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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: nneeiill
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I absolutely loved how you described the emotions of Kesar. It gave me a clear picture of his thoughts. very well written

Thank you so much 😊

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: nneeiill
So what do you think the outcome of Coin Toss was ? They dint showed it purposefully.
I am sure coin favored that he loves Gulaal. Well , love is not the word he has yet used. but am sure it was not the other way round coz it felt like he could get some sleep after the coin result but then all that got shattered in the morning.

He depends on that coin, for the truth and if his faith on the coin is so much then it should not disappoint him and he should of got his answer should be him not wanting to be seperated from her, and not just the coin toss, his feelings and emotions should be telling him this as well

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The sarpanch and meeting will airse questions, and i wont be surprised if one the questions will be, why doesnt he want the deeyavatu to end, even if she always felt she is his wife... that question he has to answer carefully and so on

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ansuya12

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Lennie...again very nice to read your post!!

You know - Kesar is an extremely charismatic character being portrayed by a really talented actor - it is easy to empathize with him. Gulaal however is enigmatic (at the moment she is ) and perhaps the harder role to assay and I am glad they have an equally powerful actor (in ManasiP) to assay it. Your writing always reminds me - no matter how easy it is to be exasperated by Gulaal - we should indeed see things from her point of view and also understand perhaps how her world views are moulded by the boundaries of her village, upbringing and experiences. Post Leap - till now she has only seen the spoilt, rude, agressive and arrogant Kesar. She has also seen the drunk Kesar (it must have brought back the nightmare of Dushyanth's behaviour back to her) who tumbled into her room and the spiteful Kesar who wanted to tyrrannize Talli. Only very rarely has she seen the gentle, affectionate Kesar. I have always mainatined that Kesar represents the best and worst in all of his older brothers and yet is his own person. Till now Gulaal has seen the sides that repel her. Till she is able to see the gentleness and selflessness of Vasanth in Kesar, she will never be able to open her mind or her heart to Kesar. Love has an element of selflessness - and Kesar too has to display that. The precap made me wonder if Talli will teach him that - selflessness - the one quality that Gulaal herself has sought to emulate...

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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: trifolia
Lennie...again very nice to read your post!!

You know - Kesar is an extremely charismatic character being portrayed by a really talented actor - it is easy to empathize with him. Gulaal however is enigmatic (at the moment she is ) and perhaps the harder role to assay and I am glad they have an equally powerful actor (in ManasiP) to assay it. Your writing always reminds me - no matter how easy it is to be exasperated by Gulaal - we should indeed see things from her point of view and also understand perhaps how her world views are moulded by the boundaries of her village, upbringing and experiences. Post Leap - till now she has only seen the spoilt, rude, agressive and arrogant Kesar. She has also seen the drunk Kesar (it must have brought back the nightmare of Dushyanth's behaviour back to her) who tumbled into her room and the spiteful Kesar who wanted to tyrrannize Talli. Only very rarely has she seen the gentle, affectionate Kesar. I have always mainatined that Kesar represents the best and worst in all of his older brothers and yet is his own person. Till now Gulaal has seen the sides that repel her. Till she is able to see the gentleness and selflessness of Vasanth in Kesar, she will never be able to open her mind or her heart to Kesar. Love has an element of selflessness - and Kesar too has to display that. The precap made me wonder if Talli will teach him that - selflessness - the one quality that Gulaal herself has sought to emulate...

Thats it you have nailed it - and that is what is lacking somewhat, that side of Kesar for her to see him in a way, i am pretty sure i said something kinda similarly last week or so - that the way Kesar is going and the way he is in how Gulaal sees him today coz of how he is... she is not gonna, i dont know which word to use - she isnt gonna feel a change in her and let him touch her heart in a gentle way - lifts her heart in a way, something that blushes inside, something kinda like how she did with the imli's...

