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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettypri

You have expressed it all brilliantly...agree with you word for word.

Love is irrational and so when we find true love cannot be determined. No rules govern it either.

And it's true that first love leading to a happily ever after is the truth of very few lives...many do move on from broken relationships and severe disillusionment and find their happily ever after.

Specific to this story I love how you have explained things from Sahirs POV. Right now what he is feeling is human...the need for love and comfort after being in a very painful situation probably not of his own making for so many years. What is right or wrong will be made clear as the story goes on but as it stands empathising with his situation is not very difficult.

Beautiful post once again 😊


Thank you :) - I was afraid I was going to offend people but I am glad that is not the case :)
And yes I agree - Sahir is someone whose behaviour I understand - don't agree with the whipping and all, but understand the motives behind it. Thanks again for your kind words.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soaps1

What is right and what is wrong it differs in every situation ... and there is only so much pain that a human being can take ... a breaking point comes and mostly it comes when the shell we have build around ourselves breaks ... Arzoo has broken that shell ... and whatever is happening is inevitable ... passing judgement on morals and handing out immorality certificates i feel its too soon for that and far fetched ... First of all so far Sahir and arzoo have done nothing that comes under the category of romance or adultery ... hugging for comfort is not romance ... let the story reveal and then people can decide whether he is right or wrong ... passing a judgement without knowing the story is too soon


I agree with your post ... love no one has control over ... specially when one has been without it for so long ... living a life of nothing but pain and isolation


Thanks :) You are right. Everything is so subjective and passing judgement is almost a cruel act... necessary sometimes but cruel nonetheless. I love the way the story is building up - showing their need for comfort and solace from each other. Love is still a far off emotion... though Sahir is definitely headed that way. And this being fiction, so is Arzoo, but I love how unawares she is so far about the impact she is having on Sahir. There is such a child-like openness to her character. Thanks again :).
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Excellent post. Very well analysed and articulately written too!👏

If I have to put on different hats and consider this situation, here's what I would say

- the idealist in me (the person I was in my school, and had just discovered what I thought was love) thought :
-Romance and LOve was all about spending time together.
-Wanting to do things for each other all the time.
-Wanting to ignore anything and everything else for the person you love.
-Public display of affection.
-looking at the future as a couple who thinks they are unbeatable and unmatched.
-wanting to be in each other's thoughts all the time

This idealist would have been disappointed looking at Sahir, because I wouldn't want my husband to ever betray me, especially when I was bed-ridden. Wasn't marriage supposed to be in sickness and in health and all that ???

- the current me (the idealist now changed to a calmer, more experienced version of the school-girl): Still wants everything the idealist wanted 😳.

BUT has an understanding that having all those things doesn't necessarily mean there is love. and lacking any of these (in frequency or intensity) does not mean there is no love.

This current me sympathises with Sahir and starts wondering what the wife/Zeenat (or I) would have done if she were in Sahir's place. The current me roots for Sahir to move on and start looking for happiness again.
The current me does feel extremely bad for the wife who's in a coma, and know how much complicated the situation would get if she resurfaces in his new life. BUT she would still want Sahir to be happy. No point in 2 people being in a coma. One literally, and one figuratively.



- the TV Viewer in me (the jaded cynic 😆 as I like to think of myself some times) knows that the woman lying in a coma will be shown to be a 'negative' person. Mostly to justify that Sahir was right in falling in love with Aarzoo.
The jaded cynic knows that Zeenat will come back into their lives only to make Sahir feel more guilty for 'betraying' her. And like you said, I just hope its tastefully handled on the show.

PS: I am also a recent fan of HC and was so awed by his performance that I had to run to Youtube and binge watch some of his earlier work 😳 and Shivya is growing on me to, each day 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lovely post 👏 couldn' agree more 😃
In any relationship both parties have to work hard to keep it alive and life is unpredictable, you get both the good and the bad, it's how you deal with the situation around it defines who you are and what you can be capable of.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@TM great post and I like your choice of words tht you have per say used in the context of sahir ..

Aptly said that there are diff couples who have a diff life altogether and no one couple is similar to the other ..and ONLY n ONLY the one who experiences the pain has a right to judge how n wht he or she wants ...

Having said tht sahir TILL date has been shown to be a man who is firmly grounded to his roots and has been given an upbringing tht makes him RESPECT women n I hence refuse to believe tht he will lead ARZOO on when there would be hope for Zeenat to get back to him ...

I strongly believe there is much more than wht meets the eye ..n his having feelings for ARZOO or even being attracted to her HAS to be a trigger to the fact tht Zeenat n his relation might not have been very intimate one or to say a happy one atleast ...which can be on account of anything ,,

STILL the man punishes himself cos he feels he is attracted to ARZOO which could be wrong

N hence I want to see wht the Cvs have planned n see how this goes

Also I know the PH makes good show's n I for one will wait for this to unfold

Cheers

Edited by ecrivain - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very well explained! It is a complex issue indeed.

