Mental illness theory (Read at the risk of getting disappointed) - Page 16

Completely in alignment with your views. Pretty much in sync with how I saw it since the leap and Virakhi marriage.

And the very reason why I was finding it difficult to watch. Because while making these predictions and assumptions, one thing was constant. Nothing really seemed justified enough for Sai and Virat union. Not that this will. He has too many blunders to his credit. But somewhere it is imperative that they give a very strong justification that can at least partially redeem him of this action of marriage..even a fake one at that.

With V's character shredded to pieces, it will be difficult to sustain him as an ML and worthy of Sai. So they will have to at least stitch some of these pieces together to give him some form.

That is where Sadhika's point makes up.

But I seriously doubt Vankar's capability with anything remote here.

Thank you for sharing a scene wise analysis from this perspective ❤️. I had skipped the last few episodes. And now I watched with only Sadhika's angle. So now I have two versions and perfectly fitting in :-)

No one is justifying Virat here. Rono as a character was wonderfully developed by Leena. He is what he is...he has his own mind, makes mistakes and stands by others at the cost of his own family life. But his loyalty to his wife is proven in the end. That is how he is written. You cant make him otherwise. his character was believable though it doesnt fit the idealistic scenario.

Similary Emon's character has insecurities. So finally when she sees her husband single and not moving on despite his perceived emotional closeness to RK, she will understand her place in his life.

So sticking with that story, everyone wants Virat to be untouched in heart and body for Sai. No one wants Sai to get back to him if he has married Pakhi. Genuine SaiRat fans included. Because SiaRat is shown like that. That is reason everyone is hoping that Virat has reasons to behave the way he does. People still believe in his love for Sai. If there is any khot in it, NOONE wants SaiRat.

Sai and her children should be the endgame. No amount of him pleading forgiveness or owning up his mistakes will make him the same Virat Sai had fallen in love with, or the Virat who loved Sai.

Just saying.

I have searched for explanations to justify V myself many a time because I have rooted for Sairat for a long time and I'd like to believe that V may be flawed but his love for Sai was real.

but no amount of justification of insane circumstances can make him the Virat she was in love with, because whether fake or real he has given Sai's place in his life to PP for whatever reason- even if it is out of pity or guilt for her situation. how does Sai recover from the knowledge that for several years PP HAS lived with V as his wife and as mother to his children, shared a bedroom with him, has won over the whole family. the whole dil mein jagah sirf Sai ki hai is all kehne ki baat. Dil mein jagah sirf Sai ki thi toh zindagi mein bhi kabhi kisi aur ke liye jagah nahi hoti- and he would have never agreed even for namesake to do everything he has done. if in heart/body V still feels like is only and only for Sai then that should reflect in his actions. A man who is eternally committed to only one woman would never entertain even the IDEA of another wife even if its only on paper or only for her health or for humanitarian grounds. and if he did, he would not let the pretence continue for this long where they essentially have a child together. V may not call PP aai but he also doesnt call her kaku, he calls her MUMMA. unlike Shruti kaand where he lied about her being his wife where there was still an anticipated expiry date on that lie, here there isnt even an expiry date. IF PP is mentally well and cured also, will they separate and start living in separate rooms and separate houses ? What about Vinu then? will he have divorced parents? so this was not thought out. he just acted and he didnt consider what it will mean for them both, the family and for the child they are raising together.

more than fake marriage and circumstances leading up to the marriage, it is very important that he not get whitewashed as mahaan for his deeds but acknowledges his mistakes and asks for forgiveness. Neither Sai nor V are the same people they used to be. Sai can forgive and reconcile with V 2.0- if she feels like his love is real, if his repentance is real and if she trusts that in future he will not pull more such stunts. that his guilt and soft corner towards pp is not bigger than his love for her. As much as an explanation for his fake marriage to PP is required, it is equally important that he pleads for forgiveness too. because if only the former happens and he gets to be mahaan and Sai is blamed then its not fair.

in my mind, KD was a failure in the end because Emon-Rono reunite not organically and out of fate, choices and mutual consent but because RK "frees" him and decides that she has truly moved on and reformed. it became Emon blame and Rono mahaan at the end which is utterly unfair. Emon gave him ENOUGH chances to see her POV and listen to her but he didnt so she gave up and left and in the end she was extremely mature and level-headed whereas Rono was still egotistical. He never kept in contact with Emon or his daughter even from afar but he was in touch with RK. And if RK didnt feel guilty, Emon - Rono would have always been separated. thats a sad story not a love story.

