A Bleak Future?

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Disclaimer: I have no idea why I'm making a post today - because I almost wasn't going to 😔For obvious reasons. But anyway...

What a let down sequence of events after all the hopes we were (at least I was) pinning on today's episode. I did wonder, with regard to Gulaal's series of flashback memories when she sat in a corner in that room, that maybe the CVs are trying to make a counter point, by not going exactly the way they went with Kesar - cause we, and most viewers are likely to imagine that would happen.

But even if this was a means of being non-cliche - the episode was just too full of dashed hopes.

I don't want to talk about it though. What I am wondering at this point, is what exactly could change this messy situation? I really thought until yesterday, that we could bank on the start of cracks in Gulaal's hard surface today. But I doubt that hope is going anyhow upscale, after today, and more so after the PRECAP. So what are the possibilities?

(I'm putting down my ideas atm - feel free to discuss, reject, add)

1) The last scene between Dushy and Raman was like an indication of the remaining dark chapter to create chaos soon enough. No one knows what Gulaal knows, because even though Kesar knows the fact - he sure isn't privy to every gory detail (including her self justified reasons of forgiving Dushyant) of the matter. I wonder, just wonder, if the resurfacing of this issue can bring back the fire in Kesar, which he had returned with from a decade at the boarding? God knows he can do with some of that avatar just now. I'm so miffed with his giving in left right center to Gulaal - that I can actually imagine the treat it will be to watch him play rough and cold with her again. I suppose the snappy Kesar does after all deal with Gulaal much better (not to mention effectively) than the sappy one.

2) I'm a little worried about this line of thought. I know we all assume its GK in the end. But are we sure? This isn't going to become a Talli-Kesar and Dushyant-Gulaal parallel track series anytime, is it? Sorry for the pessimism - today was just sad :| And every time she jumps at Kesar's throat I wonder when she will relent. Then she goes out and behaves so civilly with Dushyant, it just appalls me! In a single sentence today, she let the man off every hook - aap khud ko doshi mat thehraiye! In the name of devil - this is the man who widowed her - which was the inception of all the chaos we see today; this was the man for who's lusty love she was compelled into the deeyarvattu scenario - so really, her deeyarvattu with Kesar, despite being her own decision was a majburi as she told JK yesterday, and who was responsible?! Not Kesar, but Dushyant; finally, this is the man who gave Panchayat decision in Kesar's favor (yes I know we can all forgive him a thousand sins for that) but how can Gulaal?! This man is single handedly responsible for nearly every twist of fate in her life, and she tells him to not hold himself responsible?! Dude! He could live the life of him in penance and not pay off enough - but the way she's going atm, she could very well join him in Hell's fire 😡 I'm not even taking into account Kesar's misery here - plainly as a matter between Dushyant and Gulaal - what kind of a hypocrite is this woman to forgive this man... and tell Kesar he's unforgivable?!
I honestly no longer think this is about forgiving Kesar - this is purely her fear. With every new drastic step Kesar takes - and wins - Gulaal is mortified of how far he can go to break her precious shell. The funniest part is - or should I say the most ridiculous irony - that the easiest way to tame Kesar, is to simply be docile and civil with him. At this point, all he wants is peaceful co-existence with her. How hard is that? He doesn't chose to be impossible, she's driving him to it - time and again. It's just plain wrong. Phew. I am more than miffed I suppose.

3) Here's one last shot. Anyone think that if Kesar just gave up - in every sense - and told her he had set her free, and she could go back, or live in the house, or be wherever she wanted, however she wanted without feeling obligated to Panchayat's decision, or for him - it would work? Perhaps - just perhaps, he will give up and propose calling the deeyarvattu off. Anyone think that will work? I don't how though. But still - at this point, her life is in a billion tangles because of his one zidd she presumes. If he did set her free - question is, what next for her? She can't be in that house, she might go back to her own - but what's the point .. she won't really know what next. Because last time she left the house - she had an aim - the aim was to avoid Kesar. What now?! It's like the time she told Kesar she had lost, and that she gave up and wo do nothing, and accepted all her decisions and whatnot was wrong, and that he could have his way - she would walk out, and leave his life in peace. Kesar's dilemma had been the same. He realized, he won his debate - but he didn't know what next. He didn't know what he had been fighting the debate for. It's exactly Gulaal's current predicament. She's fighting with Kesar every moment, to prove her point - but if he truly accepts defeat and backs off, does she know what she will do ahead? Does she even know why she's fighting him in the first place? To bring her back to this house? Which btw, is all she has to her life? It's not anybody's but Gulaal's own doing that she has no life or existence outside of this family and the house. Kesar has fought with her, and the world, to give it back to her, with due rights. What will she do when she beats him at it, loses what he gave her in the wake? It's one of the biggest questions she hasn't dealt with - among a billion others. But well.

