Cracks in Utopia?

Caution: I tend to write with some wry sarcasm...

So Gulaal is turning Vasanth's dream of a "united we stand" village into a nightmare...In ten years by shutting of emotion, she has shut out all empathy for people - especially the ones she started out loving! Today's episode was creepy - NeilB, did a brilliant job as usual as did ManasiP (it is really not easy to assay the role of an animated yet zombified widow so convincingly). Neil's portrayal of Kesar might give some women an uncomfortable feeling. He is a brilliant actor.

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Yes, I just commented on Lennie's post and I said the same thing..I am not liking this Kesar...he is creeping me out. If CV's want any kind of a love relationship to blossom between Kes and Gul...this is not the way to go about it! As it is, Gul sees Kesar as the 12 year old she sent to boarding school and now he is just giving her these evil double meaning taunts...how on Earth is the Gul Kes romance supposed to move forward like this?

This Talli Kes marriage track is so sudden and now we are informed that the shaadi will happen in1 day???? This is moving way too fast for my liking! I don't know what to say...but I found the last part of the episode way too tense. We need to bring some humor into this situation...bring on Durgesh and his wild drum beating...where is he anyway??

I guess its time Gulaal sit back and think and think on what it means to fuilful Vasant dreams and keeping this family together, what exactly was Vasant's dream for Kesar and so on - i am sure its not utter unhappiness, this is what Gulaal needs to see as well now

Caution: I tend to write with some wry sarcasm...LOL😆 thanks for the warning up ahead, I like to use it too once in a while, not all the time.

So Gulaal is turning Vasanth's dream of a "united we stand" village into a nightmare...In ten years by shutting of emotion, she has shut out all empathy for people - especially the ones she started out loving! Yup how long did she expect to maintain the zombied people around her, I mean Talli, Sudha, Motaba and Panba are all living in a dream like state for years...thanks to Kesar they will all be forced to deal with reality now. Only JK alone in that household speaking the blatant truth was not enough. Today's episode was creepy - NeilB, did a brilliant job as usual as did ManasiP (it is really not easy to assay the role of an animated yet zombified widow so convincingly). Episode creepy...now thats where I disagree, I thought for once it was full of life, twists and turns and exciting like a roller coaster ride, instead of the literallly petting of Talli dearest by Gulaal and listeneing to that silly girl preening away at her face in the mirror, or anymore of Gulaal's morality and adarshvaadi stories. BTW I loved your description of Manasi as a zombified animated widow LOl perfect bang on description. Neil was brilliant, and he always is no doubt on that. This guy is a young and a rough uncut diamond just discovered in this field of acting, imagine what will be the potential of this actor as the years go by when he is polished, he is just a bundle of talent... Neil's portrayal of Kesar might give a lot of women the uncomfortable feeling one gets when encountering the corner stand flasher or the anonymous crowded bus groper. Yipee!!!! now again the disagreeing part,For the first time today I felt Kesar is finally learning to live withhout being overwhelmed by guilt, burden and obligation. Kesar was free he was able to breathe. Corner stand Flasher and a groper, I'm shocked ...you mean to say Kesar is a sleaze bag ?/!!!#? I'm confused... hmmm Im thinking now, was he a groper when he grabbed Gulaal's hand in front of everyone..!!!no not even for one moment, in fact he was teasing and he did that in front of everyone. Only the person who had to understand his real meaning could understand and that was Gulaal and JK LOL (perceptive woman only one who is not zombified by Gulaal). So was it the kitchen scene that you felt Kesar was a groper(shock face)... here he was mad and furious and made sure his intentions clear to Gulaal. Yes he shocked and scared Gulaal out of her wits. But if Kesar was the groper/ flasher kind of guy you know by now he would already have physically pushed himself on Gulaal. You get uncomfortable with a guy when you are not sure of his intentions and if he has lewd looks but Kesar was no such way...he was daring and rebellious and made sure his plan of action was clear to Gulaal. Ahhh !!! I see it is the precap where he sneaks up in gulaal that makes him look groper/flasher...wow Kudos!! to Kesar if he can really do that in front of so many people. I think it is Gulaal who is jumping out of her skin, because she is jittery and scared. LOL . She is like a cat on hot tin roof now and Kesar will keep her on the edge, nothing creepy, gropy about it for me. This charecteization of Kesar has made the show much more interesting I was getting tired of seeing him cry. He is a brilliant actor. Hehehe now that we agree on LOL.😆