Addendum 1

part of owning up for mistakes is also to acknowledge that he has screwed up by choosing to be husband to PP in a moment of madness and that is really an unforgivable thing. If he had cared for her from afar only because he feels guilt towards her state and his role in it, there was still room for redemption but by giving her the identity of wife and mother to his child he has erred majorly. He had options of caring by spending for her treatment, even allowing her to live in CN but never ever entertaining and encouraging her delusions. and so far what they are showing of V is that he is inching towards "moving on". He has allowed her to perform sacred rituals with him that only a wife can do (like ganpati puja). if he was so keen on not giving Sai's place to PP, he'd have ensured mohit-karishma did that ritual or devi-pulkit or he could make Vinu hold the murti like Savi did.. those small moments would make a big difference. He has listed her as his wife in school and hospital records. his family is treating her as his wife and their bahu. He is sharing a room with her- not just any room but the same room that he had with Sai! that was a sacred space. so he has given her all the haq of a wife and the intimacy- emotional and physical is lacking and the way they are showing it, that is also a matter of time. Voh toh Sai ab beech mein ajayegi varna he seems to genuinely believe that she has done a lot for his family and genuinely respects her. next he has proposed friendship also. friendship is a beautifu and pure relationship. after everything pp has done, can she be his friend also. that itself is not acceptable, forget wife. We all opposed to Sai allowing JM near Savi and here V thinks of her as friend and family member. so he is entertaining the "thought of moving on" - maybe not love, sex, yet but he is soft with her. and thats bad enough. after everything pp has donem she still has a hold on him. I agree the mental illness theory is nice because it offers some explanation for his concern about pp because there is pity and guilt involved rather than love, but then again if it has led to a "marriage" in any capacity- fake also- it means that he didnt really factor in Sai- their memories, their relationship and the sanctity of that bond. If he only eternally loved Sai, then how can V allow anyone in the world to identify him as being any other woman's husband even for namesake? he should have found another solution. is pp's well being and the guilt over her state more important than Sai and his guilt over Sai dying!

Addendum 2

The things he brushes off as "small things" or little "pleasures" he is giving PP are exactly the things that over time accumulate into a marital bond. doing the rituals in a puja that only a husband and wife do are not to be casually brushed away. allowing her to iron his clothes, bring him food, serve him meals are all small things that accumulate over time giving her the domestic feelings and the feeling that she can have haq on him and expect things from him. he has clicked a picture with her in shaadi outfit and with both of them sporting a mundavalya. so tomorrow they can claim that he also signed a piece of paper - it has no emotional value. aise bolte bolte toh everything can be given an explanation by him.

Would he accept it if he saw that Sai had posed for a photo as if she is married with another guy for ANY reason or if she did any sacred ritual with another man that only a husband could do? He lived with Shruti too but at least he was in another house and presumably in separate rooms. Even that was problematic but it got whitewashed. He never did apologize for what Sai went though when she felt that she had lost her husband to another woman and that he had left her and his own house and family to stand by shruti and live with her under one roof- it was a lot of heartache that Sai never shared with him and that he never apologized for. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Here he has allowed PP to inhabit his-Sai's room in the capacity of a wife. does he recall how he felt when he saw ajinkya in his room with Sai. the least he could do is to use a different room and keep this room intact - maybe locked with every memory intact. and no matter what the distance is between her-V and her- Vinu, her identity is of being V's wife and Vinu's mom. and that is a big deal.

the biggest help V can do if PP is mentally ill is to cut himself off, appoint another guardian for her 24 x 7 and let her deal with her problems and recover. Not to enable her delusions.

One would think that in Sai's death V would think about what Sai would do in any situation and act like that...making her a partner in everything he does even after her death. would Sai approve of his current actions?

