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Posted: 3 years ago

have slightly different views on why I think the TRPs are failing. so I will just copy and paste what I wrote in another thread. my view is as someone who started watcing for aryan and arylie chemistry and have now become detached post wedding tracks. so my view is that falling TRPs is actually because of arylie themselves and the poor writing. 🤷


hmmm, as someone detached from the drama at this point, here are my observations for why the angst isn't working and not even stirring my interest.

-- while it might seem romantic for some that they are both in the same place romantically, it is the reverse for me. people change and become bitter but they are still functional -- that is what brings on the angst in other dramas for me; life has moved on in many ways and they have learned to live without each other and your heart aches that time has passed.

as one of my favourite quotes goes “There could have never been two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved. Now they were as strangers; nay, worse than strangers, for they could never become acquainted. It was a perpetual estrangement.”

that is what the writers need to show -- when aryan says "I am now your boss", you are supposed to feel a punch and a slap. he is essentially saying that they no longer have any personal ties and they are strangers. that is what we need to see - a perpetual separation where he is cold, cold, cold! instead, it seemed like replay of romantic scenes from the past 🤦🤦

-- the second reason the angst isn't working is that imlie is as pigheaded as ever. we are supposed to feel bad for her but I instead felt bad for the shopkeeper who has to deal with such a bad customer. why should he go into debt because she can't pay? why should he give her credit?

I won't go into a full rant but I absolutely abhor this kind of scene when the reality is that so many micro, small and medium enterprises have gone belly up because of the pandemic and it is a huge economic problem. so many business owners could not pay their employees and had to shut down. these micro businesses run on very small cash margins and when their customers don't pay on time, they cannot afford to keep running and that in turn affects the whole chain. so please, none of this "shopkeeper is bad" nonsense -- well does the world give credit just because she is the FL? 🙄🙄

in most separation dramas, what amps the angst is the changes in the female lead and how she has become painfully practical because of the changes in her economics. so instead of fighting back, she bites her tongue and gives in to humiliation. and if the FL is a single mom, then those humiliations and her silently bearing them are up a notch because she has to be practical. this is what drives TRPs in many separation arcs in other dramas.

do we see that here? nope, she is still as proud but is expecting everyone else to bend around her as always. well, she should have been cut down to size from a practical perspective. if she had bit her tongue and apologized to aryan just for cheeni's sake as she needs the money, that would have brought in angst as we see how her pride has been broken. instead, she comes across as kind of emotionally depressed in some scenes but that doesn't bring in the angst for a detached viewer like myself. 🤷

-- the third reason is the grounding of conflict and why they are on different sides. again, imlie's pigheadedness seems to be more about pride and not about principles. instead, people being on opposite sides because of different worldviews can amp the angst. in "shadow and bone", the final scene in the series, alina rejects him with a glance and darkling says almost wearily and frustratedly "fine make me your villian" -- so much of angst and pangs in that one scene!!!! that is the kind of conflict we need where we don't know if they can find a way to get back to each other because they are so far apart and cutting down each other instead.

in other dramas, the angst is amplified because the separation isn't just between the leads but also between the two families who now hate each other. so instead of just a conflict between the leads, it gets expanded into full scale war between two families where other family members are also trying to sabotage and stirring the pot -- ekta serials do that superbly. we don't have that here.

-- the fourth reason is how life changes can be an enemy. in one of my fav kdramas, the two characters meet after so many years and they are both embarassed and humiliated because they are nowhere where they thought they will be. he is still jobless and hasn't made it while his friends have become successful. her family went broke and she is now a waitress/dishwasher. the way they try to hide their circumstances as they meet in a very mundane way and try to pretend they are good tugs at your heart -- where your pride is hurt and life has beaten you and you feel stupid and silly to face your old love.

in imlie, we do not see the embarassment or the humiliation or the awkwardness of running back into your ex -- instead we had some very filmy scenes that didn't work for me at all. I felt nothing. 🤷 why not have them meet in a very mundane way? -- that would have been more angsty.

