary music then its even more beneficial. Coz in order to sing the peppy songs or item numbers its important to understand how to sing it in the right style. For example, Sunidhi Chauhan is a very well trained classical signer and but at the same time she listens to Celine Dion/Mariah Carey and this shd be helping her add the versitality and help her sing the 'item' songs so well.

Originally posted by: breathing_irony

First of all it depends on what kind of classical music u r talking about-Hindustani or Karnatic. The problem I find with a lot of Karnatic music signers is tht they try to add too many harkats in a song and make it sound 'classical' instead of just singing the notes straight and maintainin the feel of the song. Besides, a lot of karnatic music singers tend to be frm the south so they dont understand the heavy urdu used in some songs too well (this is just a generalisation).

Hindustani music signers, I feel manage to capture the 'feel' of the song bttr, while the Karnatic music singers get the technicalities and every semi-quaver in the song BANG ON.

But its nvr a disadvantage to learn classical music-it helps to refine ur voice and it becomes SO MUCH easier to pick up a film song. The vigor of classical music is such tht film/pop songs tend to become very easy to handle in terms of singing the melody.

If this classical training is backed up by some sound knowledge of 'filmi' songs or even English contemporary music then its even more beneficial. Coz in order to sing the peppy songs or item numbers its important to understand how to sing it in the right style. For example, Sunidhi Chauhan is a very well trained classical signer and but at the same time she listens to Celine Dion/Mariah Carey and this shd be helping her add the versitality and help her sing the 'item' songs so well.

Pls explain the bolded portion with examples.

and in bolly wood play back siniging how many carnatic music singers are there.(i know only 2 jesudas and chitra)

both are from south and are not no.1 singers in bollywood and south love their song and whatever harkat they make

they put feel also in their song

tell me u dint find any fell in raath ka nasha bhi

dont make copmarison of carnatic and hindustani with these points

these two musics are beyond our reach and by learning it for more than 5 years is not meant that we know all bout music

big musicians alwys says music is like ocean and they have not learned a drop of that.

Originally posted by: music_masti

Pls explain the bolded portion with examples.

and in bolly wood play back siniging how many carnatic music singers are there.(i know only 2 jesudas and chitra)

both are from south and are not no.1 singers in bollywood and south love their song and whatever harkat they make

they put feel also in their song

tell me u dint find any fell in raath ka nasha bhi

dont make copmarison of carnatic and hindustani with these points

these two musics are beyond our reach and by learning it for more than 5 years is not meant that we know all bout music

big musicians alwys says music is like ocean and they have not learned a drop of that.

SP Balasubramanium has learnt carnatic music and so has AR Rehman, Mahalaxmi Iyer, Kavita Krishnamurthy, Hariharan and Shankar Mahadevan. And all of them are FANTASTIC singers.

I'm just trying to point out the plus points in different branches of classical music. I even remember in one interview, Karunya mentioned that karnatic music helps in expanding range and other technicalities, while hindustani music helps to add feel to the song.

As for my comment on certain carnatic singers adding too harkats----I was talkin about singers I've met in local singing competitions NOT singers in B'wood. There r singing shows shown on Sun TV and Asianet where the signers r expected to sing one Hindi song and many of the singers tend to have a tendency to add too many harkats just for the heck of showing off.

for those sun tv and asianet contestants

first thing they are not from hindi speaking area and they do ofcourse have that diction problem what judges were saying abt hema.

so many people may not be knowing the meaning of the song and sings so they had their own harkats wherever they want.

will they add any harkats in their malayalam or tamil songs . no because they know what they are singing.

and ofcourse in these suntv and asianet contests the judges who are sitting there are also from south(not may be thepeople who hd sung/given music to hindi play back )


even we know jesudas and chitra having diction problem
but for them at the time of recording they are having the lyricist or musician will tell them how to pronounce.

for this contestants to sing hindi song i dont think there is some one to help them on pronounciation and where the harkats are applicable.
(i also used to watch this programs )

Sonya, PM is different in terms of music. I used their example wrt to performance. And yes, the previous topic was also started by me in the SRGMP forum during the Challenge. Its a pity that a lot of people don't know about them. After hearing their latest album Pehchaan, I think those guys would do better in the current Indian reality shows than the contestants themselves.

breathing_irony,I agree with some points of yours. But then again, a lot of people add harkats to show off !

Richa added a few harkats I think at the end of her duet round and Anu Malik commented about that !

Learning Classical music is a HUGE advantage in terms of practice. But more advantageous than that is to have a good exposure of different musical forms. That makes a good singer.