If V had never even in namesake given PP his wife identity, then this would have been an epic and eternal lovestory of Sairat. but sadly that golden chance to truly build sympathy for V by showing him as a devdas, robot who is compeletly shattered after sai's death and only does his work, living a mechanical life- that aspect has been lost. here when he flips to looking all melancholic it looks so fake. like he has been reminded that he hasnt fulfilled his quota of evoking self pity and sympathy for the day.

I agree the KD ending is not like a love story. Rono was egoistic that he did not reach out to Emon. Thats why they brought in this track here where Virat assumes her to be dead. They have definitely taken the path of eternal love story. If they have to prove that Virat's love for Sai withstood the test of time, transending death then the only way it is possible is to have him pretend as Pakhi's husband so she recovers. He owns his share of responsibility in screwing up her life. Through surrogacy this time. A person who owns up his mistake and tries to correct it shows his mental strength. However, if he had 'thought' of moving on with her, in any capacity then it is not the virat who loved Sai. Sai is a just a passing affair...who will fade after sometime. I doubt they will show that way, because they made him assume she is dead unlike in KD where he was too angry to reach her out.

That is the reason, I am holding on this mental illness plot. He is redeeming himself for the mistake of surrogacy by taking care of her. Just like a nurse. We will have to wait and see! If he indeed married her and trying to move on, I am the first one who wants Sai out of his life. Because, he cheated her~ even after death.

Just like in Sruthi's case he gave his name to Pakhi :P He lived under the same roof with Sruthi too. In Virat Chavan's world giving name is not a big deal. But yeah if he did court marriage also, then there are strings attached.

We have to see what happened in that 5 years before judging him. I read in one of the KD written updates that RK mentions that he is taking care of her just like he did for Sruthi. I hope P1 has that realization. That she is as good as sruthi or even less for him.

Ganapati puja and all are paraphernalia that comes with virat chavan's wife like msin mentioned. He is letting her get happiness in small things.

See when he is in 'reality' mode with Pakhi, he is not even touching her. Only when she is in that 'hamara' bacha, 'mera' pati zone, he talks to her and touches her. Why? The extra camera time on the touch-no-touch has some significance. Yes there are still lot more unknowns, so we have to wait.

The biggest unknown is Vinu-Pakhi relation. Why the boy is not attached to her.

Pad kar acha laga par muje nahiin lagtha yeh prediction sach hoga . Itna complex storyline inki bas ki baat nahiin . Complex marriage nahiin dekha sake sahin tarike se . Kabhi lagtha hain Virat Pakhi bahot comfortable hain aur kabhi uska opposite hain …

We are all looking for signs.

I'm stuck at Vinu. His distance from P. If she got him home, then why is she not "Aai"? While he may be closer to V, what makes him a lil distant from P. What is it that Vinu found in Sai, in a single meeting, but P could not give him in all these years.

I may be wrong here, but does Vinu consciously try not to come between V and P? Every time there is a situation he tries to excuse himself, and not be a hindrance. If it is true, does that have a history? Something that has had some impact on Vinu....he doesn’t like fights, he is not close to P, he doesn't call her "Aai", and he tries to give them their personal space. Another point is, if Vinu is so close to V and has special needs and V and P don't share a physical relationship....what made them make Vinu sleep in a separate room? With P being the doting mother, shouldn’t she be concerned at him sleeping alone and prefer it otherwise?

Why is there a constant tussle between "Mera" and "Humara" when it comes to Vinu. Why does V always say "mera" and P is correcting him. And that correction is independent of Virakhi equation. Where P is desperately trying to find validation, ownership and rights. Doesn’t it seem like we are missing something there? Rather it seems like Vinu was her weapon, and she invested deeply into him to achieve something...but it seems he did not reciprocate as she wanted. She continues to use him. She may have started to love him genuinely, but is still using him. And over the years she has become attached, and is hurt that he doesn’t reciprocate with equal fervour.

One more thing that comes to my mind. P and Jagtap parallel. P entered as love, Jagtap entered as Evil/Abuser. Both in their respective form due to their desire for something. But see how the very desire/person shapes and changes them.

