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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: surithy

Lennie and Praniti-Can we really do the blaming game in this show? Like Lennie always says we should see this show in every character's pov. For me there is no clear cut right and wrong.

Kesar is right in his pov, and because we the audience see his inner turmoil so much that we feel for him too, and that Neil man makes it even more difficult for us to get hold of our self. As a child he was brought into it, and he learned to live with it but never understood the real meaning to it. His thinking is so clouded with Vasanth's murder, G-D relationship and the deyrvattu, that he never been able to pin point his feelings. He never saw the deyarvattu as an issue, and why not no one really explained anything to him.

I agree to everything here, we the audience see this - Kesar's pain and how he lives and inner turmoil - portrayed so wonderfully by Neil, but what exactly has Gulaal seen of Kesar so far - to exactly understand what goes on with him, does Kesar today like her or dislikes her as a person, sees her as a problem
As i said its so rarely Gulaal has seen a nice/calm side to Kesar - if we can count on one hand, it would be about few times, he has spoken calmly and so on to her and ok around her, otherwise its been how he was when he came back, not talking to her and now pure angry and hurt and hurting her, despite her not showing much emotions that he keeps herself closed or takes it in and goes on living

For Gulaal her world only revolves around Vasanth, his dream, his wishes, where she is not able to think beyond that, because her intentions are good. And Kesar to her is not so easy to understand after his return, is he? To her he is a man filled with anger, irritation, hatred and so much of negativeness. Forget love, she doesn't even know if he likes her.

As you said she has lived on Vasant's promises, dreams and to fulfilled them - thats all she knows, and in a way wants but we all know there is that loneliness in her - and times like when she broke down few weeks back - it was then she realises how alone she is, knowing that D has taken something so great away from her. No wonder she also lived with the promise of Talli marriage - so she could fulfill it... even today she admits she was wrong in taking that decision
For Thalli she was fed with it from childhood and doesn't think so much beyond what she sees. It is a big thing in a village for a wedding to break up. That is why Suda is concerned about Thalli's image and honour. Although she had lot of clues before the marriage thing.

JK-she doesn't know about V murder, as a mother and a character with a grey shade, she voices her opinion in a bitter way.

Poonamba-as a mother it is like a last chance to save her daughter's life. She doesn't wish ill of Thalli, it is just her daughter's life she is worried about.

Can anyone tell me why MB didn't break the deyarvattu when he found out about it? I forgot.

When MB found about the deeyarvatu, it was at the krishna leela show - i am pretty sure Gulaal not him not to break up, if i am honest the only part of the convo i remember coz it stood out to me was when MB says to her when Krishna/Radha grow up - what will happen to Rukhmani
We see Kesar on one side and the rest of the family on the other because no one knows Kesar except us the audience, not even him. And the family knows in and out of Gulaal's intention that is why everyone is asking questions to Kesar.

In my personal experience with this show, whenever I ween or whine about something, I get the detailed explanation in the following episodes. The CV's are so clever and detailed in this show that I often feel embarrassed of my posts. That is the uniqueness of this show. The show gives us clue as to the next track but never the way we all predict. We need a lot of brain digging in this show too.

Exactly, with this show - you do get a detailed explanation later on, and how scenes connect later on and so on and yes alot of brain digging, this show just makes you think and think
Sorry for the long post. Just my random thought.

MB-K-convo- was fabulous, what a father should do and how.

Yep the father and son convo was good, its exactly how MB should of been, to the point - what is it that he wants, coz its now time to decide coz not only will his decision affect him but everyone else and it should be done with careful consideration, its up to him... and MB is trying to get what exactly Kesar is wanting, ok he sees this deeyarvatu as real - ok we get that,but in the long run what does Kesar want from it, where does it see it heading, and why does he want to keep it tied around him
I bet thats the same questions and thinking most in the family will have esp Gulaal
Lennie-I am really tired of praising ur post and running out of words so now on it is just a mutual understading, that I adore ur post wether I tell u or not. deal? Thanks so much, it means alot - and yes deal 😊

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Posted: 14 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Anjalg

"I am pretty surprised that Sudha is off her head, Gulaal never gave her a promise of a lie, neither Gulaal, Sudha or Talli saw it coming what Kesar would feel for the deeyavatu, for Gulaal and what he feels today as well... and i hope Talli sees this mostly"