-- as for cheeni, I won't go there because this post is already a long essay smiley2 but I find her scenes annoying. this should be a 4-5 year old child but she has been given dialogues and scenes way above her age. at UKG, the child should be barely understanding what adults speak. instead she gives lectures to people and that is supposed to be cute?? 🤦🤦

another reason for why the separation arc fails -- in other dramas, the child stirs your emotions with their way of seeing the world because it is very age appropriate dilaogues and situations. instead, I am eye rolling with cheeni scenes. 🙄🙄

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

have slightly different views on why I think the TRPs are failing. so I will just copy and paste what I wrote in another thread. my view is as someone who started watcing for aryan and arylie chemistry and have now become detached post wedding tracks. so my view is that falling TRPs is actually because of arylie themselves and the poor writing. 🤷


hmmm, as someone detached from the drama at this point, here are my observations for why the angst isn't working and not even stirring my interest.

-- while it might seem romantic for some that they are both in the same place romantically, it is the reverse for me. people change and become bitter but they are still functional -- that is what brings on the angst in other dramas for me; life has moved on in many ways and they have learned to live without each other and your heart aches that time has passed.

as one of my favourite quotes goes “There could have never been two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved. Now they were as strangers; nay, worse than strangers, for they could never become acquainted. It was a perpetual estrangement.”

that is what the writers need to show -- when aryan says "I am now your boss", you are supposed to feel a punch and a slap. he is essentially saying that they no longer have any personal ties and they are strangers. that is what we need to see - a perpetual separation where he is cold, cold, cold! instead, it seemed like replay of romantic scenes from the past 🤦🤦

-- the second reason the angst isn't working is that imlie is as pigheaded as ever. we are supposed to feel bad for her but I instead felt bad for the shopkeeper who has to deal with such a bad customer. why should he go into debt because she can't pay? why should he give her credit?

I won't go into a full rant but I absolutely abhor this kind of scene when the reality is that so many micro, small and medium enterprises have gone belly up because of the pandemic and it is a huge economic problem. so many business owners could not pay their employees and had to shut down. these micro businesses run on very small cash margins and when their customers don't pay on time, they cannot afford to keep running and that in turn affects the whole chain. so please, none of this "shopkeeper is bad" nonsense -- well does the world give credit just because she is the FL? 🙄🙄

in most separation dramas, what amps the angst is the changes in the female lead and how she has become painfully practical because of the changes in her economics. so instead of fighting back, she bites her tongue and gives in to humiliation. and if the FL is a single mom, then those humiliations and her silently bearing them are up a notch because she has to be practical. this is what drives TRPs in many separation arcs in other dramas.

do we see that here? nope, she is still as proud but is expecting everyone else to bend around her as always. well, she should have been cut down to size from a practical perspective. if she had bit her tongue and apologized to aryan just for cheeni's sake as she needs the money, that would have brought in angst as we see how her pride has been broken. instead, she comes across as kind of emotionally depressed in some scenes but that doesn't bring in the angst for a detached viewer like myself. 🤷

-- the third reason is the grounding of conflict and why they are on different sides. again, imlie's pigheadedness seems to be more about pride and not about principles. instead, people being on opposite sides because of different worldviews can amp the angst. in "shadow and bone", the final scene in the series, alina rejects him with a glance and darkling says almost wearily and frustratedly "fine make me your villian" -- so much of angst and pangs in that one scene!!!! that is the kind of conflict we need where we don't know if they can find a way to get back to each other because they are so far apart and cutting down each other instead.

in other dramas, the angst is amplified because the separation isn't just between the leads but also between the two families who now hate each other. so instead of just a conflict between the leads, it gets expanded into full scale war between two families where other family members are also trying to sabotage and stirring the pot -- ekta serials do that superbly. we don't have that here.