Jagtap's was evil when he stalked, harassed, kidnapped and forced Sai to marry him...and eventually killing her Aaba. His evil form intact with his re-entry, where he tried to sexually assault Sai, kidnapped her, planned to kill her unborn child, and killed Sam. The hospital hostage drama was the phase where he had some reflection and now he is seeking penance. And he found love through Savi.

On the contrary, P was love..in love with V. She was initially sensitive and considerate even in her loss, but slowly she started to turn Evil in her desire. And her evil form rose to its peak (supposedly) with the surrogacy track. By the end of it she started to reflect and repent. And now seemingly seeking forgiveness through her sacrifices. And found love in Vinu (and V in some space).

Supposing their stories are parallel, but in reverse order, P is not supposed to find love...she is supposed to turn more darker.

Also, like Moor or Sadhika mentioned...Chavans have no sense of guilt. They have not realised their mistakes. Since P has turned ideal bahu, it is proved that they were right and Sai was wrong in her judgement. Also, the happiness and harmony in P's reign is also a judging parameter for them that Sai was the ill-fit. Even if Sai returns, nothing can change this perspective. Blame will still lie with Sai.

Like I mentioned before, this cannot change without P being the sleeping snake. The one who has always been scheming her way to their hearts. And that is why my mid constantly drifts to the Jungle promo..and her "Mrs Virat Chavan".

Fake pregnancy may open V's eyes, but at this point the way Chavans are besotted with P, they will stand by her and become her accomplice in this plan. They will do anything to keep her as the DIL and wife of V.

Coming to Sai. Combining something Nutty and Sadhika have spoken about. If V had gone after Sai, would she have returned? Now applying this to current stage. If V tells her that he assumed her to be dead, and regretted letting her go, the separation will wash off Sai's anger. She will be willing to listen further and he may able to resolve it out with Sai. In fact Sai may feel guilty of putting them all through this and wish that she had returned. Again, V is saved and Sai is crucifying herself. But his relationship status is what will change things now...his marriage with P. Which would render all of V's arguments and justifications meaningless. Because if he really repented, then how could he marry the woman who was the cause of it.

For the sake of drama, we may have Sai being abused and accused from all corners. She will be living through hell, but she has to rise out shining from this, and the very same people who are pointing fingers have to come begging for apology. Long road...and too many bumps! And in the end the question remains...was it all worth it?

Originally posted by: Sherry24

We are all looking for signs.

I'm stuck at Vinu. His distance from P. If she got him home, then why is she not "Aai"? While he may be closer to V, what makes him a lil distant from P. What is it that Vinu found in Sai, in a single meeting, but P could not give him in all these years.

Yes, I am thinking he knows she is not his Aai. Virat might have told him that. Why "mumma" for her. when Aai is the standard in CN. Also, their relationship is confusing. Look at how they were yesterday. Very loving. I think Pakhi has some hidden side that makes Vinu distant from her. Or as a child he knows her affection for him is not genuine.

I may be wrong here, but does Vinu consciously try not to come between V and P? Every time there is a situation he tries to excuse himself, and not be a hindrance. If it is true, does that have a history? Something that has had some impact on Vinu....he doesn’t like fights, he is not close to P, he doesn't call her "Aai", and he tries to give them their personal space. Another point is, if Vinu is so close to V and has special needs and V and P don't share a physical relationship....what made them make Vinu sleep in a separate room? With P being the doting mother, shouldn’t she be concerned at him sleeping alone and prefer it otherwise?

I think Pakhi gets Vinu and Virat recovers and choses to adopt him. But yesterday he himself said Pakhi is Vinu's mother. They have an agreement officially. which we do not know. When Pakhi is in her normal behaviour, she doesnt obsess about him. Rather she gives Virat more role over Vinu. It is very confusing. I would assume, she adopted and got him. Virat too adopted him later. May be the marriage angle comes from there. When Pakhi is in normal mode, she doesnt claim wife rights.

Why is there a constant tussle between "Mera" and "Humara" when it comes to Vinu. Why does V always say "mera" and P is correcting him. And that correction is independent of Virakhi equation. Where P is desperately trying to find validation, ownership and rights. Doesn’t it seem like we are missing something there? Rather it seems like Vinu was her weapon, and she invested deeply into him to achieve something...but it seems he did not reciprocate as she wanted. She continues to use him. She may have started to love him genuinely, but is still using him. And over the years she has become attached, and is hurt that he doesn’t reciprocate with equal fervour.

