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Posted: 13 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: JZephyr

Piu - the coin toss, the tuntuna, the ludo, the jhadu, the chulha(?), the indirect imli, how can I forget champa 😆... the instances of being unique in this show have been innumerable! They've really raken their minds to come up with situations and chances to create the 'magic' without being cliche. GK are unique in every implicit sense of the word.

Jzee yes those were unique and something special..Only if we could forget the random..elaichi toffee scene..Rest was sheer brilliance.Normally Girl meets boy for the first time with cliche trip and Fall ,or duppatta flying or silly eyelocks..But I mean Look at this.Brilliant is the word👏



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Posted: 13 years ago
#32
nice post my goodness wat a coincident great minds think alike it seems 😆
guyz i done vm on gk on this same
check this out n let me know ur pov
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/gulaal/1773748/new-gulsar-vm-she-is-fire-16-1-see-pg1
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/gulaal/1776327/new-vm-on-gulaal-and-kesar-juda-hoke-bhi
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33
@Jzee/Reemz: I definitely feel that NB's come a long way from his first scene in the show too...in the first few epis, you do get a sense of him still searching for his rhythm with the character, but you can literally see him growing from strength to strength with each epi and ultimately by May end onwards...I'd say he really settled into the role more comfortably...and by the end toh he outdid himself many times over.


@Jzee: Personally I wasn't very bowled over by his entry scene...lol...the 'blah blah' as you rightly termed it with Dushyant wasn't that impressive...that's what I mean when I say he was yet to be settled in...I feel like things got better as he met each person in the family...the scene with PB as you both mentioned was fab...ahh I miss the old PB too...ofcourse it's interesting that it was in his first scene with MP that I feel that he was the most impressive out of the intro scenes...maybe it helps that GK alone have SO much history to them...it sets them apart...something different came into his eyes in that scene only.

And later on as the show progressed and he actually gradually starts to realize and comprehend what he feels for Gulaal, his feelings become clearer and so does NB's portrayal of them...it's like he himself started to understand Kesar better with each new layer too.

Ahh yes, even I thought about that a while back while watching the scene...Talli saw him first but HE saw Gulaal first as Jzee pointed out...lol...and that's all that really matters...:P


@Reemz: Oh thanks so much! I made a bunch of stuff in a nostalgia fit...couldn't resist while rewatching the scene...

I love this bit where he just exhales as he watches her:


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Posted: 13 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: JZephyr

But the point is, to Kesar - she is not a new face. And she's not a grand physical difference. Still the emotion in his eyes is reflective of her own - while she blatantly goes into her appraisal of him - an exception to her now new self which has learned to hold back and be drawn within - he instead is the case of bursting and stuffing the surge of emotions!

To me, the second her eyes start brimming in this fond and prideful approval of his first impression, his own wall momentarily falls because it just has to mean the world to him - what his Gulaal thinks of him. And as happens in some later to come scenes too, Kesar in this rebellious phase is still transiently very much moved by the slightest show of pride Gulaal holds in him. In a strange way, its the one thing he has always been deprived of - the one thing that only Gulaal and Vasant have shown in him - a sense of pride. And while from Vasant it has been more like an idol or a mentor in his elder brother - getting this attest from Gulaal each time, is like his motivation to become better... even when all he wants to do is hurt her, cut her open, he can't help but give the greatest damn of all, to what she thinks! @bold: LOVE how you put this, Jzee!👏👏👏...you've described it so beautifully! It's one of the many fascinating paradoxes about Kesar in this phase when he first returns...He has so much anger, so much hurt, so many questions inside him...all of which technically make him want to lash out at her, hurt HER, cut her open as you said...and yet it will ALWAYS matter to him what Gulaal thinks, what Gulaal wants...two words sum it up..."aur tu"...even if he thinks he says them tauntingly or sarcastically as we will see in the scene tomorrow, but the actual undercurrent is always one of yearning...what does SHE think? That thought is what his world revolves around.