My side for now. I'm trying to focus on thinking ahead, because just thinking about today is downright sad.

Jump right in to rant - because everyone wants to today - don't you? 😳

ps: Changed color. How apt is 'blue'?!

xx
JZee
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey JZee
You know despite what ppl think of how Gulaal is with D, it took her ages to get back to being civil with the man, and not throw taunts at him... D and Gulaal reached a point where they stand today, we all know D is the main man for Vasant not being here, Gulaal knows it but she isnt the one to keep throwing that back esp what point they have reached, otherwise if she did she would go pagal.. and like D says Gulaal has done alot for this house, that one will never know how much and also how she lives with the truth concealed
Gulaal knows that maybe everythign that is happening to her she deserves to some point, and she lets some of her steam off at Kesar, coz Kesar is the one who is doing the actually forcing and so on... and also seeing its Kesar, she will let her anger and so on out at him and being harsh, something Kesar was kinda doing when he came back
Maybe just maybe Kesar could say i give up now, you live your life, i will live my life - maybe no forcing and no attention from Kesar will be want she wants, but for how long and another thing you said getting the fire and intensity back in Kesar, which is lacking with the Raman V D thing, and so on, no doubt i see Raman stirring again and filling Kesar head with some things...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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JZee, Thank You dear .That was really,really sweet and kind of you. Love this blue.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I don't know if I can justify Gulaal's preferential forgiving treatment Len. I know she's had time with D, but tackling D should always have been 10X harder than tackling Kesar. She knows Kesar - she knows the way to deal with him is not to put a foot down and declare him wrong - the least he needs is explanation for being wrong, and she owes him one big time. In fact, she of all the people owes him a thousand explanations - including why she's been shielding Dushyant for so many years. She has her reasons, but Kesar is not a mind reader!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Res...
I dunno why am bothering...but still lemme try to vent out what I want!

~EDITED~

WARNING: Can't bear to see Gulaal's image being assassinated? STAY AWAY from ma post! It will disturb you and am in no mood to give back cool-headed replies!

JZEE I saw yer prescription too late...Damage was already done!😆


I am disappointed?
Hell yah.
I was expecting Gulaal to melt so soon?
Hell no...I even made a post how the precap looked COLD.
Then if I already had a bad feeling regarding the episode I shudn't be majorly pissed off at the episode coz I expected that sort of an outcome...
Well yeah...but I am!


I alread posted sumthing on Srush's post...I'll just add that here and then add more to ma frustration!

I just have one question...

Killing a lyf = getting a chance to start all over again, da blunder not made public, forgiveness to a certain extent

Confessing love = receiving inhumanely rude treatment, being burdened with guilt at watever happens, told not the behave immature and childish, accused of having a "rapist's" thought process, ruining someone's life, committing a "PAAP", not caring about other's "bhavnaein", being cut off and treated like street dawg...

Is that fair?
I never wanted to hit Gulaal under the belt but...today's episode literally jarred watever sympathy and pity I had for her...

Action : Dushyant literally "KILLs" VASANTH...
Person harmed : Vasanth
Verdict : Forgiven and given a second chance

Action : Loving your brother's widow who happens to be older to you and is your wife, Bringing her back to the house against her wishes
Person Harmed : Gulaal...her wishes were trespassed
Verdict : Treated like a flea-stricken puppy who gets to be kicked around


In these two cases...the one major point of difference in...PERSON HARMED...One was Gulaal's VASANTH...second was Gulaal...and the penalty on both accounts vary...

The second one being far more than the first...
LOGICAL REASON...Gulaal is dearer to herself than Vasanth!!!


Now...dun even bother trying to explain me how great Gulaal's love for Vasanth is...and yada yada yada ...
(Quoting Arshad Warsi's dialogue :Tumhara pyar pyar...aur mera pyar SEX? *Pallo did a mild change...replaced ishq with pyar*
"Its PAAP"
"Its CRAP"
Oops u r mistaken "Its AIDS")


If Kesar is immature...PLZ I BEG TO KNOW...FROM WHICH ANGLE IS GULAAL...DA EPITOME OF MATURITY???

