Benefit of the Doubt - AKT [page16] - Page 4

WOW! You guys should seriously apply to be writers for this show. I don't think the writers even put this much thought into the characterization of someone.

These perspectives on Aditya's character arc are really interesting to read :-) What makes this all the more interesting is just what a wonderful actor GM is. Even with the plot being as ridiculous as it can be, one thing to be said is his dedication to it... the subteleties and nuances he brings to his character I think is what is making us discuss this so much in depth and root for him!

#AKTforpresident ;-)

As I said on the other thread - lovely post Chintaji.

The makers are intentionally playing this 2 ways....Adi is playing a game vs. Adi is still clueless about Malini.

Bringing so many tracks that are not closed logically - makes it seem like they may bring everything together...but Imlie creatives also have the habit of leaving things open and not closing them.

At this point we have discussed a lot on expressions etc. - while I see and consider these inconsistencies, these are debatable given GM's interview. My main point of reference always goes back to foreshadowing. If the integrity of that is not maintained in a show, then no point following with such zeal a show. The enjoyment in watching a show is not just watching whatever they show you day in and day out - but in trying to see and follow along the path of the story the makers are taking you along through logic, characterization and storyline. Some points below

Imlie putting Sita Maiya in Adi's room

- so her protection was not enough for Adi to be safe from Malini's plot? Far from protecting she actually had a front row seat to the act of Malini raping Adi? Gross! What a reward for Imlie who claims she is blessed by SM? In spite of Imlie pro-actively placing her in Adi's room - in her presence all this happened. Imlie should discontinue her delusion. Or is SM's protection is limited to Adilie being able to get back together even after she allowed such an act to happen? Really...no point in Imlie believing in her ever again. Imlie was also sure truth would win in court. SM was no help to her there as well. SM's reputation is in tatters right now.

Adi closing window of room during the storm - when Malini started all this planning with fake suicide attempt.

- I have firmly held that this meant Adi would finally expose Malini's kaands and so far nothing happening in this regard. How much further will Adi wait to do anything at all. Saying Imlie is my wife over and over again is useless. I get that he is a victim...but until when? This track has been extended for so long.

Barabari ka ristha

- where is that? I can see they love each other very much and support each other equally as well. Pain and abuse - with Adi's rape - is intent all of T's abuse, Adi's initial abuse equalized? In terms of fighting for truth - while Adi claims to be the flag bearer of truth - he has failed to establish it over and again to Imlie's disadvantage. For a while now - Imlie has been handling everything single handedly from an emotional aspect. Adi has not once asked Imlie - how is she holding up. Shouldnt he be going to her holding her comforting her through all this? Instead - 6 feet distance drama with date discussion is going on. . If pregnancy drama is allowed to continue and Imlie continued to be insulted and at a disadvantage - I see no barabari ka rishta here.

Let's see what this week unfolds.

Originally posted by: Whatever765

JP yaar--- 51/49 kar de...😆

Chalo, tum log bhi kya yaad rakhoge 😆

55/45

Originally posted by: PPak

As I said on the other thread - lovely post Chintaji.

The makers are intentionally playing this 2 ways....Adi is playing a game vs. Adi is still clueless about Malini.

Bringing so many tracks that are not closed logically - makes it seem like they may bring everything together...but Imlie creatives also have the habit of leaving things open and not closing them.

At this point we have discussed a lot on expressions etc. - while I see and consider these inconsistencies, these are debatable given GM's interview. My main point of reference always goes back to foreshadowing. If the integrity of that is not maintained in a show, then no point following with such zeal a show. The enjoyment in watching a show is not just watching whatever they show you day in and day out - but in trying to see and follow along the path of the story the makers are taking you along through logic, characterization and storyline. Some points below

Imlie putting Sita Maiya in Adi's room

- so her protection was not enough for Adi to be safe from Malini's plot? Far from protecting she actually had a front row seat to the act of Malini raping Adi? Gross! What a reward for Imlie who claims she is blessed by SM? In spite of Imlie pro-actively placing her in Adi's room - in her presence all this happened. Imlie should discontinue her delusion. Or is SM's protection is limited to Adilie being able to get back together even after she allowed such an act to happen? Really...no point in Imlie believing in her ever again. Imlie was also sure truth would win in court. SM was no help to her there as well. SM's reputation is in tatters right now.