Of course, the Duggu FB has to come in and interfere - as it will continue to for quite the while for now - but its interesting again to notice, how when Gulaal pulls off her tune apni Gulaal se muh pher liya... he is fighting to bring the cold face back. There's almost a momentary counter accusation in his eyes, and he does spell his counter accusation for her - although technically, that is not his grudge against her, really. And yet it is! Haha! LOL well caught! Yes I noticed that too...yes there's a brief note of counter accusation in his eyes...the cold mask slips...and the genius is ofcourse that he can't really tell her WHY he feels so...Gulaal is busy listing out her grievances and he himself can't tell the complaints HE has...but it shows in his eyes and slips out a bit with the 'kyun? tere kehne pe hi toh mujhe MB ne boarding bheja tha na"...the irony ofcourse is that this is the misconception that Gulaal has had all these years and he just fuels it again by saying this when the real reason is something else...this is just a small grievance in the larger scheme of things...again I'll say I saw a parallel to the last scene when they both go through this motion again...Gulaal sulkily telling him ki woh humesha apni manmaani karta hai and Kesar replying ki woh bhi toh kabhi seedha jawaab nahin deti😆...Aww I miss them!


He's such a cute and funny guy (okay I know inapt adjectives for his angry mode but really!) his base of base trouble is feeling betrayed by Gulaal, and not being convinced about it even in a damn decade. But his secondary trouble - and yes that bothers him although it doesn't get precedence - is being distanced from her... a decision he has taken for the two them, even as a child, but a distance that hurts him no less - in fighting it, in living it! Exactly...he doesn't give much credence to this portion of his hurt because he feels that this was brought on by the first reason naa...the betrayal...but actually that distance hurts him despite the fact that he was the one to stretch it out for so many years...paradoxes again *sigh*

The coin toss is every bit 'charged' as Reemz calls it. Kitna nautanki hai ye banda - Gullu and he have both seen the coin fall flat in his hand, and then he shows her the crisply balanced adha adha stance of it 😆 You know the one thing I've always liked about Kesar's coin tosses is how he always bids the 'right' decision on seedha side of the coin. Without fail. How does it go, that cliche saying about a coin toss - when in dilemma toss a coin, not to see which side falls face up, but to realize which side you wish it will be, when the coin is still in air?! - Its like Kesar always knows what he wants the coin to tell him - and what he wants is always bid on the seedha side! Almost as 'fair' as the SHolay sikka, if you ask me 😆 LOL totally! I'm reminded of the famous Sholay sikka too which is more useful in just giving in to your REAL demand rather than making a "decision" for you...Kesar always bends the coin to his will...and I think the only time he really used it to realize which side he wishes it to be was when he tossed it to know what his feelings for Gulaal are.

Finally that tid bit from Nur's current avi - I'm so OHMIGOSH over it, there's no saying. Yes Nur, interestingly, its my favorite bit from the scene - although its really closely nearly tied with when he turns around first time to her whispered Kesar (which btw is not the last time we hear his name sound like that coming from her!) the last look is pretty classic - its a warning, a promise... and almost an assurance too, everything in one. A warning of more to come, an assurance of I'm back and real ... and an promise of I'm here to stay ... the promise and assurance are adha adha in intention. Very grey at that - the positivity and negativity of his character at its classic clash - but what a moment it is Well summed up, Jzee! Exactly! It's a grey look...with just SO much in it! definitely a hint of a warning...some dangerous undertones I also thought...a promise of just something that I can't even describe properly...!

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Posted: 13 years ago
#35
OMG thanks for the thread. I was missing NB badly. I hope this thread goes as long as NB start coming in another show. Will be closely following this thread. I love the way you guys analyze everything :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36
@Jzee, Reemz , Nur brilliant concept👏 were missing you all and your analysis like anything.
Its always nice to re watch, reanalyze that was once very dear to us. But with Gulaal, every time when you go and watch even a single scene (esp GK scenes) each time there will be some thing to unfold yet, and thus we get a whole new perspective to view it and thus for several times.
I am not sure that is there any other tv show (indian) which is worth to get such an opportunity. Thanks a lot. Hope you shall continue
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37
Great going you guys..Awesome post JZ! Nur fab work with the avis and siggies and caps!..complete treat.. ⭐️

Random personal note...just got back from a math class with probability as lesson for the day.. with the famous probability of a coin toss example! 😆...talk about trying to shift focus from GK and being made to continuously grin in class..lol..

Anyway to Gulaal...LOVED that scene more so when I watch it now...scrutinizing every little action...I love how Kesar just doesn't say a word...he's taking it all in...like Nur says its all in the eyes.. while Gulaal is unable to contain her emotions...the sheer happiness to see her Kesar back to where he belongs...

The FB's that they show is interesting...normally we would assume Gulaal to have FB's of him as a young kid and now grown up...but instead here it is Kesar reminiscing about his Gulaal...it's like him comparing how she was with him earlier.. the old Gulaal and how hes still seeing that Gulaal right now..there is a match ..but then he's reminded of the talk of murder...and he believes what he's seeing right now is all a facade..