I most probably said how is she gonna feel more for him, when he is unleashing so much anger and harshness, and possessiveness he displays to her (i know from Kesar's pov its justified in a way but not from how other ppl see it as well, and thats what Gulaal has mostly seen uptil now in a way hasnt she - its very rarely she has seen a gentle calm Kesar hasnt she - a Kesar that shows some sort of selflessness i guess around ppl and spreads some joy etc) and like you say Love - Kesar has alot of love in him which he hasnt put a name to it yet, but he feels so much for her, (and Love - Kesar has is in so many forms that its not just about being physical) but like you say he does need to display a certain gentleness, a selflessness as well, Love is selfless and i believe in that, and that i think covers most of what love really is about and feels and the emotions to it

Thanks so much for seeing what i write about Gulaal, i know most probably do go on about her pov - but her pov is so important coz we have seen her from the start and her journey/pain and the decisions she took and so on, so i cant ever dismiss her (and Manasi is so wonderful in playing Gulaal, it really must be hard to get each and every emotion out as how she plaus Gulaal and also hopefully ppl understand Gulaal as well) - and i dont say much on Kesar's but its there, i always do feel his pain, hurt and anger in him - thats its justified as well (not only that its been highlighted ever since he's come back and Neil plays it so well and brings it out and not only that i think most ppl have started watching after leap would most probably connect to Kesar as such coz his journey has mostly started there on and how much he suffers so much, ppl have mostly not seen Gulaal's journey, her anguish, her dilemma but just heard of it and know what they need to know in order to follow the show and the story i guess, thats why sometimes i guess ppl find it hard to see it from Gulaal pov and how she is, why she is the way she is today and how she lives, in how she has learnt to live or just exist i will say - i mean thats what i think but thats cool, but this show does highlight both Kesar and Gulaal's pov and to underastand it and feel the emotions to it 😊 ), i always say both pov's are right to understand them but you also need to see each other's pov's in how both of them react in front of one another as well...

I am pretty surprised that Sudha is off her head, Gulaal never gave her a promise of a lie, neither Gulaal, Sudha or Talli saw it coming what Kesar would feel for the deeyavatu, for Gulaal and what he feels today as well... and i hope Talli sees this mostly

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praniti

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: trifolia
Lennie...again very nice to read your post!!

You know - Kesar is an extremely charismatic character being portrayed by a really talented actor - it is easy to empathize with him. Gulaal however is enigmatic (at the moment she is ) and perhaps the harder role to assay and I am glad they have an equally powerful actor (in ManasiP) to assay it. Your writing always reminds me - no matter how easy it is to be exasperated by Gulaal - we should indeed see things from her point of view and also understand perhaps how her world views are moulded by the boundaries of her village, upbringing and experiences. Post Leap - till now she has only seen the spoilt, rude, agressive and arrogant Kesar. She has also seen the drunk Kesar (it must have brought back the nightmare of Dushyanth's behaviour back to her) who tumbled into her room and the spiteful Kesar who wanted to tyrrannize Talli. Only very rarely has she seen the gentle, affectionate Kesar. I have always mainatined that Kesar represents the best and worst in all of his older brothers and yet is his own person. Till now Gulaal has seen the sides that repel her. Till she is able to see the gentleness and selflessness of Vasanth in Kesar, she will never be able to open her mind or her heart to Kesar. Love has an element of selflessness - and Kesar too has to display that. The precap made me wonder if Talli will teach him that - selflessness - the one quality that Gulaal herself has sought to emulate...

Well said trifolia. Gulaal seriously needs to see the more softer and vulnerable side of Kesar in order to (at least) get comfortable in his presence.This way maybe then she would open her heart to him someday.

@underlined: I agree that Gulaal would be happy if she would see these qualities of vasant in him...but I really do not want her to expect anything from him apart from being responsible.In other words, I do not want him to be like Vasant was...he has his own identity and traits and I want Gulaal to like him for what he is rather than what he should be.I think he has some very good qualties also, but like you said they are all elusive for Gulaal and us viewers and maybe even to him.