Gulaal is the ultimate enabler - enabling selfishness in others. Yet she too has turned into someone who is selfishly in love with her own ideals and promises - at the cost of anothers life. She is blind to the fact that there many who upset by what they see in her puppet drama - the most important one being Kesar himself. She has denied him the right to a choice she made at Kesar's age - that of rejecting a promise made to Durgesh (who was enamoured with her) and his family because she was in love with someone else. 100 % agree

Her not being able to love Kesar, instead living with Vasanth's photo nostalgically pickling imlis in a drawer, is her choice for herself. Sad but so true her choice and she will have to live with it. However she assumes a marriage for a little boy and imposes it on him because it is her promise to a little girl fed on fairy tales! How is this different from child marriage? Not much that is why Motaba says he does not believe that marriage but situation now is different Kesar is grown up and can speak for himself if he wants to continue in that marriage or not.

There are deep cracks that have been created, there people who have been polarised simply because they dont have full disclosure. No dictator, no matter how benevolent and well meaning can foster a healthy community where he/she takes unilateral decisions wherin members do not participate in the decision making process simply because they are never given full disclosure or an opportunity ...maybe this marriage will happen, maybe it wont...but it reminds us that we cannot make promises and choices for others. A free society needs to its people breathe and choose freely.Could not agree more with you and Kesar is on the hunt for that freedom..when he says "Gulaal tu har baar sahi nahin hain." Both Panba and Motaba need to know the truth about Vasant's death ASAP.

Would Vasanth have done the same as Gulaal? I doubt it. He brought Gulaal to Talsagra and let the panch decide the future direction. He refused to elope with Gulaal knowing that it would bring more discord between two warringvillages - he refused to impose his choice. Vasanth's dream could not have been about an unhappy Kesar by imposing somebody as dumb as Talli on him would it?Vasant was more of a rational kind of guy, he would have definitely thought things out more.

The CVs seem headed towards bigamy, a path too well trodden -killing what the current core viewers appreciated about the show -the hope of a Kes-Gul relationship and its evolution. The crutch of bigamy- kabhi sauten-kabhi saheli-kabhi dushman is a tired old nag. But how do you trust a set of CVs who subjected us to that strange nighttime dance of Talli's (as opposed to all those colourful dances by Gulaal and troupe)? Like other members and posters on this forum said Shaadi Mubarak!!!...Oh and please feel free to hit the remote in case we subjected to more insanity... NAAh!! I dont think bigamy track is going to happen here, firstly because Kesar is a grown up and as Motaba said the marriage between Kesar and Gulaal was not valid he was a child then ..tab toh bigamy ka sawaal hi nahin uthega. But for even those viewers who believe in the Deeyarvattu... I dont think Kesar will take the drastic step of marriage...this I would call is a much needed super shock treatment to wake up a very zombified, ziddi Gulaal.(LOL)😆😉

Nice take. I was cracking up reading tall's night dance line.

[Today's episode was creepy - NeilB, did a brilliant job as usual as did ManasiP (it is really not easy to assay the role of an animated yet zombified widow so convincingly). Episode creepy...now thats where I disagree, I thought for once it was full of life, twists and turns and exciting like a roller coaster ride, instead of the literallly petting of Talli dearest by Gulaal and listeneing to that silly girl preening away at her face in the mirror, or anymore of Gulaal's morality and adarshvaadi stories.

Yipee!!!! now again the disagreeing part,For the first time today I felt Kesar is finally learning to live withhout being overwhelmed by guilt, burden and obligation. Kesar was free he was able to breathe. Corner stand Flasher and a groper, I'm shocked ...you mean to say Kesar is a sleaze bag ?/!!!#? I'm confused... hmmm Im thinking now, was he a groper when he grabbed Gulaal's hand in front of everyone..!!!no not even for one moment, in fact he was teasing and he did that in front of everyone. Only the person who had to understand his real meaning could understand and that was Gulaal and JK LOL (perceptive woman only one who is not zombified by Gulaal)...

Ahhh !!! I see it is the precap where he sneaks up in gulaal that makes him look groper/flasher...wow Kudos!! to Kesar if he can really do

that in front of so many people. I think it is Gulaal who is jumping out of her skin, because she is jittery and scared. LOL . She is like a cat on hot tin roof now and Kesar will keep her on the edge, nothing creepy, gropy about it for me. This charecteization of Kesar has made the show much more interesting I was getting tired of seeing him cry.

Originally posted by: trifolia

Caution: I tend to write with some wry sarcasm...

Hi Trifolia,

Your write well and sense👏👏...partly why I am taking a shot replying to you😳...Would love to read your answers...though I must confess I am not a regular at IF...but will catch up.