A child loves to write.
She has a pen which she treasure above all. But its a one tym use pen...cant be re-filled.
Papa comes and gives her another pen to write.
She refuses that...she will not write with nething but her fav. pen (in which the ink is over incidentally)
Inspite of Papa warning that she'll be punished for not doing homework the child refuses to use a new pen.

I'm sure by now you would have got what I'm getting at...
No am not trying to tell you that Gulaal should immediately accept Kesar and start writing love poems about him in her diary...
I'm trying to put across a point. GULAAL TOO IS IMMATURE

Up for another example?

Someone snatches your fav. doll from you...
U sulk, u fret u avoid the person...and blame them for making u cry

Sounds familiar??
Yeah...That's our very "wow-mature" Gulaal and the doll is her "marzi"


Doesn't sound childish to you? I guess I shud get an appointment for an ear check up...cause it sound superlatively childish to me!


Kesar tends to make everything about himself?
And who ever said Gulaal wasn't the most experienced one in that department?
MY VASANTH
MY promise to him
MY family
MY work
MY marzi
MY wishes
MY forgiveness
MY pure intentions
MY Talli's dreams
MY promise to Sudha Bhabhi
MY feelings
MY choices
ME being blamed
What utter bullshit!!! Where is selflessness gushing forth in ne of these???

Gulaal is not gonna crack netym soon?
Oh firstly whoever is talking abt Gulaal melting totally? (credit our sanity) Most of us know its gonna be a long way to go to get them both laughing and teasing each other or having music amplified eyelocks...
According to me...there is no perfect time for being humane...


Kesar is hurting his loved ones?
Ooo and Gulaal is dying for the nation on da border na? Pushing Talli to do things...overlooking the fact that it may be causing her torment and giving her no healing space (I choose to overlook Talli's outpouring love and claims that she wants to continue loving Kesar)
If Kesar is resorting to "fallen, cheap n degraded" means to get Gulaal to be nice to him...Gulaal is pushing Talli constantly at Kesar...subjecting her to a heartburn in the process of trying to remain immune to Kesar.


If Kesar wants that Gulaal keeps hovering around him...
Excuse Me! Gulaal wants the the whole world to hover around her...Atleast Kesar ain't being greedy...and limiting himself to one person! She doesn't want to be blamed but she doesn't think twice before blaming Kesar for everything...


I'm done...If Gulaal shouts that Kesar is making life miserable and suffocating for her ...She's doing no less to make him miserable...Both are on equal footing according to me...and I REFUSE TO PUT GULAAL on sum PEDESTAL!!!

And yeah...am really taken aback by Kesar's "zidd" that Gulaal feeds him the food...But neither am I buying Gulaal's harshness...

*phew*

Now everything is out...I just wanna say...Good Bye...I'll be packing off to the hostel on Sunday and will re-surface only after 2 months...and by then I guess Gulsar will be together...or they show may have wrapped up. It was nyc interacting u all...
Am glad I got a thread to vent out whatever I thought.
Take Care...
Will try to watch tonite's episode...but if it gets tooo depressing am not gonna bother coming here...coz I kno I can be effin' rude when I get mad at things.

Edited by livelygal - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

I don't know if I can justify Gulaal's preferential forgiving treatment Len. I know she's had time with D, but tackling D should always have been 10X harder than tackling Kesar. She knows Kesar - she knows the way to deal with him is not to put a foot down and declare him wrong - the least he needs is explanation for being wrong, and she owes him one big time. In fact, she of all the people owes him a thousand explanations - including why she's been shielding Dushyant for so many years. She has her reasons, but Kesar is not a mind reader!

This will all come out at one point... thats all i can say
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr


1) The last scene between Dushy and Raman was like an indication of the remaining dark chapter to create chaos soon enough. No one knows what Gulaal knows, because even though Kesar knows the fact - he sure isn't privy to every gory detail (including her self justified reasons of forgiving Dushyant) of the matter. I wonder, just wonder, if the resurfacing of this issue can bring back the fire in Kesar, which he had returned with from a decade at the boarding? God knows he can do with some of that avatar just now. I'm so miffed with his giving in left right center to Gulaal - that I can actually imagine the treat it will be to watch him play rough and cold with her again. I suppose the snappy Kesar does after all deal with Gulaal much better (not to mention effectively) than the sappy one. Oooh I didn't think of this...I likes I likes😆...anything for that FIRE to be back in Kesar again, man...poor boy has been crying endlessly otherwise since so many days...he could give any daily soap heroine a run for her money...no joke😆