Lennie, I was wondering the same thing...what is wrong with Sudha? Gulaal did everything she could to get Kes and Talli married. I am sure Sudha did not expect Gulaal to tie a rope around Kes's neck and lead him around to complete the pheras!!!! So where does Sudha get off telling Talli that Gulaal had made false promises?? Talli is such a silly person, she will probably believe Sudha and turn all negative now! So, now whether the deeyarvattu is broken or not Gulaal will have a lot of enemies in the house - Sudha, Raman, Talli, Jamuna and very surprisingly - Paanbha!!
Sudha went abit OTT telling her that Gulaal made a false promise, ok i get that Sudha is hurt and everything but Sidha saw everything that went down, she saw and heard what Kesar said, and he even said it would be so wrong of him to go through this marriage and make a vachan that holds no value to him... he sees this deeyarvatu, he in a way wants it - he even apologised to Talli that it was his mistake and he shouldnt of accepted - and i think at the point Kesar in simple words said what he had to say to Talli, sorry and so on
Talli knows Gulaal and if she does then she knows Gulaal meant no harm and malice in what she did and how things today are different and so on

Originally posted by: Anjalg



Well said!! I wrote something very similar (AGAIN!!!) in a post a few weeks back! Gulaal used to be an extremely lively and childish girl till Vasant died. After his death she had to grow up beyond her age and take up so many responsibilities...the biggest one being Kesar! Since Vasant's death we have seen a serious, mature Gulaal always sacrificing her happiness to fulfill her responsibilities and yet there is still a child in her (the scene where she was running behind Talli in the forest etc). Gulaal feel in love with Vasant because he was a selfless person who had many dreams for his village and people. I think that quality attracted Gulaal to Vasant the most!! You are right, Kesar does possess the best and worst of his brothers plus he is the youngest in the family and has been pampered by everyone. I feel that Gulaal will start falling for Kesar when she starts seeing some of Vasant's qualities in him. I know he is not Vasant and we love Kesar just the way he is but Gulaal needs to see him as an adult or else he will always remind her of the 12 year old she used to take care of!

I think both Kes and Gul have a long way to go. I can tell that the coin flip must have indicated that he is in love with Gul but he is still very vulnerable emotionally (Raman poisoning his mind against Dush and Gul...YET AGAIN!!). Kes, needs to trust Gul completely and Gul...well Gul just needs to change the way she sees Kes right now...give him a chance and stop pushing Talli on him!

Gulaal basically just needs to see qualities that a man should have really, and no its not just Vasant - i am sure any man who is like Vasant, a good man, an ideal man will have the qualities that a woman likes and sees and Kesar is Kesar, he has his own way of loving Gulaal and that its intense, his main priority is Gulaal - forget everything else, she is the core to everything
And Gulaal constantly sees Kesar in anger and either with her, with Talli or even with the whole family at times...
I very much agree that both Kesar-Gulaal have a long way to go and to understand each other as well and get on a right foot with each other, and on the same wavelength

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Posted: 14 years ago
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surithy, Reemz, Anjalg - thanks for the on-going discussion - so we all agree on everything which as been said in how Gulaal should see Kesar and how Kesar should be
Honestly agree with everything lol
I agree with you Reemz, i know i mentioned that he needs to show Selflessness i do believe his love has selflessness but in another sense, like you he can do anything and everything for Gulaal, he is somewhat destroyed in love for her... that he will endured anything for her, remember when i said once Kesar finally figures out that he is in love with her, we have to see a change in Kesar's demeanor, and how he is around Gulaal... and you have mentioned something like that
You know Gulaal is closed off, her emotions are all holded in - and like she said she has learnt to live like this and carry on and doing what she has beeing doing all these years... exist more like i guess
You know it somewhat reminds me of what Rani said in Baabul, that its impossible for her to ever fall in love again, she hasnt got it in her and to get married again, but its her FIL that explains to her that life doesnt stop its for living and so on, and then John Abraham;s character said basically said he knows what she is saying but he has so much love to give, and will love that his love will be enough for both of them and so on, and he also said Love has no time limit and he would wait 7 lifetimes for her and on, esp as she asked for some time to adjust to this new relation and what she is about to enter
MB and Gulaal remind me of the FIL and DIL in Baabul, for the FIL, the DIL became a daughter and even more precious and loved her even more when they lost their son,
Like Angalg says it very hard to see esp for Gulaal to feel more when Kesar is behaving like this, in all the things she has mentioned and what she has seen of Kesar and so on and not only that it would take alot to even see that Kesar has fallen for her... its something she couldnt deal with it, not even a million years she would of expected it to
Maybe it is time to see the Gulaal's pov now in everything, we have seen Kesar's pov and inner turmoil ever since he came back, maybe it is time to focus on Gulaal's more and how she is... and this could be it with the deeyarvatu challenge back once again
Do you think Piyu Maari will be used on them, its such a Gulaal/Vasant song, or is it just a Gulaal song towards Vasant...
There is one question Kesar asked when he was alone after the whole fiasco at the wedding and what he raised up and so on, and how it must of looked to all as well
Did he do all this coz he hates her and wants to hurt or that he cant bear going away from her... and thats what i say when i say he hasnt fully understood it and its what messed up in him, not the deeyarvatu entirely its everything else and main thing is his feelings for Gulaal
I still say the key to Kesar is those letters, which are his heart and soul, i am surprised Kesar hasnt seeked them out, he usually does... but we all they are there lol
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: prachurya