-- the fourth reason is how life changes can be an enemy. in one of my fav kdramas, the two characters meet after so many years and they are both embarassed and humiliated because they are nowhere where they thought they will be. he is still jobless and hasn't made it while his friends have become successful. her family went broke and she is now a waitress/dishwasher. the way they try to hide their circumstances as they meet in a very mundane way and try to pretend they are good tugs at your heart -- where your pride is hurt and life has beaten you and you feel stupid and silly to face your old love.

in imlie, we do not see the embarassment or the humiliation or the awkwardness of running back into your ex -- instead we had some very filmy scenes that didn't work for me at all. I felt nothing. 🤷 why not have them meet in a very mundane way? -- that would have been more angsty.

-- as for cheeni, I won't go there because this post is already a long essay smiley2 but I find her scenes annoying. this should be a 4-5 year old child but she has been given dialogues and scenes way above her age. at UKG, the child should be barely understanding what adults speak. instead she gives lectures to people and that is supposed to be cute?? 🤦🤦

another reason for why the separation arc fails -- in other dramas, the child stirs your emotions with their way of seeing the world because it is very age appropriate dilaogues and situations. instead, I am eye rolling with cheeni scenes. 🙄🙄


Great post! You have raised a lot of interesting points. Thanks for the read. Loved it.


Bold1 - My personal interpretation is Imlie has a valid reason for not apologizing. If she apologizes, then the girl who was being taken advantage of, will be proven a liar. Imlie can't let that happen. I am actually with her on this even though in general PD is a hellhole and I don't understand her attachment to this place. I am hoping she comes to her senses and bends in front of Aryan and takes the job at Ujala.


Bold2 - I am with you on this. The actress is very cute and likable but the character is just another tv kid and I can't warm up to her. And I might be wrong but trp aunties might not like the fact that she is Malini and AKT's kid and not Arylie's baby.

Edited by new_tvfan - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: new_tvfan


Great post! You have raised a lot of interesting points. Thanks for the read. Loved it.


Bold1 - My personal interpretation is Imlie has a valid reason for not apologizing. If she apologizes, then the girl who was being taken advantage of, will be proven a liar. Imlie can't let that happen. I am actually with her on this even though in general PD is a hellhole and I don't understand her attachment to this place. I am hoping she comes to her senses and bends in front of Aryan and takes the job at Ujala.


Bold2 - I am with you on this. The actress is very cute and likable but the character is just another tv kid and I can't warm up to her. And I might be wrong but trp aunties might not like the fact that she is Malini and AKT's kid and not Arylie's baby.

in some ways, I agree with malini that unless pagandia is exposed as this hellhole, these stupid people will continue to do weird things. while the news was a bit off with the girl, the fact is they were still trying to force a marriage.

but regardless, at least in other dramas, it is the practical pain of having to bite your tongue to keep your job that drives angst. I remember in one where the FL bitterly says that principles make no difference when you have bills to pay and therefore, it does not matter if the customer was rude and wrong but she will apologize nonetheless and later goes into the hall and bitterly cries. that is the sort of scenes that will hurt viewers because all of us can relate. especially in our country where we are constantly told to 'just adjust' even when we hate it -- TRP gold!!!!

and yea, I am still not able to wrap my head around cheeni being aditya's baby and somehow we are supposed to root for these two to become her parents. still gives me a bit of distaste to be honest.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: livelytanu

TRPs prove that Malini's entry never gave the push which the show needed. Arylie separated for a lame reason which could have been solved overnight. Malini's entry has been received negatively by the audience. This show did better with Jyoti as a villain than Malini. This shows a lot about how audience received Malini back. Also the reason for Arylie separation is so lame that people find it hard to connect with. But now that the makers have stepped onto this road. They need to make the show more palatable. They need to bring Imlie and cheeni to RM. They need to bring back Arylie together. They also need to make the show more positive. Drama should be integrated with positivity. They should not rush with the tracks yet progress with the story smoothly.