Adi closing window of room during the storm - when Malini started all this planning with fake suicide attempt.

- I have firmly held that this meant Adi would finally expose Malini's kaands and so far nothing happening in this regard. How much further will Adi wait to do anything at all. Saying Imlie is my wife over and over again is useless. I get that he is a victim...but until when? This track has been extended for so long.

Barabari ka ristha

- where is that? I can see they love each other very much and support each other equally as well. Pain and abuse - with Adi's rape - is intent all of T's abuse, Adi's initial abuse equalized? In terms of fighting for truth - while Adi claims to be the flag bearer of truth - he has failed to establish it over and again to Imlie's disadvantage. For a while now - Imlie has been handling everything single handedly from an emotional aspect. Adi has not once asked Imlie - how is she holding up. Shouldnt he be going to her holding her comforting her through all this? Instead - 6 feet distance drama with date discussion is going on. . If pregnancy drama is allowed to continue and Imlie continued to be insulted and at a disadvantage - I see no barabari ka rishta here.

Let's see what this week unfolds.

Okay, while I get your anger PPak, going to put some controversial counters to the above:

- SM still has not lost her reputation, as Imlie has always asked SM to ensure that Malini is shown the right way. While I am still in team #nothinghappened, I still feel that SM being there was to ensure that after all this Adi is atleast made aware that what happened that night was not his fault. Her purpose of being there was to put the seed of doubt in Adi's head about his best friend, which was successful to a large extent. SM could nit give Imlie the win in court, coz tagt would have not solved Imlie's purpose - of reinstating Imlie's true place in the T family. Do not get me wrong, I agree that the approach to all this could have been done in a much better way but knowing Imlie, she may have not relented even after knowing that Malini was pregnant, which would have made things worse with people blaming Imlie for sending a pregnant woman to jail. Also, it was possible that AC would've spun the whole thing to make Malini look innocent, rather than now where despite everything, no one wants to forgive her for what she did. So I feel that is why Imlie and I still have bharosa in her SM.

- Adi shutting the window against the storm is a foreshadowing of how he will be the one who finally ends things with Malini. Till that does not happen, this saga is not going to end, no matter how much Imlie tries from her end. Malini's delusions and her hopes have to be crushed by Adi only. The day that hapens is when that loop will finally be closed.

- On barabari ka rishta - Sorry to say, but here both have faltered at one point or the other to hold up this relationship. Funny part was that just after this promise, Imlie had asked Adi to get back with Malini because she assumed he only pitied Imlie. After that also, Imlie kept fighting against the establishing a true husband and wife relationship for the longest time. This is the same girl who after the barabari wala vachan had threatened Adi that if KC was not in Malini's life, she will not be in his. Then the hard work, effort and mehnat was done by Adi to maintain and hold on to their relationship, despite everything. Even after the truth reveal, the guy tried his best in every way possible to reinforce that Imlie is is wife and his choice for a life partner. That jaap is the only reason that PT and now Aparna are accepting her place in the T family and in Adi's life. While now the guys has faltered and is not the most ideal partner, but we have to remember that at one point it was because of his vishwaas and his efforts that they actually do have this relationship today. We are seeing Imlie's efforts to hold on today, but are convinently willing to forget the efforts he has made in the past to get to this point in their relationship today. I still say, if it wasn't for Adi, Imlie would have happily been fine to live her life with just the thoughts of ADI and never come to know the true meaning of being in a married relationship with another person. Yes she is suffering right now, but somewhere I feel they will overcome this as well.

Again, these are my 2 cents. You are welcome to agree or disagree.

Originally posted by: PPak

As I said on the other thread - lovely post Chintaji.

The makers are intentionally playing this 2 ways....Adi is playing a game vs. Adi is still clueless about Malini.

Bringing so many tracks that are not closed logically - makes it seem like they may bring everything together...but Imlie creatives also have the habit of leaving things open and not closing them.