So Gulaal is turning Vasanth's dream of a "united we stand" village into a nightmare...In ten years by shutting of emotion, she has shut out all empathy for people - especially the ones she started out loving!

Gulaal seems to have turned from a regular girl to a cluless one track misled woman. Leave alone empathy, some of her actions seem plain hypocritical and far fetched.

I think Gulaal plainly underestimates everyone...take for example Motabha...a man who is astute, wise and compassionate. This is the same Motabha who very well knows what a bunch of bad eggs Jamnaa Kaki is ...but he has still held on to her as she is wedded to his brother.

I think Motabha and Paanbaa deserve to have been told who killed their son...along with their sons wishes to keep the family united...Maybe then they also would have decided to forgive/ or tolerate Dushyant for his sins. Why make Gulaal the only Goddess and all others with feet of clay.😕

If I were a parent and someone kills my child...firstly I deserve to know...that is my fundamental right😳...Secondly, I will of course be enraged at the person who did it...but I will be equally enraged at the person who hid this fact from me.

Examples like the above including her playing fairy tale Godmother to Talli makes one doubt whether Gulaal even thinks through things or is just plainly following the amar pavitra narii kahani of Indian TV serials😆😆

Today's episode was creepy - NeilB, did a brilliant job as usual as did ManasiP (it is really not easy to assay the role of an animated yet zombified widow so convincingly). Neil's portrayal of Kesar might give some women an uncomfortable feeling. He is a brilliant actor.

Ohh Neil Bhatt is an amazing actor😳😳...if you get time watch some of the 12/24 Karol Baug episodes...I loved it how his expression changed from plain to pure devilish everytime his gaze moved to Gulaal in the mega episode.

Gulaal is the ultimate enabler - enabling selfishness in others. Yet she too has turned into someone who is selfishly in love with her own ideals and promises - at the cost of anothers life.

Hahahah this line made me write to you😊...for you are bang on in calling a spade ...well a spade...😆

Kesar was bang on when he told Gulaal ...who the hell gave her a right to play God...

In her own configured mind...she seems to have one definition...what she does is for the family and Vasant...what everyone else does is plain selfishness and uncalled for. She is so blinded by her misguided ideals now...that she has not realised that she is simply breaking up the very family Vasant told her to keep intact...😆😆😆😆😆😆😆...by giving Jamnaa Kaki and the villagers a reason to link her with Dushyant, by driving Kesar into a vengeful existence which when he awakens will further break him down 😭 and by ...once again igniting the fight between the maternal home and her saruraal over this Kesar Talli marriage...Oh Lord!!...we need one more water search scene and good old Vasant to make everything normal😳

She is blind to the fact that there many who upset by what they see in her puppet drama - the most important one being Kesar himself. She has denied him the right to a choice she made at Kesar's age - that of rejecting a promise made to Durgesh (who was enamoured with her) and his family because she was in love with someone else.

Well I have highlighted this may times in my limited posts...its a different thing not many people respond to me😆😆😆😆😆...maybe because I am not driven to see a serial by a jodi...but by its content...

Anyways, Gulaal seems to have one yardstick for herself and another for others...

a) Of course she has her individuality and freedom...therefore she decided to come to Talsagra against her dad's wishes

b) Of course she has her individuality and freedom...therefore she decided to run away with Vasant which Vasant sensibly refused

c) Of course she has her individuality and freedom...she decided to marry a 12 year old child (unless the definition of chlidren has changed)

d) Of course she has her individuality and freedom...so she decided to shield a family's wrong doer (Dushyant) in the name of family honor

e) Of course she has her individuality and freedom...so she mis-led another child of 12 years into imagining marital bliss right from the age of 12

but of course ...Kesar has no right to freedom and individuality...and why ...because Madam Gulaal thinks its good for the family😆😆😆😆

Her not being able to love Kesar, instead living with Vasanth's photo nostalgically pickling imlis in a drawer, is her choice for herself. However she assumes a marriage for a little boy and imposes it on him because it is her promise to a little girl fed on fairy tales! How is this different from child marriage?

I am singularly impressed by you because you made this statement above (underlined)👏👏👏👏...

more than Gulaal I am disappointed that fellow educated, liberated women/ girls who have access to first world environment, new age tools like the internet and are perhaps in first world countries...think that there was a Gulaal Kesar soul or whatever you call it semi-romantic bond...when Kesar was 12...Please!!!!...