Yes that is also something we dont know. He keeps saying mera bachcha. May be only he adopted when Pakhi brought him home. And through marriage, she became default mother. Sometimes I think his marriage to her is independent of vinu. He married her because she is sick in mind. He was supporting her like that.

One more thing that comes to my mind. P and Jagtap parallel. P entered as love, Jagtap entered as Evil/Abuser. Both in their respective form due to their desire for something. But see how the very desire/person shapes and changes them.

Jagtap's was evil when he stalked, harassed, kidnapped and forced Sai to marry him...and eventually killing her Aaba. His evil form intact with his re-entry, where he tried to sexually assault Sai, kidnapped her, planned to kill her unborn child, and killed Sam. The hospital hostage drama was the phase where he had some reflection and now he is seeking penance. And he found love through Savi.

On the contrary, P was love..in love with V. She was initially sensitive and considerate even in her loss, but slowly she started to turn Evil in her desire. And her evil form rose to its peak (supposedly) with the surrogacy track. By the end of it she started to reflect and repent. And now seemingly seeking forgiveness through her sacrifices. And found love in Vinu (and V in some space).

No the negative , obsessive Pakhi doesnt care about Vinu. Vinu is just an instrument. The positive and sober Pakhi cares about him but not attached. Thats why the kid is confused. Also, Vinu is worried about his dad throughout in the camp. Why?

Supposing their stories are parallel, but in reverse order, P is not supposed to find love...she is supposed to turn more darker.

Also, like Moor or Sadhika mentioned...Chavans have no sense of guilt. They have not realised their mistakes. Since P has turned ideal bahu, it is proved that they were right and Sai was wrong in her judgement. Also, the happiness and harmony in P's reign is also a judging parameter for them that Sai was the ill-fit. Even if Sai returns, nothing can change this perspective. Blame will still lie with Sai.

Like I mentioned before, this cannot change without P being the sleeping snake. The one who has always been scheming her way to their hearts. And that is why my mid constantly drifts to the Jungle promo..and her "Mrs Virat Chavan".

Fake pregnancy may open V's eyes, but at this point the way Chavans are besotted with P, they will stand by her and become her accomplice in this plan. They will do anything to keep her as the DIL and wife of V.

Coming to Sai. Combining something Nutty and Sadhika have spoken about. If V had gone after Sai, would she have returned? Now applying this to current stage. If V tells her that he assumed her to be dead, and regretted letting her go, the separation will wash off Sai's anger. She will be willing to listen further and he may able to resolve it out with Sai. In fact Sai may feel guilty of putting them all through this and wish that she had returned. Again, V is saved and Sai is crucifying herself. But his relationship status is what will change things now...his marriage with P. Which would render all of V's arguments and justifications meaningless. Because if he really repented, then how could he marry the woman who was the cause of it.

For the sake of drama, we may have Sai being abused and accused from all corners. She will be living through hell, but she has to rise out shining from this, and the very same people who are pointing fingers have to come begging for apology. Long road...and too many bumps! And in the end the question remains...was it all worth it?

I am hoping Virat will reveal it all to Sai. Thats is the only way ahead if he has to earn some trust from her!!. Or they can show us what happened when Virat breaksdown after finding Sai and fleeing in anger.

High time they need to reveal what happened during separation otherwise, people will not root for sairat.

The distance between Vinu and P, he calling her mumma is why I assumed V adopted and bonded with Vinu first. P entered the equation later as mumma. If he doesnt know he is adopted, then maybe P is stepmother? Another questions that comes to my mind is, does he know the reality of V and P complex marriage?

During the Judaai song, V’s flashback has him and Sai, not their Vinu. Adopted Vinu has filled that loss. He had really treated Vinu as his own. Probably thats why Vinu is closer to V.