At this point we have discussed a lot on expressions etc. - while I see and consider these inconsistencies, these are debatable given GM's interview. My main point of reference always goes back to foreshadowing. If the integrity of that is not maintained in a show, then no point following with such zeal a show. The enjoyment in watching a show is not just watching whatever they show you day in and day out - but in trying to see and follow along the path of the story the makers are taking you along through logic, characterization and storyline. Some points below

Imlie putting Sita Maiya in Adi's room

- so her protection was not enough for Adi to be safe from Malini's plot? Far from protecting she actually had a front row seat to the act of Malini raping Adi? Gross! What a reward for Imlie who claims she is blessed by SM? In spite of Imlie pro-actively placing her in Adi's room - in her presence all this happened. Imlie should discontinue her delusion. Or is SM's protection is limited to Adilie being able to get back together even after she allowed such an act to happen? Really...no point in Imlie believing in her ever again. Imlie was also sure truth would win in court. SM was no help to her there as well. SM's reputation is in tatters right now.

Adi closing window of room during the storm - when Malini started all this planning with fake suicide attempt.

- I have firmly held that this meant Adi would finally expose Malini's kaands and so far nothing happening in this regard. How much further will Adi wait to do anything at all. Saying Imlie is my wife over and over again is useless. I get that he is a victim...but until when? This track has been extended for so long.

Barabari ka ristha

- where is that? I can see they love each other very much and support each other equally as well. Pain and abuse - with Adi's rape - is intent all of T's abuse, Adi's initial abuse equalized? In terms of fighting for truth - while Adi claims to be the flag bearer of truth - he has failed to establish it over and again to Imlie's disadvantage. For a while now - Imlie has been handling everything single handedly from an emotional aspect. Adi has not once asked Imlie - how is she holding up. Shouldnt he be going to her holding her comforting her through all this? Instead - 6 feet distance drama with date discussion is going on. . If pregnancy drama is allowed to continue and Imlie continued to be insulted and at a disadvantage - I see no barabari ka rishta here.

Let's see what this week unfolds.

Thank you PP ji ❤️

Regarding your points,

- Sm's help was always instant when either of these asked for it. But she was silent when they were going against her will. Best example is adini wedding. She gives them time to figure it out. But I'm sure nothing happened on her watch. They will not give that scene otherwise.

- Window Closing task is still pending like aps ji said. He is the one who should be doing it.

- Barabari ka rishta again like aps ji said, Adi was far more patient than Imlie when she was doing dd jaap. I'm not disregarding her patience despite his dhoka but here she knows he loves her and promised barabari ka saath. Adi started fighting when he didn't know if Imlie could ever accept him. He was fighting multiple battles then. But through all this, both have grown to be each other's anchors.

The other points, I see your frustration and it is rightful because Adi is making mistakes. But it is the way he fixes them that brings justification to his character. Let's have some patience and bharosa on AKT. No other way to maneuver through this stressful track.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Okay, while I get your anger PPak, going to put some controversial counters to the above:

- SM still has not lost her reputation, as Imlie has always asked SM to ensure that Malini is shown the right way. While I am still in team #nothinghappened, I still feel that SM being there was to ensure that after all this Adi is atleast made aware that what happened that night was not his fault. Her purpose of being there was to put the seed of doubt in Adi's head about his best friend, which was successful to a large extent. SM could nit give Imlie the win in court, coz tagt would have not solved Imlie's purpose - of reinstating Imlie's true place in the T family. Do not get me wrong, I agree that the approach to all this could have been done in a much better way but knowing Imlie, she may have not relented even after knowing that Malini was pregnant, which would have made things worse with people blaming Imlie for sending a pregnant woman to jail. Also, it was possible that AC would've spun the whole thing to make Malini look innocent, rather than now where despite everything, no one wants to forgive her for what she did. So I feel that is why Imlie and I still have bharosa in her SM.

- Adi shutting the window against the storm is a foreshadowing of how he will be the one who finally ends things with Malini. Till that does not happen, this saga is not going to end, no matter how much Imlie tries from her end. Malini's delusions and her hopes have to be crushed by Adi only. The day that hapens is when that loop will finally be closed.

