Discussion of the Week - Fawkes - Page 2

Here goes what I think-

Well, I think while Dumbledore and Harry were facing Draco and others here, Fawkes was somewhere watching over someone on Dumby's orders so that they could get some info about the Horcruxes which could be revealed in the final book.

Maybe b'coz Dumby knew that he's going to die( Or fake his death), he didnt need fawkes over here or if he's really dead he might have wanted Fawkes to help Harry out with the Horcruxes while he's not around and so Fawkes was somewhere else.

Fawkes' tears have an amazing healing power so maybe he'll help Harry survive in his final battle against Voldemort. Also Harry and Lord V's wands have Fawkes feather. Being related, the wands shouldnot be used against each other but if used that way, maybe the fact that Fawkes is on Harry's side wilh have some significance in turning things to favour Harry's position in the final battle,

We can only guess though 😊

fawkes is SIGNIFICANT in CAPITAL letters... i'm very sure he has a very important role to play in book 7...
interestingly, fawkes didn't turn up to save dumbledore when snape was about to kill him, or for that matter, even when draco had him at wandpoint... maybe fawkes can only turn up if he has a prior warning... i guess that's what albusdumbledore was trying to say?

but then, just for the sake of a healthy argument: i don't think fawkes had ANY kind of warning before he came to harry's rescue in the chamber of secrets, but he came nevertheless, and ALSO brought the sorting hat with him... it's not just mindless instinct that draws THIS bird to save his friends, but he obviously has a mind of his own... he actually brought the sorting hat with him... but you might, as a counter - argument, say that dumbledore might have known previously that harry was going to SOMEHOW try and save ginny, and then prepared fawkes for it... but that's a BIT farfetched na?

is it also possible, that fawkes, being very close to dumby, would know some things that would be terribly vital to Harry... because we all know that voldemort, when he gives FULL REIN to his evil can wreak such havoc... that even harry, with his awesome determination, and spur-of-the-moment-brilliance-and-spellwork cannot even dream of... dumby has left harry at a quite RAW stage... he is not even HALF prepared to face voldemort and his legions of minions...

plus, as somebody posted in an article from the net, harry (thought he saw) saw a phoenix erupt from the flames that enveloped dumbledore's body at the funeral... i suppose fawkes had some very important work to do on dumbledore's orders...

I agree with albusdumbledore about Fawkes having to have a significent warning before knowing that there is danger. And, since he had no warning whatsoever when Dumbledore was in trouble that night, so he couldn't come to their rescue..

[Quote=sugar bun]but you might, as a counter - argument, say that dumbledore might have known previously that harry was going to SOMEHOW try and save ginny, and then prepared fawkes for it... but that's a BIT farfetched na?[/Quote]

Dumbledore had been tricked on going to the Ministry that night, and as soon as he went there he knew that something was wrong.. And, then he told Fawkes to have a look on what's going on... But, I don't see how he could do that.. Maybe he and Fawkes had some sort of "connection" so they could "talk" through their minds... But then, one might argue, if that's the case then why didn't Dumbledore call him when he was about to die.. Well, assuming that Snape is in the good side, Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him so that Snape wouldn't die (Unbreakeble Vow) and so that Voldemort could trust Snape more.. So, he knew that if Fawkes came that he would be able o save him, so he didn't call upon him..

[Quote=sugar bun]plus, as somebody posted in an article from the net, harry (thought he saw) saw a phoenix erupt from the flames that enveloped dumbledore's body at the funeral... i suppose fawkes had some very important work to do on dumbledore's orders...[/Quote]

Yes, I agree with you. Fawkes probably might have somthing important to do on Dumbledore's orders... And, I think that instead of saving Harry in the fight against Voldemort (I think Harry will die in the 7th book, so) he will help Harry find the Horcrux.. He might have probably set off at the end of the sixth to find some.. Fawkes will definitely have a very importaant role in the last book.

now these posts definately make me feel good. now I really think we're having a discussion.

[quote=sugar bun]but then, just for the sake of a healthy argument: i don't think fawkes had ANY kind of warning before he came to harry's rescue in the chamber of secrets, but he came nevertheless, and ALSO brought the sorting hat with him... it's not just mindless instinct that draws THIS bird to save his friends, but he obviously has a mind of his own... he actually brought the sorting hat with him... but you might, as a counter - argument, say that dumbledore might have known previously that harry was going to SOMEHOW try and save ginny, and then prepared fawkes for it... but that's a BIT farfetched na?[/quote]

I think dumby knew more about Harry than Harry himself did. I mean about his feelings for ppl n stuff. So I think it is fairly possible that he might have known that Harry the good samatarian that he is would surely try to go into the chamber.... lets not forget the fact that Ginny at that time was Ron's sister for Harry maybe nothing more... so still he'd go rite.

regards,

tejas

Originally posted by: achal

I agree with albusdumbledore about Fawkes having to have a significent warning before knowing that there is danger. And, since he had no warning whatsoever when Dumbledore was in trouble that night, so he couldn't come to their rescue..

[Quote=sugar bun]but you might, as a counter - argument, say that dumbledore might have known previously that harry was going to SOMEHOW try and save ginny, and then prepared fawkes for it... but that's a BIT farfetched na?[/Quote]

Dumbledore had been tricked on going to the Ministry that night, and as soon as he went there he knew that something was wrong.. And, then he told Fawkes to have a look on what's going on... But, I don't see how he could do that.. Maybe he and Fawkes had some sort of "connection" so they could "talk" through their minds... But then, one might argue, if that's the case then why didn't Dumbledore call him when he was about to die.. Well, assuming that Snape is in the good side, Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him so that Snape wouldn't die (Unbreakeble Vow) and so that Voldemort could trust Snape more.. So, he knew that if Fawkes came that he would be able o save him, so he didn't call upon him..

[Quote=sugar bun]plus, as somebody posted in an article from the net, harry (thought he saw) saw a phoenix erupt from the flames that enveloped dumbledore's body at the funeral... i suppose fawkes had some very important work to do on dumbledore's orders...[/Quote]

Yes, I agree with you. Fawkes probably might have somthing important to do on Dumbledore's orders... And, I think that instead of saving Harry in the fight against Voldemort (I think Harry will die in the 7th book, so) he will help Harry find the Horcrux.. He might have probably set off at the end of the sixth to find some.. Fawkes will definitely have a very importaant role in the last book.

i agree with all of u....... 😊

isnt there suppose to be new one now, can it be about neville plz, cos i think that in the 7th book they will show exactly why the sorting hat put him in gryffindo, because i think theres more to it, than just wot happened at the ministry, dont u? 😳

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regards,

tejas

Hey, I suggest The discusiion of the Week is :The Trio! 😊

Originally posted by: goth princess

isnt there suppose to be new one now, can it be about neville plz, cos i think that in the 7th book they will show exactly why the sorting hat put him in gryffindo, because i think theres more to it, than just wot happened at the ministry, dont u? 😳

ahem ahem

Originally posted by: goth princess

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yes harooj... i think so too..neways neville is imp in HP there is loads bout him.. and ya as JKR told LONGGGGG time back tht dean is also her fav maybe she'll write sumthing bout him too