I am not hopeful much. I believe that the show will be there for a short while after which then can take a gen leap.

However another think I noticed is most of the shows have dropped this week except for a few because of the cricket matches. I think the same will follow this week as well.

Okay,i wanted to tell this on Thursday itself but couldn't.I was never of the opinion that just bringing back Malini will fetch TRP. A single character cannot bring TRP or tank it. The storyline is the key. If story is not good forget Malini, any character cannot bring TRP.

Malini's entry could have been done in a better way. People didn't even recover from one baccha jaap that they brought in another. This baccha thing could have been twisted by showing that Malini miscarried her baby and hence is even more vengeful towards Imlie.

However, I don't think that Jyoti was a better villain than malini. Malini knows Imlie well and played with her insecurities and weakness.She made Imlie apologize to her in front of Aryan. Within a week of her entry they got separated. Whereas Jyoti could not do it even in 2 months.

As for the TRP, it has been in the same range(1.9-2.1)since the inception of pregnancy track. I think the audience just did not want a child in Arylie's lives in any form and hence this is happening.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: G259

Okay,i wanted to tell this on Thursday itself but couldn't.I was never of the opinion that just bringing back Malini will fetch TRP. A single character cannot bring TRP or tank it. The storyline is the key. If story is not good forget Malini, any character cannot bring TRP.

Malini's entry could have been done in a better way. People didn't even recover from one baccha jaap that they brought in another. This baccha thing could have been twisted by showing that Malini miscarried her baby and hence is even more vengeful towards Imlie.

However, I don't think that Jyoti was a better villain than malini. Malini knows Imlie well and played with her insecurities and weakness.She made Imlie apologize to her in front of Aryan. Within a week of her entry they got separated. Whereas Jyoti could not do it even in 2 months.

As for the TRP, it has been in the same range(1.9-2.1)since the inception of pregnancy track. I think the audience just did not want a child in Arylie's lives in any form and hence this is happening.

agree with you; the pregnancy track was way too early. at least in other dramas, it happens after a 100+ episodes of slowburn romance before they bring up pregnancy. but then lots of folks say channel interference is why these tracks were happening too quickly. they could have used the pregnancy track for arpita and sunder instead or even baby doll! (some sort of one night stand)....

what was the TRP earlier?

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: G259

Okay,i wanted to tell this on Thursday itself but couldn't.I was never of the opinion that just bringing back Malini will fetch TRP. A single character cannot bring TRP or tank it. The storyline is the key. If story is not good forget Malini, any character cannot bring TRP.

Malini's entry could have been done in a better way. People didn't even recover from one baccha jaap that they brought in another. This baccha thing could have been twisted by showing that Malini miscarried her baby and hence is even more vengeful towards Imlie.

However, I don't think that Jyoti was a better villain than malini. Malini knows Imlie well and played with her insecurities and weakness.She made Imlie apologize to her in front of Aryan. Within a week of her entry they got separated. Whereas Jyoti could not do it even in 2 months.

As for the TRP, it has been in the same range(1.9-2.1)since the inception of pregnancy track. I think the audience just did not want a child in Arylie's lives in any form and hence this is happening.


Bold1 - Jo was so stupid but I think audience enjoyed her hijinks because they inevitably brought Arylie closer. Malini on the other hand was brought too soon and was too good at manipulating Imlie who was dumbed down to a ridiculous degree. It was not an enjoyable viewing experience, at least for me. Watching Imlie be so pathetic while Aryan watched helplessly was not something audience expects from Arylie. At least Aryan should have been allowed by the writers to handle Malini especially since he still had evidence of her trying to kill Imlie. Bringing back Malini was just stupid.


Red - Agreed. Arylie is known for their chemistry and their stylish and badass push-pull relationship. No one wants to see them become parents or even nannies.











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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: G259

Okay,i wanted to tell this on Thursday itself but couldn't.I was never of the opinion that just bringing back Malini will fetch TRP. A single character cannot bring TRP or tank it. The storyline is the key. If story is not good forget Malini, any character cannot bring TRP.