- On barabari ka rishta - Sorry to say, but here both have faltered at one point or the other to hold up this relationship. Funny part was that just after this promise, Imlie had asked Adi to get back with Malini because she assumed he only pitied Imlie. After that also, Imlie kept fighting against the establishing a true husband and wife relationship for the longest time. This is the same girl who after the barabari wala vachan had threatened Adi that if KC was not in Malini's life, she will not be in his. Then the hard work, effort and mehnat was done by Adi to maintain and hold on to their relationship, despite everything. Even after the truth reveal, the guy tried his best in every way possible to reinforce that Imlie is is wife and his choice for a life partner. That jaap is the only reason that PT and now Aparna are accepting her place in the T family and in Adi's life. While now the guys has faltered and is not the most ideal partner, but we have to remember that at one point it was because of his vishwaas and his efforts that they actually do have this relationship today. We are seeing Imlie's efforts to hold on today, but are convinently willing to forget the efforts he has made in the past to get to this point in their relationship today. I still say, if it wasn't for Adi, Imlie would have happily been fine to live her life with just the thoughts of ADI and never come to know the true meaning of being in a married relationship with another person. Yes she is suffering right now, but somewhere I feel they will overcome this as well.

Again, these are my 2 cents. You are welcome to agree or disagree.

Thanks Apsvenky - I got your points - and most of them are based on projections based on what you project or decipher and not what is explicitly shown on screen.

Not all viewers sit and analyse what degree of protection SM offered. I am looking at it through a simple viewers perspective..protection implies keeping safe from harm, to me, and not awareness of right vs. wrong and adjucation of blame. That's how I see it and how I expressed it...but to your point agree other discerning viewers can view it with more detail.

Imlie win in court would have proved M guilty, A innocent and more importantly shown that truth will have accountability, integrity is everything, and not made a joke of the legal system with silly excuses that don't make sense (Anu's self confession). If folks saw the video in court and then still bought Anu's theory after court ruling - 🤢 no point in debating illogical things. If T's did not accept her after that - Imlie would never be happy with such a sorry bunch who preferred a molestor bahu.

Second point - yes Adi will definitely have to close the loop and that symbolism will be honored at long last- my point was its' so long in coming that as I've said before - the room is flooded, Imlie already drenched with abuse, mental turmoil and betrayal before he shuts the window. What really is the point in that.

Barabari ka rishta - thats why I did state that on different points they are admittedly equal which is why I love watching Adilie - but on the aspect of trust and loss - Adi has not matched Imlie in her level of implicit trust from beginning of show (except for one brief Adi cheated during honeymoon phase) and has not been tortured or lost as much as Imlie either. T family and M have spared him and targeted Imlie. No fault of his - but if makers idea of having him being molested his suffering - this has Imlie also suffering more than him based on the relationship messes that were created. I really want to see Adi stepping up and closing this out in a nice hero like fashion. I'm very invested in Adilie and realize the value of both.

And finally Apsvenky, I can see your points - my point is - a show should communicate content and intent simply and nuances should add to the enjoyment of the show. We can assume things are happening a certain way based on what we know of characterization, intent, but until explicitly stated they are all open to interpretation(and the explicit reasoning has not happened)...which has been Imlie (the shows) speciality from the start - keep it ambiguous and let viewers make of this what they will.

So this is just a debate with open exchange and defense of my views..each one sees things differently and thats the beauty of the forum. I'm quite happy for what you've said to be the basis of what's happening. It's just that unless they confirm in dialog - there is no right or wrong here. Both views could be equally plausible.

Originally posted by: Chintapandu

Thank you PP ji ❤️

Regarding your points,

- Sm's help was always instant when either of these asked for it. But she was silent when they were going against her will. Best example is adini wedding. She gives them time to figure it out. But I'm sure nothing happened on her watch. They will not give that scene otherwise.

- Window Closing task is still pending like aps ji said. He is the one who should be doing it.

- Barabari ka rishta again like aps ji said, Adi was far more patient than Imlie when she was doing dd jaap. I'm not disregarding her patience despite his dhoka but here she knows he loves her and promised barabari ka saath. Adi started fighting when he didn't know if Imlie could ever accept him. He was fighting multiple battles then. But through all this, both have grown to be each other's anchors.

The other points, I see your frustration and it is rightful because Adi is making mistakes. But it is the way he fixes them that brings justification to his character. Let's have some patience and bharosa on AKT. No other way to maneuver through this stressful track.

Exactly my point Chinta ji - I am on team no pregnancy more out of belief that they will not show something as stupid as this as opposed to Adi's expressions.