Affairs of the heart cannot be predicted. But I feel that we do not lead our lives just based on emotions; but also with responsibility towards loved ones in our life. That responsibility also falls under the umbrella of integrity.

Here, Sahir miya is hell bent on keeping it all a secret. Worse still he is shown as hitting himself- so regressive. It is like doping yourself and then cutting your wrists. Borders on mental instability. In affairs of heart; one has to beware of unstable people.

Btw, welcome to the forum. Hoping to read more thought provoking posts from you.

Edited by altuphalu - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#17
Bang on post 👏 well thought through and beautifully framed !
All i want to see how strong the makers are going to unfold Sahir's past because that is something which is going to justify the now well portrayed character of Sahir Azeem Chaudary - ! Fingers crossd I am keeping my hopes high 😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you for this post, Junoonian. Brilliantly written and much needed point of view. It hasn't just been here but even elsewhere I've seen when a character shows the slightest bit of attraction for another while still in a relationship (even though it's only in name) they are termed as characterless or immoral when they don't even act out on those impulses. The matters of the heart are far more complex and subjective than being black or white, right or wrong. In real life you do come across stories of people who met their soul mates while being married or in a relationship with other people and over here Sahir's wife has been in a coma for 7 years and from what we know so far it doesn't seem to be the most loving or successful of marriages. Plus he seems to have taken a lot of pains to guard his heart and deny all joy & other emotions from affecting him so far. And now after all this time finally someone cracks through that shell and he himself is left confused at the feelings Aarzoo elicits in him and severely punishes himself for it. Like you said, you can never predict when love enters your life but all that matters is how you handle yourself in such a situation. And from what we've seen so far of Sahir he has been honorable hence will do right by both Zeenat as well as Aarzoo.

Of course it remains to be seen whether the makers/CVs will do right by these characters and their story. However it turns out this track has definitely piqued my interest again in this show.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: always_a_TV_fan

Excellent post. Very well analysed and articulately written too!👏

If I have to put on different hats and consider this situation, here's what I would say

- the idealist in me (the person I was in my school, and had just discovered what I thought was love) thought :
-Romance and LOve was all about spending time together.
-Wanting to do things for each other all the time.
-Wanting to ignore anything and everything else for the person you love.
-Public display of affection.
-looking at the future as a couple who thinks they are unbeatable and unmatched.
-wanting to be in each other's thoughts all the time

This idealist would have been disappointed looking at Sahir, because I wouldn't want my husband to ever betray me, especially when I was bed-ridden. Wasn't marriage supposed to be in sickness and in health and all that ???

- the current me (the idealist now changed to a calmer, more experienced version of the school-girl): Still wants everything the idealist wanted 😳.

BUT has an understanding that having all those things doesn't necessarily mean there is love. and lacking any of these (in frequency or intensity) does not mean there is no love.

This current me sympathises with Sahir and starts wondering what the wife/Zeenat (or I) would have done if she were in Sahir's place. The current me roots for Sahir to move on and start looking for happiness again.
The current me does feel extremely bad for the wife who's in a coma, and know how much complicated the situation would get if she resurfaces in his new life. BUT she would still want Sahir to be happy. No point in 2 people being in a coma. One literally, and one figuratively.



- the TV Viewer in me (the jaded cynic 😆 as I like to think of myself some times) knows that the woman lying in a coma will be shown to be a 'negative' person. Mostly to justify that Sahir was right in falling in love with Aarzoo.
The jaded cynic knows that Zeenat will come back into their lives only to make Sahir feel more guilty for 'betraying' her. And like you said, I just hope its tastefully handled on the show.

PS: I am also a recent fan of HC and was so awed by his performance that I had to run to Youtube and binge watch some of his earlier work 😳 and Shivya is growing on me to, each day 😊


To the idealist in you, the current you and the jaded TV viewing cynic in you - thank you :)
I really wonder how they are going to portray the whole Sahir-Zeenat equation!
Did he ever love her? Did she love him ever? How did she break his heart and trust so badly that he has become this bitter shell of a person? Will she still be in love with him now? Aaargghhh... I wish this was a novel - I could read fast and get to the end of it and know what has happened. :)

I haven't got around to watching any other serials of Harshad Chopra. Humsafars is enough of an emotional roller-coaster ride :).
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Posted: 11 years ago
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the way u've put forth sahir's POV is simply brilliant...
u know...love is something that just happens...u just have no control over it...
ppl spend all their lives living like a "happily married couple"...but if u just notice them a bit more deeply...u realise...its more of an obligation they are trying to portray...its not love actually...

very few ppl in this world r blessed with someone whom they actually love...and someone who loves them back in the same manner...

all other so called perfect relationships in this world r a farce...obligations that ppl r forced to live with..be it for family...children...husband...wife...etc...

sahir...is a person...who has lived in that relationship...a relationship which has marred both his past and present...he's hurt...he's broken...and if he finds love in aarzoo...there is nothing immoral or wrong in it...

he has been betrayed in life...he needs somebody to hold him...to help him gather the pieces of him...and move on...


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