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Originally posted by: AllThingsNice
@bold-1: You know Saumya, whenever Heema would come up with something believable about the way Lahorewali would behave, I would be petrified. Like I was telling Walden yesterday, its just as well that she is inconsistent otherwise I would have had serious trouble believing that this is HD. 😆 Oh yes, Kanan I was a bit confused about what you meant yesterday. Heema thought LW had expressive aphasia. Its a semi-believable diagnosis but I think Heema is just giving the creatives too much credit! LW has the same disorder that all Indian tele show and movie pagals have 😆 There must be a name for it. And Saumya, yeah I wish Heema was here to enlighten us with her diagnostic skills- I'd love to know what personality disorder she thinks Zaara has.
@bold-2: This reminds me of my pucca promise. Which lasted exactly one day. 😒 I think, in addition to the CVs, I am hopeless. For not being able to let go. This nonsense is doing well as far as TRPs go. I share Rati's confusion...
Originally posted by: _saumya_
About the increased trps, I am not really confused. I very well know that rati has a fan following who would religiously watch the show in such circumstances for her performance rather than the story line. She is underestimating her fans. And it is indeed for rati that the show is still going on. I don't mean to hurt anyone, I don't mean that sumit is not an excellent actor, all I mean is its only die to rati's fans who follow her without fail that the show is working. Not a lot of tv actors have that sort of fan following.
Interesting discussion...more interesting than the episode. I'll add my 2 cents. I think there are certainly brand actors and non-brand actors (acting abilities not being relevant to inclusion in either group) and Rati has definitely positioned herself to be a brand actor. That's hard to do let alone for a woman and let alone in the television world. Once you become a brand actor, you certainly guarantee yourself a minimum amount of viewership, no matter what the quality of the project is. But this leads me to question Saumya's proposition. If Rati fanatics will watch no matter what and that is what is contributing to a major portion of the TRP's, don't you think this would actually be liberating for Illa Bedi and the creatives to try something innovative rather than sticking to the same old ghisa pita tracks to attract viewers? This, as you mention later on, is a fault of the limited imagination of the writers and the production house. They can exploit the talent that they have hired and are using to get eyeballs (almost every actor in HD...not only the leads), but just don't know how to!
Personally speaking, I think once an actor becomes a brand actor, the characters they portray somewhere lose the authenticity, genuineness, and truthfulness that they may have otherwise had. That's not to say that it can't be done (I think people like Vidya Balan and Aamir Khan attempt to separate out the brand from the actor in their work) but it requires chosing the right kind of project and right kind of storyline. This is what I meant when I said that choices matter. What is it that I want my name to be associated with? But then, the fact is that one does not know how a show or a film will turn out ultimately. I think HD has definitely been successful in propagating RP as a brand, but I think it has failed miserably in creating an authentic character. Maybe this is what RP was looking for and in that case the show has worked for her. But if she was looking to actually create an authentic character, then the show has failed her big time. This, I think, is where the show really failed. And not just the leads...in my opinion, every character and actor has been shortchanged. A show needs its supporting cast just as much as the lead pair but not a single character has been developed to any extent. She also expects us to believe that mothers like Kutumb (her character does not have a single redeeming feature) exist. This is the one big flaw that cannot really be overlooked. That's why we laugh at the show instead of taking away something from it.Regarding Sumit, he is definitely a non-brand actor and I hope he keeps it that way. I don't know why but I think its easier for me to relate to his character because I never think of SV, the actor, when I'm watching him onscreen. Actually, I would really like to watch him in something else. Now that his portrayal of Rishi is so stuck in my head, I really want to know and see whether he can create another character in the same manner...with the little nuances and his own personal touch where even if I know that he has played Rishi here, he convinces me that he is some other character. That would be awesome 😊 Personally, I don't watch a show or a movie for a particular actor (though their presence may intially draw me into the project) and I find it commendable when actors can make me forget the actor behind the character Same with me...I had not watched either Rati or Sumit before this, and so, I arrived with a blank mind. And anyway, the story holds me more than anything, but in that department, HD is sadness personified. (not sure if that makes any sense..so I'll stop rambling now).
that's one reason I had to think twice before writing this. I am a sumit fan too, don't forget that. And its not about you di! Its not about a fan but a fan base. Like Walden said, rati has established her name as a brand actor and sumit is not and that's how we like him. And its not that we don't contribute to the trp but from my point of view its because of rati pursuing variety of roles in the show at the moment has led to higher trps, we all know that the track sucks. Its a hypothesis and wasn't meant to hurt anyone.Originally posted by: Ranjinikishan
yes yes only rati fans are watching HD without fail & sumit fans are only for name sake..they must come & argue but does not watch HD..only rati has fans, sumit has no fans at all..only rati fans are contributing for HD trp. We sumit fans are good for nothing.Btw i 100% dont agree with your post..next time dont underestimate sv fans like this..we have shown what we are during his kidnapping track & ILa is very well aware of rishi's presence from that period onwards
but also managed to show a bidaai. Rishi's@bold: Rishi's bidaai 🤣🤣🤣 He is indeed the bahu of SN. So nice of his sasural to think of getting him married a 2nd time...progressive people indeed 🤣
But why, oh why did they have to turn Zara negative. First person on this show to finally realize that her or Rishi's life purpose is not to serve the besharma's and that there is a world outside SN. CV's think about it...you still have time...turn her positive...I'll forget about Savita 🤣
It's the third time, Walden. Indira, Shweta, Zara...
On the bahu part, the way he was seeking blessings and taking his leave from the besharma family, I really thought "iski doli kahan hai?" 🤣 Didn't write it because it did not sound good to my own ears...and here, you bring it out!
Originally posted by: _saumya_
that's one reason I had to think twice before writing this. I am a sumit fan too, don't forget that. And its not about you di! Its not about a fan but a fan base. Like Walden said, rati has established her name as a brand actor and sumit is not and that's how we like him. And its not that we don't contribute to the trp but from my point of view its because of rati pursuing variety of roles in the show at the moment has led to higher trps, we all know that the track sucks. Its a hypothesis and wasn't meant to hurt anyone.
Originally posted by: Ranjinikishan
yes yes only rati fans are watching HD without fail & sumit fans are only for name sake..they just come & argue but does not watch HD..only rati has fans, sumit has no fans at all..only rati fans are contributing for HD trp. We sumit fans are good for nothing.Btw i 100% dont agree with your post..next time dont underestimate sv fans like this..we have shown what we are during his kidnapping track & ILa is very well aware of rishi's presence from that period onwards
Ranjiniji, Saumya is only saying that Rati's fan base is larger. Which it is. Sumit has fans and though the number of fans might be increasing, what brought people to the show was Rati's name. Sumit/Rishi or his contribution to HD are not being belittled. Please understand.
Originally posted by: Ranjinikishan
yes yes only rati fans are watching HD without fail & sumit fans are only for name sake..they just come & argue but does not watch HD..only rati has fans, sumit has no fans at all..only rati fans are contributing for HD trp. We sumit fans are good for nothing.Btw i 100% dont agree with your post..next time dont underestimate sv fans like this..we have shown what we are during his kidnapping track & ILa is very well aware of rishi's presence from that period onwards
Originally posted by: Ranjinikishan
yes yes only rati fans are watching HD without fail & sumit fans are only for name sake..they just come & argue but does not watch HD..only rati has fans, sumit has no fans at all..only rati fans are contributing for HD trp. We sumit fans are good for nothing.Btw i 100% dont agree with your post..next time dont underestimate sv fans like this..we have shown what we are during his kidnapping track & ILa is very well aware of rishi's presence from that period onwards