If not - then dragging serious belief's into a show for drama does not reflect well on makers.

So other than adding the drama quotient to the serial, what is the logic behind AKT asking Malini can stay if Imlie allows it?

Can Malini not stay at her place and bake the child? What did he think he cannot fulfil his duty towards said child if she stayed elsewhere?

Ok, if she does stay home (society etc), what does he think will be the long term positioning of Malini in the house where he claims Imlie is the wife?

Well, let’s take it that he has a one track mind and doesn’t think of repercussions, then wouldn’t it again seem logical for him to have a convo with Malini on what he intends to do or doesn’t intend to do? What’s her place in the house?

Well, let’s leave that too because he is worried about her mental state and the delicate darling she is, don’t know what she will do to herself.

What about the rest of the family that is BK(i) couple tying those Dhagas and rituals? He willingly does that because he has a choice to get out of it but no he does it. Yet here we are thinking that at the havan, Imlie will sit with Adi - why? There is no logical derivation you can apply that can make me see what AKT is doing or saying.

Why does he keep looking at Imlie to make decisions time and again? He knows what her response will be. If he is really worried about said child, wouldn’t you want to keep the child away from bad intentions like those of AC? Why would Apu want to go at all? She should be back to hating AC much like when they were sent to prison on the false accusation of domestic violence. It doesn’t make sense that they go to AC house for the well-being of a child. Where is the AKT who kept taunting AC every chance he got be it Pooja or not? The AKT who didn’t want Imlie to be insulted and demeaned and advised her not to go to Chaturvedi’s. Where is the logic here? He is just sitting there with no use for his brain muscles.

@Chintaji in the other post I was talking about the scene after the dance sequence (right after Adi’s terrorist kidnap sequence) wherein AKT explicitly brings divorce proceedings finalization as a topic with Malini because he felt so uncomfortable with her. He never did act on following up with Kunal then. Had he, the truth about the divorce and her intentions would’ve been a bit more clear to AKT because we all think he still had his marbles then.

sorry I don’t know if I am positive or negative or neutral but I am responding.

Originally posted by: krispy

So other than adding the drama quotient to the serial, what is the logic behind AKT asking Malini can stay if Imlie allows it?

Can Malini not stay at her place and bake the child? What did he think he cannot fulfil his duty towards said child if she stayed elsewhere?

Ok, if she does stay home (society etc), what does he think will be the long term positioning of Malini in the house where he claims Imlie is the wife?

Well, let’s take it that he has a one track mind and doesn’t think of repercussions, then wouldn’t it again seem logical for him to have a convo with Malini on what he intends to do or doesn’t intend to do? What’s her place in the house?

Well, let’s leave that too because he is worried about her mental state and the delicate darling she is, don’t know what she will do to herself.

What about the rest of the family that is BK(i) couple tying those Dhagas and rituals? He willingly does that because he has a choice to get out of it but no he does it. Yet here we are thinking that at the havan, Imlie will sit with Adi - why? There is no logical derivation you can apply that can make me see what AKT is doing or saying.


@Chintaji in the other post I was talking about the scene after the dance sequence (right after Adi’s terrorist kidnap sequence) wherein AKT explicitly brings divorce proceedings finalization as a topic with Malini because he felt so uncomfortable with her. He never did act on following up with Kunal then. Had he, the truth about the divorce and her intentions would’ve been a bit more clear to AKT because we all think he still had his marbles then.

sorry I don’t know if I am positive or negative or neutral but I am responding.

All valid points...these are based on contrivances that cannot be answered logically for sake of drama and pushed under the rug...until the next part of the episode exposes more info. Until they are ready to answer these questions - they will continue to ignore. This week should give a clue how they will proceed - Adi actually working behind scenes on kidnapping, Malini truth etc? Will Dev do anything? What suddenly happened to Mithi? Malini asthma attack leads to what? Imlie's question on her role in Adi's baby's life? What will Imlie do with info that Malini intentionally cancelled Adilie date...? Do we get a Adilie dance in pooja or they were just practising in BTS? What is Nishant going to do for Adi that may bring a smile to Imlie's face? Will AC and MC get exposed and punished at all?

Long drawn out pooja means some heavy duty scenes like what we got for table thod shadi.

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