Loved the bit where shes telling him to never try this joke again...there is a slight sternness in her voice..and he just let's it be for the moment...it's like a cold war situation...

Oh yea the bg score when he turns to look at her the first time...like Reemz said...just sets the tempo for the scene...and actually makes you all excited!..

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nur and Maz - yes, Kesar is the not talking version in this first scene. I think all his energy and attention is invested in pulling off the precarious balancing act between 'gauging the situation' and 'being overwhelmed'. I also think Gulaal doesn't get flashbacks exactly, because she is still looking at the Kesar of a decade ago - only one who is another physical image. She's not really comparing and contrasting here - she's just totally swept in this moment of her first sight and delight of seeing him after a decade! Kesar on the other hand has walked out of a decade of building a wall, to walk into this one glimpse of her which brings back crashing memories of the Gulaal he is trying to bury beneath the version he has tried to concoct inside his head! He's looking at her, but all he can see is his Gulaal. The difference jumps at him when the Duggu FB interjects, and the reflection in his eyes begins to harden. The enormity of his paradox, where he doesn't question himself over why he is fighting his heart's first and absolute conviction at this first sight of her after a decade. Over why, this woman he has 'hated' for a decade took one moment to melt him like butter on a flame! Why his carefully erected brick by brick wall was so weak to collapse in a jiffy! No. His dilemma has been between conflicting opinions, but he doesn't really ask himself why the conflict exists to begin with - why and what should it stem from! It makes me think of the pondside confrontation, where Gulaal asks him if he trusts her, and he says what if he doesn't, to which she replies - fir to baat hi khatam hogayi na Kesar, fir tere ye sawaal kyun! fir to tu mere jawaab par bhi bharosa nahi kar payega...

The doubt in his mind, has never been about his trust in Gulaal - it has always been about his mistrust in her. He's never had trouble 'trusting' her, his trouble stems from convincing himself to not trust this woman his heart attests in a beat, and every beat!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Maz.



Loved the bit where shes telling him to never try this joke again...there is a slight sternness in her voice..and he just let's it be for the moment...it's like a cold war situation...



Yeah that sternness is so Gulaal...it's part of their dynamics...and what's interesting to me there is that he actually smiles almost INDULGENTLY and lets it be...almost in irony in some ways...as if he is bemused that she is actually saying this to him after all that she's done...that's the glint in his eyes...but the smile is more genuine even as there is a hint of irony in it...the way she says, "you know me more than myself...don't ever joke like this again" and he must be thinking..."Do I? Do I know everything about you like I always thought I did?"...There are questions within the layers also and that is what is expressed in every nuance in his eyes, his body language.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you for your grumbles mumbles whatever 😃but enjoyed it very much.

I quite agree with you that the race to see Kesar first between Gulaal and Talli is not the actual race but to whom Kesar will lay his eyes on first is the actual race here so Gulaal wins the race.😃 Between Gulaal and Talli, Gulaal entered his life first and has been his first priority ever since. 😎 I was really angry at Talli for running behind Kesar like bull and not giving up, ignoring so many ill signs that she will loose the race somehow.😡😡

The NB and MP are such exceptional actors to create their surrounding charged with mere variation in their facial expressions on their first counter after decade. Charged is the most suitable word you and Reemz has found. By the way who is positive and who is negative? 😉 No wonder we are so hooked to the serial to this date. 🤢 I too loved his last look whereby he gave last glance to Gulaal as a warning, promising or something else. There is so much going in that look that it is impossible to fathom for simple viewer like me even if i watch it again again. 😕

But I really love the Gulaal's last line on that scene whereby she says that " Ristey ki sachhai ek sikke ki uchhal pe nirvar nahi hoti, use samjh ne ke liye man ki uddan varni padti hai, main janti hun tu mere man ko mujhse jyada samajh ta hai, isiliye aaj ke bad yesa majhak vi mat karna"👏

This line sums up all the story of Gulsar. Kesar is not able to understand the reason behind Gulaal's silence and saving Dushyant back. So he is taking help of coins to decide who is right and who is wrong is the sign of immaturity. Gulaal has seen his immaturity and asked not to depend on the coin but see the real reasons behind acts to value the relationship.

Lastly, Gulaal is so right to say that Kesar knows her better than herself which comes true in later in their life where Kesar's understands her feelings at even slight change in her expression. Kudos to CVs that they had planned all this dialogues beforehand that makes sense when we watch all the episodes. 👏

Waiting for your next update. 😃

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