Malini's entry could have been done in a better way. People didn't even recover from one baccha jaap that they brought in another. This baccha thing could have been twisted by showing that Malini miscarried her baby and hence is even more vengeful towards Imlie.

However, I don't think that Jyoti was a better villain than malini. Malini knows Imlie well and played with her insecurities and weakness.She made Imlie apologize to her in front of Aryan. Within a week of her entry they got separated. Whereas Jyoti could not do it even in 2 months.

As for the TRP, it has been in the same range(1.9-2.1)since the inception of pregnancy track. I think the audience just did not want a child in Arylie's lives in any form and hence this is happening.

@ bold: This .

Imo, Malini's character is doing a great job as a plot device. In this whole reboot thing, she was and is actually needed bcz she knows Imlie's insecurities well..

The main reason of them being stuck at 1.9-2.1 is solely Arylie being made into parents especially at a time when we.didn't even get to see them as lovers. Many audiences left at at time. And now with the reboot , the execution and writing of episodes have improved and they are again slowly gaining momentum.

I personally feel they need to realse a Arylie centric tashan promo to bring back the audience. And they need to focus on Arylie as individuals and not as parents..

Keva is doing a wonderful job but if audience couldn't accept their cheeku . How will they accept them parenting someone else's kid. Now that in a week or 2 they have established the cheeni-Arylie bond in effort to make audience connect with cheeni, they need to tone done her scenes and bring focus back to Arylie. Cheeni will be a plot device bcz they had intent to make them parents, MC wouldn't have happened.

Past week we mostly got fillers, Arylie hit-miss. Its a good thing that where every show fell in star, we maintained its trps.

And tbh, trp audience watches anything and everything . They are not connected to characters like online audience. If not then shows like ghum who is toxic and cringe and bhagyas promoting bigmay won't be getting trps. They just need a well balanced epsiode with leads tashan, nok jhok , a balance between emotional and light hearted moments..

The only problem I have is them showing Imlie dirt poor.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

agree with you; the pregnancy track was way too early. at least in other dramas, it happens after a 100+ episodes of slowburn romance before they bring up pregnancy. but then lots of folks say channel interference is why these tracks were happening too quickly. they could have used the pregnancy track for arpita and sunder instead or even baby doll! (some sort of one night stand)....

what was the TRP earlier?

It was above 2 only. Actually all shows across GEC's TRP's started to decline since March.
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

in some ways, I agree with malini that unless pagandia is exposed as this hellhole, these stupid people will continue to do weird things. while the news was a bit off with the girl, the fact is they were still trying to force a marriage.

but regardless, at least in other dramas, it is the practical pain of having to bite your tongue to keep your job that drives angst. I remember in one where the FL bitterly says that principles make no difference when you have bills to pay and therefore, it does not matter if the customer was rude and wrong but she will apologize nonetheless and later goes into the hall and bitterly cries. that is the sort of scenes that will hurt viewers because all of us can relate. especially in our country where we are constantly told to 'just adjust' even when we hate it -- TRP gold!!!!

and yea, I am still not able to wrap my head around cheeni being aditya's baby and somehow we are supposed to root for these two to become her parents. still gives me a bit of distaste to be honest.


Bold - Me too. Cheeni is a sweet kid and the actress is good but I just can't forget her parentage. And to kill of Arylie's own child on top of that! All in all, it's distasteful to me and I can't imagine TRP aunties rooting for this. The writers really should have structured this leap a little differently. Leap with kids usually work when it's the kid belongs to the lead couple and not what Imlie is trying. I am still holding on to hope that the Tripathis or AKT makes an appearance and takes Cheeni away. That has potential for a good track there.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: G259

It was above 2 only. Actually all shows across GEC's TRP's started to decline since March.


I am told by someone that trp usually drops in the warmer season and picks up again when the winter sets in. Is there any truth to that?

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