Mental illness theory (Read at the risk of getting disappointed) - Page 15

No yaar, this plot is there in KD. except that there, it is before separation.

Originally posted by: Sherry24

Like you said somewhere, with the surrogacy, P has been tied to V and Sai forever. There is nothing that can break that, except P's elimination. Now how that happens is our "wait and watch" game.

We don't know Vinu's status yet, and how that will impact the custody. Going by Sadhika's theory, P will only get more vile with this. I too had heard that RK was more classy, which makes P has been more like a spoilt brat (probably mentally ill). And with that P has to become more sinister in her attempts to get V and Vinu.

There is no way BK and the Chavans would realise their mistakes, until they see the consequences in a very destructive way.

Like nethraa predicted, they can fit in fake pregnancy here. After Sai knows and believes what virat is saying is true. once Sai gets back to CN, P2 will move her last pawn. Sai stands by him breaking one last hope of P2.

Originally posted by: xfiles

Ideal situation is definitely Sai not going back to Virat . But we know Vankar will find a way to make Sairat the end game. In that case, Sadhika’s theory is the only thing that makes sense and give redemption to Paki and Virat in the end .

Lets just hope for the best

I personally can’t take any more cringe and toxicity. Its now supersaturated 🤢

agree. but then if Sairat are endgame and V is going to claim his majboori due to PP mental illness then he still needs to acknowledge that regardless of the circumstances he IS WRONG. he needs to woo Sai back. he needs to apologize. he needs to repent a lot. He needs to do some major paschyataap to make Sai trust him. He cannot afford to act as if he is the victim and he is "holier than thou" And Sai is wrong to feel cheated or upset or angry. And thats where I am doubtful that they will turn this all into Sai's fault. As if he wouldnt have erred if Sai didnt leave or Sai had come back instead of leaving for good after accdient and letting him assume shes dead.... their track record in terms of showing Sai's valid grievances addressed has been abysmal.

There needs to be acknowledgment that Sai felt SO broken that she had no reason left to stay and he pushed her to that with his behavior, words and actions all of which were completely irrational. She snapped because she had been tolerating a LOT and it was her tolerance breached. She felts cheated as a partner that he picked pp over her repeatedly (surrogacy, pregnancy journey, post pregnancy handing kid, bail and bringing her home) and now she will see it play out for real too....that he picked pp to be in his life even when she was DEAD indirectly due to PPs stunts. PP didnt murder Sai but pushed her to the situation which presumably took her life.

And my issue is that they dont seem to ever realize that Sai is the one most wronged and always make her the guilty person who gets blamed by all.

I cant get over UM premonition dialogue that what if savi picks her baba over you to sai.

Savi is all Sai has and lives for :(

Sai had no reason to go back

1. She felt like V had exposed his true feelings about her and their relationship by everything he said and that shook her. she cannot get over those words. it was everything she had been insecure about which he said out loud despite claiming he loves her.

2. She felt guilty about Vinu's death and knew that she would get blamed for his death by V and CN peeps

3. She was pregnant and it was a miracle and she couldnt afford to risk miscarriage or Savi 's safety- Savi potentially being handed to PP or Savi growing up in a place like CN. She needed a break to handle herself and Savi pregnancy. I feel like she would have gone back to being with V if V had genuinely repented, sent PP away, searched for her like crazy and found her and apologized, taken care of her during pregnancy. That was the test of whether he truly loved Sai or not- how much effort he puts into finding Sai. And he failed. he bever came for her. and after savi birth also, she sees no reason to go and inform a man who cared 2 hoots about her. at some point when savi is old enough she would have told her and let Savi decide what she wanted to do about that situation but she was clear that as a mother she could not afford to give Savi an upbringing in CN! And shes right. Savi despite her baba jaap is a much more happy, upbeat, positive, smart, strong child than Vinu who is a sensitive, sad and lonely kid even in a house full of people and was quite pessimistic until Sai/Savi's influence. His good qualities are essentially the Sai traits which is in his DNA- he did speak up against the bullies briefly before they pushed him and he does value others feelings before his own like his mother. inherently he is optimistic, ambitious and righteous but nature vs nurture mein unfortunately without Sai entering his life, nurture could win.