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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: praniti
Well said trifolia. Gulaal seriously needs to see the more softer and vulnerable side of Kesar in order to (at least) get comfortable in his presence.This way maybe then she would open her heart to him someday.

@underlined: I agree that Gulaal would be happy if she would see these qualities of vasant in him...but I really do not want her to expect anything from him apart from being responsible.In other words, I do not want him to be like Vasant was...he has his own identity and traits and I want Gulaal to like him for what he is rather than what he should be.I think he has some very good qualties also, but like you said they are all elusive for Gulaal and us viewers and maybe even to him.

She does need to get somewhat comfortable, they still are not i guess in totally settled with one another - its very rarely that Gulaal has been with Kesar who is settled and calm

I dont think anyone expects him to be fully Vasant esp not Gulaal i will say (she only wants to see him be responsible and family main man), i mean for them it would nice to see Kesar carry some traits that Vasant had, coz Vasant was the ideal son and person in so many ways

Kesar has some qualites that are good - he is a good person, the Kesar qualities he has, the Kesar she knows and everyone knows isnt lost anywhere - he is still there, but buried so deep with what he goes through, Kesar cant ever be Vasant, not that its a bad thing or shouldnt be but the fact is Kesar is his own person, his own identity and much more complex then Vasant was.

But it would be so nice to see his display of gentleness, something that would touch your heart, that she needs as well and to feel as well.

Kesar naughtiness, gentleness, mischeifness - all the laid back qualites and so on

As for Kesar, i guess he needs to settle down in himself, will make him feel better atleast and for that there needs to be - a certain settleness all around in the family and esp between him and Gulaal, also which will not keep their relationship stuck on one spot which it has done over the weeks and so on, and get back some sort of comfortableness atleast

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surithy

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Lennie and Praniti-Can we really do the blaming game in this show? Like Lennie always says we should see this show in every character's pov. For me there is no clear cut right and wrong.

Kesar is right in his pov, and because we the audience see his inner turmoil so much that we feel for him too, and that Neil man makes it even more difficult for us to get hold of our self. As a child he was brought into it, and he learned to live with it but never understood the real meaning to it. His thinking is so clouded with Vasanth's murder, G-D relationship and the deyrvattu, that he never been able to pin point his feelings. He never saw the deyarvattu as an issue, and why not no one really explained anything to him.

For Gulaal her world only revolves around Vasanth, his dream, his wishes, where she is not able to think beyond that, because her intentions are good. And Kesar to her is not so easy to understand after his return, is he? To her he is a man filled with anger, irritation, hatred and so much of negativeness. Forget love, she doesn't even know if he likes her.

For Thalli she was fed with it from childhood and doesn't think so much beyond what she sees. It is a big thing in a village for a wedding to break up. That is why Suda is concerned about Thalli's image and honour. Although she had lot of clues before the marriage thing.

JK-she doesn't know about V murder, as a mother and a character with a grey shade, she voices her opinion in a bitter way.

Poonamba-as a mother it is like a last chance to save her daughter's life. She doesn't wish ill of Thalli, it is just her daughter's life she is worried about.

Can anyone tell me why MB didn't break the deyarvattu when he found out about it? I forgot.

We see Kesar on one side and the rest of the family on the other because no one knows Kesar except us the audience, not even him. And the family knows in and out of Gulaal's intention that is why everyone is asking questions to Kesar.

In my personal experience with this show, whenever I ween or whine about something, I get the detailed explanation in the following episodes. The CV's are so clever and detailed in this show that I often feel embarrassed of my posts. That is the uniqueness of this show. The show gives us clue as to the next track but never the way we all predict. We need a lot of brain digging in this show too.

Sorry for the long post. Just my random thought.

MB-K-convo- was fabulous, what a father should do and how.

Lennie-I am really tired of praising ur post and running out of words so now on it is just a mutual understading, that I adore ur post wether I tell u or not. deal?