This is where I connect to the khulasa promo. Savi brought P and V. Thats what she hopes for, a complete family with mother and father. Vinu was the one who brings Sai. The word ‘Aai’ came out with just a hug from Sai. He probably felt the warmth that he never felt with P. V said that doctor auntie has changed Vinu’s mindset positively. Thats what he lacks in CN.

P’s flashback showed that she is sad on missing out on the Maldives trip, not Vinu’s treatment. Also Vinu has Sai’s DNA too. Sai can read people. Maybe Vinu can feel the genuineness in P’s love😃.

Surrogacy was P’s way to get closer to V. Now probably Vinu is her connection to V. They are his parents. She admitted that Vinu is closer to V and she feels distanced from him. Thats why the constant need of validation, ownership, rights, etc. She is using the mother card but she is insecure as a mother.

One thing that differs between P and Jagtap is P didnt receive punishment. She went to jail, reflected on her mistakes and bought out in half a day. When she return to CN, Sai leaves with Vinu and both ends up ‘dead’. With Sai never coming back ever, there is no reminder of her ‘mistakes’ and she doesnt feel any threat for her dark side to come out. Now everything is the way she always wanted. Today we saw she still holds grudge against Sai for coming into V’s life. That itself shows that her repentance didnt last long. She thinks Sai wronged her, not the other way around. The moment she knows Sai is alive and there is Savi too, she will turn darker. Maybe more darker than before.

Without Sai in their life, Chavans will never realise they were wrong. But if Sai returns to CN, they will be blinded by their ‘hatred’ to Sai or Sai’s ‘hatred’ to P or their love for P. Thats why they should keep Sai in Kankavli for a while. Sai have gained supporters to have hospital in the village, she cannot just leave them without getting the hospital built.

We both see V marrying P out of guilt. Your view is based on Virat’s guilt for the vaada and surrogacy that effected P’s mental health. Mine is the same, just from a different perspective.

In the beginning, V was ready to fund Sai’s education to fulfill his vaada to KJ. But his guilt for KJ’s death followed by Sai’s suicide attempt was the driving factor for the marriage. He had unknowingly broken his promise to P by marrying Sai. No matter how wrong his vaada to P was, he had broken it. And I have not seen him admitting being wrong for it. Instead he had asked P to forget about it and move forward. P saying she had started falling for Samrat has in a way shown he was not wrong in getting them married. Its just that Samrat’s sudden death has taken away her chance at happiness.

Coming to surrogacy. No matter how P become the surrogate, the truth is she did bring Vinayak, ghar ka chirag, to the world. This was also the reason the family wanted to bail her out. V was with P along her pregnancy journey and did her delivery. She even said that in a way she is a mother to Vinu too. There is a bond between P and Vinu from day 1, and V was witness to this.

Sai left the house with Vinu and both ends up dead. It seems like all are angry at Sai for taking Vinu away and pushing him to death. The mourning was more for Vinu’s death. For now, lets assume P is unaware of Vinu’s identity. She also mourned the death of the child she has carried in her womb for 9 months. Loss of her motherhood. V had said he held himself responsible for the accident, for Sai and Vinu’s death. Maybe the guilt of Vinu’s death is the reason he married P. To allow P to be the mother to Vinu.

Ashwini’s word made him change from being distant and hurting P to being a better friend and making her happy in little way he can. The Maldives trip he was clear to P that they are going as friends. No vaada, no umeed, not even hum, but you and me. The neck pillow and offering to bring her wherever she wants, I didnt see any romantic inclination from V to P. But this change was read differently by the family and P, not a surprise.

The next infamous vaada was to Sada. V shot Sada as a police officer. But he felt guilty as a friend. That was his driving factor. He let Sai go knowing he is breaking his promise to KJ. He gave Shruti the identity of his wife and Sahas his son. After Shruti’s truth was out, whatever happened was never discussed between Sai and V. He didnt see why Sai reacted the way she did, so there is no realization of where he wronged her. All he knows he never betrayed Sai.

In a way, his marriage to P is a rehash of Shruti track. The difference is this marriage is real and Vinu is V-P son. But for V, eventhough they are married, they are not husband and wife. V has not betrayed Sai. The mistake he didnt realize then, he will realize now. And its on him to clear the mess and make things right🤞🏼