4. she felt herself alienated not just by her husband but by the entire family. Not ONE voice in her support. so she had no support.

True. I do feel that fake pregnancy will play out and mentioned it in a post sometime last week. That will be her last card when she feels everything is slipping away. It will be Sai's trust after SH track and V and family's wake up call

Also, in yesterday's episode, Vinu mentioned that pakhi's mom is sick. So yeah thats another reason why is still living off of Chavanese. The dad would have died for good and mom is sick.

Nice analysis. You analysed V and Ps behaviour for each scene so deeply👍🏼

I watched back the scenes you mentioned and try to see it the way you saw it. I did see them differently from the first time I saw it. But it is different from how you did. This is a bit long, so please bear with me.

Vinu said he doesnt like fight in the car. And the day he came back home and felt pain on his leg, he saw how P got angry because she was not told about his leg pain and the bully at camp. Vinu doesnt like that and explains the situation to her. V realized P has a right to know as the mother and apologizes. But P was still angry. Thats probably one of the reason Vinu is not close to P. Will have to see how he reacts to his jhagda champion Aai😉

While ironing clothes, P listened to V listing about her taking care of the family and business but triggered at taking zimmedari of Vinu. I will get to this later. He knows that as Vinu’s baba he should share things about him with his mother. P said she feels distanced from Vinu, so he tries to make her understand that Vinu will be closer to her as he grows up. He kept the conversation between Vinu’s parents, ignoring ‘mera pati’.

For now, the marriage seem real for me. Because of the ritual when V bought Bappa home. That can only be done by a wife and he didnt flinch or feel guilty of doing a ritual with someone who is not his wife. He was instead lost in Sai’s memory.

After the honeymoon topic, Ashwini had asked if this is how someone behaves with their wife, he was about to counter her, but Ashwini said yes, there is nothing like husband-wife between you two but your marriage is legal right and he agreed to it. He accepts they are married but never considered P as wife.

He lives with Sai’s memory and doesnt like it when Ashwini says Sai is gone, has no place in his life, he needs to forget her etc. P is aware of this. As long Sai stays in his memory, its ok. But when he says her name, he feels guilty because he knows P loves him and doesnt want to hurt her anymore. So he says sorry again. When P touched him while hugging Vinu, he quickly removes her hand and maintains physical distance. He didnt give any indication of feeling guilty and was awkward when Ninad said perfect family. But when he said the name Sai again, he held Ps hand himself. Trying to convey that he is really sorry. Probably thats the least he could do as he could not accept her as a wife. I may be wrong but I dont think he feels guilty of not accepting her as wife.

The scene where he was changing clothes kind off blurs the line between friend and husband-wife so he changes in the washroom and went out without interacting with her. He made sure P does not have hope as a wife.

He probably got angry at P about the honeymoon because he had assumed the P who loves him, knows and agreed to it. P realized why he got angry and said about separated bed, … , he didnt feel guilty but more like agreeing to her, as if they both have agreed upon this.

My assumption is P is the one who suggested adopting Vinu. But V is the one who adopted him. There are 2 reasons. First, V had said P takes zimmedari of Vinu. Second, at the hospital V said ‘you do so much for my child’. It seems like V has first right on Vinu, not shared with P. Another thing that doesnt click is Vinu calling P mumma, not Aai, as he calls V Baba. I think V has adopted Vinu and due to that V started getting better and the family too. Family seeing P bringing Vinu is the reason for this might have melted towards her. Since P also had lost the child she gave birth to, the family might have suggested marriage so that P can be the mother of Vinu. V feels he is responsible for what happened to Sai and Vinu. So in a way he might feel guilty to P for losing Vinu and agreed to the marriage too. But he was clear that it was just to be Vinu’s mother and they will remain as friends. Their relationship will not be of husband-wife and he will never accept her as wife.