Gr8 post Lennie...it gave me a different perspective into da whole matter...i was really sad on Gulaal taking it 2 da Panchayat bt now I understand why she wud b doing this, Kesar's words- "Vasanth Bha ki mojdi mere pairon ki zanjeer bangayi" probably triggered this. I think the coin toss made Kesar realise the fear of losing her more dan anything. It was really insensitive of Sudha to say it was Gulaal's jhootha wada, i mean yes she could blame Kesar bt not Gulaal! I have to tell u each and every dialogue of Kesar was really brilliant describing all his inner turmoils - I think Neil just simply rocked da scene- I think most of da viewers including me felt his pains, confusions and inner tumoils.

Lets c wat happens 2de- I personally think the Deeyarvattu will stay and Kesar might confess his feelings towards Gulaal before going to Panchayat so as to say dat come what may- he can neva have ne1 else in his lyf except her.

Thanks
We all feel Kesar's pain and everything, how can we not its been there since he came back and Neil portrays it so well that its hard not to feel it and so on
Sudha was wrong in what she was saying, maybe she said it out in anger and so on - but really can we blame Gulaal, Gulaal never gave her a false promise, but what Kesar said explained alot as well, which she is somewhat failing to see
Exactly, what triggered it was that Kesar in a way was saying, i am tied in these shackles, how could i think about something when i knew i had a deeyarvatu and so on... she knows that this deeyarvatu has no life in it, so she has lets break it officially seeing as Kesar has brought it up and says how could i forget, he is right and she is right as well
It will be interesting to see what goes on at the meeting and what is said, it depends on what Kesar esp if he has given thought to what MB said yesterday and the advice that it was and what it meant
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree, once Kesar has his head sorted and understands what he truly feels for Gulaal, he will be the perfect lover/husband. Like MB provoked Kesar to think WHY he's doing all this, does he really hate Gulaal? Well no. The aggression comes from the immense love he feels for her without realising it.

Lennie, I only listened to Piyu Mhaari properly today and it was on GK scenes and it looks so good on them. Plus they use the 'Piya' on the title montage. It seems more of a song from Gulaal's POV! I really think it would do wonders on Gul-Kes!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I agree, once Kesar has his head sorted and understands what he truly feels for Gulaal, he will be the perfect lover/husband. Like MB provoked Kesar to think WHY he's doing all this, does he really hate Gulaal? Well no. The aggression comes from the immense love he feels for her without realising it.


Lennie, I only listened to Piyu Mhaari properly today and it was on GK scenes and it looks so good on them. Plus they use the 'Piya' on the title montage. It seems more of a song from Gulaal's POV! I really think it would do wonders on Gul-Kes!

Exactly i do expect a certain change in him and so on - its good that all indications on Gulaal knowing that Kesar knows about Vasant's death and somewhat deeyarvatu was suppose to be done with D, that out in the open for her and also and from Kesar's pov despite all that he still remains attached to Gulaal and so on, and still fallen in love...
I guess this should be the phase of Kesar finally getting it and understanding it
Piyu Maari is lovely song - i like the slow version, its so deep, obviously with the same words but slower sung, my fave line is 'Kyun Sukoon Dil Paaye Na, jhalse zameen mann ke..'
Yeah i do hear Piya on the title montage (oh can they change the title montage pic now pls lol) i guess it would be a Gulaal song, but its always seen as G/V scene song esp as she remembers him

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