12 year olds are children...marrying any gender (male or female) of that age is a criminal offence...no matter how much a TV serial's TRP demands or how much there is a jodi you are craving to see, or how much noble the cause...I have a twelve year old cousin and honestly I will prosecute the person who will even harbor the thought of marrying her when she is a child.

By all means show a older woman falling for a young guy...by all means show a Kesar Gulaal love track...by all means show a grown up Kesar falling for his bhabhi and wanting to marry her...but that child Deyarvattu was totally uncalled for and a TV serial should not be so regressive and then be applauded for such regression by justifying eternal bonds.

I loved Motabha when he very rightly and bravely said that Gulaal-Kesars so called Deyarvattu is not a marriage...not under the Indian law (Am proud of Indian laws for once) and not in his eyes👏👏👏👏

There are deep cracks that have been created, there people who have been polarised simply because they dont have full disclosure. No dictator, no matter how benevolent and well meaning can foster a healthy community where he/she takes unilateral decisions wherin members do not participate in the decision making process simply because they are never given full disclosure or an opportunity ...maybe this marriage will happen, maybe it wont...but it reminds us that we cannot make promises and choices for others. A free society needs to its people breathe and choose freely.

Very well said, Gulaal has now succeded in thrashing Vasants dreams

a) the divide between Jamnaa Kaki and Motabha's family has only worsened with the Dushyant-Gulaal rumor

b) Gulaal's parents are now once again deeply anguished and feel that Motabha's family has betrayed them

c) Kesar has seeminly turned from a mis-led young man to a vengeful guy who will go at no lengths to spoil another innocent individual's life only to spite Gulaal

d) Motabha's family has even more deeper emotional issues to deal with

Would Vasanth have done the same as Gulaal? I doubt it.

I do not think so, Vasant was a die-heard optimist...but not a closed up self proclaimed do-gooder

He brought Gulaal to Talsagra and let the panch decide the future direction. He refused to elope with Gulaal knowing that it would bring more discord between two warringvillages - he refused to impose his choice. Vasanth's dream could not have been about an unhappy Kesar by imposing somebody as dumb as Talli on him would it?

I agree with you on the Vasant bits...Vasant's character (and now Dushyant's) seems to be most credibly written...Vasant always stood for good and sense...and now Dushyant is a classic example of how redemption is ever so elusive

However, I have a different take from you on Talli😳...Given a choice I would not want Talli's character to be introduced in the serial...but now that it is...I feel no hatred for her...Frankly I pity Talli...she seems to have the worst of horrors written for her...no parents, adopted by a family where two women treat her like their doll house barbie and promise her gifts labelled Kesar...and the other family indifferent to her, if not plain hating her (Jamnaa) ...And now if she does marry Kesar whom at least she truly loves...she is set for even bigger horror...an abusive and manipulative husband, if Kesar really carries out all the threats he intends to.

I can only pity Talli and the state she is in.

The CVs seem headed towards bigamy, a path too well trodden -

Bigamy???...nopes...as Mothabha wisely remarked...there is no marriage between Kesar and Gulaal...

yes Kesar loves Gulaal...by now it is evident to most people including perhaps Gulaal that he loves her, but married, they are not...not under the Constitution of India...and not even per the current configuration of Gulaal's heart.

killing what the current core viewers appreciated about the show -the hope of a Kes-Gul relationship and its evolution. The crutch of bigamy- kabhi sauten-kabhi saheli-kabhi dushman is a tired old nag. But how do you trust a set of CVs who subjected us to that strange nighttime dance of Talli's (as opposed to all those colourful dances by Gulaal and troupe)?

hahahahahaha...I must confess I am one of the few people who like Hally Shah...she has got talent...at least more than the bahus that abound Star Plus's variety of same khichdi-different package serials possess...but that dance was pure nightmare😆😆😆😆😆

Like other members and posters on this forum said Shaadi Mubarak!!!...Oh and please feel free to hit the remote in case we subjected to more insanity...

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The only insanity for me will be if Kesar truly carries out his threat and turns evil or revengeful...which I doubt he will...my only hopes for this serial are from Kesar...and from Neil Bhatts smouldering talent😳...and perhaps Dushyant aka Sushant Singh's confrontation with Kesar at some point...

...as for Gulaal...I am done with her...coz I have limited patience with someone who refuses to see reason or respect anothers feelings...or even simple plain love that Kesar has for her or the respect and love Talli and Gulaal's parents have for her which Gulaal is abusing...

in any case...there is only one God ...so I am not so much enthralled when humans like Gulaal decide to enact God😳😳😳

Cheers Trifolia...it was a welcome change reading this and replying to you...😳😳