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Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: trifolia
Lennie...again very nice to read your post!!

You know - Kesar is an extremely charismatic character being portrayed by a really talented actor - it is easy to empathize with him. Gulaal however is enigmatic (at the moment she is ) and perhaps the harder role to assay and I am glad they have an equally powerful actor (in ManasiP) to assay it. Your writing always reminds me - no matter how easy it is to be exasperated by Gulaal - we should indeed see things from her point of view and also understand perhaps how her world views are moulded by the boundaries of her village, upbringing and experiences. Post Leap - till now she has only seen the spoilt, rude, agressive and arrogant Kesar. She has also seen the drunk Kesar (it must have brought back the nightmare of Dushyanth's behaviour back to her) who tumbled into her room and the spiteful Kesar who wanted to tyrrannize Talli. Only very rarely has she seen the gentle, affectionate Kesar. I have always mainatined that Kesar represents the best and worst in all of his older brothers and yet is his own person. Till now Gulaal has seen the sides that repel her. Till she is able to see the gentleness and selflessness of Vasanth in Kesar, she will never be able to open her mind or her heart to Kesar. Love has an element of selflessness - and Kesar too has to display that. The precap made me wonder if Talli will teach him that - selflessness - the one quality that Gulaal herself has sought to emulate...

Well said!! I wrote something very similar (AGAIN!!!) in a post a few weeks back! Gulaal used to be an extremely lively and childish girl till Vasant died. After his death she had to grow up beyond her age and take up so many responsibilities...the biggest one being Kesar! Since Vasant's death we have seen a serious, mature Gulaal always sacrificing her happiness to fulfill her responsibilities and yet there is still a child in her (the scene where she was running behind Talli in the forest etc). Gulaal feel in love with Vasant because he was a selfless person who had many dreams for his village and people. I think that quality attracted Gulaal to Vasant the most!! You are right, Kesar does possess the best and worst of his brothers plus he is the youngest in the family and has been pampered by everyone. I feel that Gulaal will start falling for Kesar when she starts seeing some of Vasant's qualities in him. I know he is not Vasant and we love Kesar just the way he is but Gulaal needs to see him as an adult or else he will always remind her of the 12 year old she used to take care of!

I think both Kes and Gul have a long way to go. I can tell that the coin flip must have indicated that he is in love with Gul but he is still very vulnerable emotionally (Raman poisoning his mind against Dush and Gul...YET AGAIN!!). Kes, needs to trust Gul completely and Gul...well Gul just needs to change the way she sees Kes right now...give him a chance and stop pushing Talli on him!

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Anjalg

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Posted: 14 years ago

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"I am pretty surprised that Sudha is off her head, Gulaal never gave her a promise of a lie, neither Gulaal, Sudha or Talli saw it coming what Kesar would feel for the deeyavatu, for Gulaal and what he feels today as well... and i hope Talli sees this mostly"

Lennie, I was wondering the same thing...what is wrong with Sudha? Gulaal did everything she could to get Kes and Talli married. I am sure Sudha did not expect Gulaal to tie a rope around Kes's neck and lead him around to complete the pheras!!!! So where does Sudha get off telling Talli that Gulaal had made false promises?? Talli is such a silly person, she will probably believe Sudha and turn all negative now! So, now whether the deeyarvattu is broken or not Gulaal will have a lot of enemies in the house - Sudha, Raman, Talli, Jamuna and very surprisingly - Paanbha!!

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Posted: 14 years ago

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The thing is that Kesar does have all the qualities that Gulaal could fall for but at the moment his thoughts are so clouded that all his actions come out negatively towards Gulaal. She sees his aggression but not the reason behind it. Once he understands what he truly feels, he can turn this negative energy in to something far more positive. That selfless love is there, we all know he can do anything for Gulaal but she needs to see more of that.

I don't ever want her to think of Vasant when Kesar does something that makes her feel something more. It should be all about Kesar displaying his unconditional love and trust.

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