I honestly no longer think this is about forgiving Kesar - this is purely her fear. With every new drastic step Kesar takes - and wins - Gulaal is mortified of how far he can go to break her precious shell. The funniest part is - or should I say the most ridiculous irony - that the easiest way to tame Kesar, is to simply be docile and civil with him. At this point, all he wants is peaceful co-existence with her. How hard is that? He doesn't chose to be impossible, she's driving him to it - time and again. It's just plain wrong. Phew. I am more than miffed I suppose. Excellent point, Jzee...and you're bang on...it really isn't about forgiving Kesar at all...it IS fear...and you know what amazes me...STILL she doesn't realize that when it comes to her, Kesar is FULLY capable of going to any limits...I mean haven't we seen ample evidence many times?😆...Is she like testing how much she can drive him insane?😕😆...@bold: exactly...THAT is the irony...there is such a SIMPLE solution to all this...but she refuses to do so...and it's not even that she has to be docile as in not speak her mind...she just has to be CIVIL...treat him like a human being, atleast...if for nothing else, for the fact those 10 years that you loved and missed him. But no, defense mechanism at work...kya kahein😕


3) Here's one last shot. Anyone think that if Kesar just gave up - in every sense - and told her he had set her free, and she could go back, or live in the house, or be wherever she wanted, however she wanted without feeling obligated to Panchayat's decision, or for him - it would work? Perhaps - just perhaps, he will give up and propose calling the deeyarvattu off. Anyone think that will work? I don't how though. But still - at this point, her life is in a billion tangles because of his one zidd she presumes. If he did set her free - question is, what next for her? She can't be in that house, she might go back to her own - but what's the point .. she won't really know what next. Because last time she left the house - she had an aim - the aim was to avoid Kesar. What now?! It's like the time she told Kesar she had lost, and that she gave up and wo do nothing, and accepted all her decisions and whatnot was wrong, and that he could have his way - she would walk out, and leave his life in peace. Kesar's dilemma had been the same. He realized, he won his debate - but he didn't know what next. He didn't know what he had been fighting the debate for. It's exactly Gulaal's current predicament. She's fighting with Kesar every moment, to prove her point - but if he truly accepts defeat and backs off, does she know what she will do ahead? Does she even know why she's fighting him in the first place? To bring her back to this house? Which btw, is all she has to her life? It's not anybody's but Gulaal's own doing that she has no life or existence outside of this family and the house. Kesar has fought with her, and the world, to give it back to her, with due rights. What will she do when she beats him at it, loses what he gave her in the wake? It's one of the biggest questions she hasn't dealt with - among a billion others. But well. Awesome, Jzee! I totally do think this is the case once again...Gulaal is doing all this in spite to prove some point to him about how she's doing what he wanted...same way he used to taunt her about how he's marrying Talli just like she always wanted him to...but he didn't think long term, and neither has Gulaal...I really do think it would be a big blow to her if he just offered to leave...if we go by the small indication of the scene in the corridor and her reaction to him saying he won't show her his face...

I honestly want someone to yell at Gulaal and tell her to freakin STOP sending food and blankets for Kesar if she doesn't give a damn...Will the Ice Queen have a reply then?


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Jzee*sighs* donno what to say yaar...at least treat this guy as a human being...not as a dog...so disgusted at the precap😡but excellent points yaar👏
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I'll wait you u Pallo - deep breathing prescribed for you till then. And do not stand next to any kind of glass and scream 😆

Ganga - You're welcome, and I kinda like this blue too, I accept. So we're good!

Originally posted by: Lennie

This will all come out at one point... thats all i can say



Len - I'm sure it will come out and sort itself in time. But really, just because things in life eventually resolve for good or bad, we cannot justify all the wrongs that go into making those circumstances so dire. A very simple situation has been extremely ill dealt by both Kesar and Gulaal (but more Gulaal) and it has lead to a new magnified and many dimensional version of what the problem originally was. Of course, if that didn't happen, we wont have a show to watch - but still, how long can a wrong from one person (Kesar and his obstinacy as Gulal perceives it) be used to justify a wrong back (from Gulaal - in the form of her obstinate and cold behavior.) There are other ways to both punish Kesar, and direct him on what she thinks is the right path.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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P.S. Why did they not show Gulaal's reaction to seeing that blanket that Kesar put on her? I mean whenever she woke up, she must have seen it, right? Why was that not shown??

These ppl just want to drive us mad😆

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