Coming back, when P said about not having trust on her as a friend, thats when he realized his mistake and tried to explain himself. He said ajeeb and galat because it is for friends. I dont think he was shocked at P’s flip with the word ‘ajeeb’. It seem liked he was confused, ‘did I say something wrong’. When P questioned him whats wrong in it, he realized she took it as he had no trust on her as a friend again. He knows whatever P said about him was right. There was one point where P said she blames herself for not being able to do anything for him as a wife and V gave a sharp look. But he changes when P says that she couldnt do anything even as a friend. But he was unmoved. P realized it has no effect and switches back to Vinu’s parent.

About the trip, I feel its like a reward for P for doing so much for his family. He felt bad for getting angry. Ashwini’s words did change him. But he made it clear first that he is not giving any vaada or umeed. P had said that she is finally married to the man she has always loved but he doesnt acceptvher as wife. He was being careful and said they are going as friends.

This is purely how I see it. I may be wrong as I have been too before😃

I dont think P has serious mental illness. If she is, then letting her live in a delusion for years is not a solution. Till when are they going to continue the act? Maybe like Sai said V has DID, maybe P does too. But it is not serious just like V. If not Sai would have got him treated earlier.

Moor, I didnt mean she has mental health problem as in serious ones, but something like delusional and manipulative🤪. I too think P will do another kaand and her end will be her death.

every theory could be true at this point yaar. Your theory might fit well too.

My theory comes from KD, the original. If they are still follwoing it. There Rono remains single and unattached. Thats the gist of KD, he will not let anyother woman in his life. And here Virat's actions did seem like that. He is helping her recover, in a werid way. Thats what the doctor in KD told him to do. Give her little pelasures that she missed and she will come out of suicidal mode. We still dont know what happened in those 5 years. She could have been suicidal.

So yeah, it could be any way but I hope they follow KD here and show that Virat remained one woman man through out.

Originally posted by: Sherry24

How can V forgive P? - A constant question that has been playing on my mind and I have mentioned a few times. He is functioning from a place of guilt. Where he feels he was the cause of P's state. Right from his promise to her before her marriage to making her the surrogate mother. But he has not been able to forgive her. I did make a comparison between Jagtap and P being the 2 evil people in Sai's life. So while Sai on humanitarian grounds treated Jagtap, V is doing the same with (Not getting into what is acceptable here). Sai acknowledges that Jagtap has changed, but she hasn't forgiven him. So she lets Savi have her own bond with him. Giving him that reward for it, but making it clear he is not forgiven. Similarly, V hasn't forgiven P. It is on humanitarian grounds.

Coming to the closures, repentance.....Karma giving its due.

I'm not sure how KD worked and how this will, but I want to see how this can be aligned with your perspective.

P's delusions, mental illness have not just been highlighted by us (in jest or real), and Sai (Virat's hospitalisation). But they indeed were laying the foundation. Unrequited love, broken promise, husband's death....

Now in all this all it seems like V will again be hailed as "Mahaan" like SH track. While I do agree Sai was at fault there, but V had mistakes in his kitty too. But here while Sai may have been impulsive, coming from a place of fear and safety of her baby, V had wronged her. So where does that get Sai at?

A question that Nutty had asked sometime back. Would Sai have forgiven V if he had gone after her? Maybe, maybe not. But the things that were said had a very deep impact on Sai. So much so that Sai was questioning the authenticity of their marriage...his love for her. And where words fail actions have to pave way. So while there will be lots of trails and tribulations, this will prove to Sai that he loves her and even death can change that. While Sai trusted V, she doubted P's capability in manipulating V. Here, she will also realise, that he learnt his lesson, and even in manipulation he will not fall for P.

Coming to V. We have only seen V's guilt. No reflection. Maybe that has happened or will happen when there is another face off. Not just of surrogacy, but also SH track. V is only capable of seeing Sai's physical pain and not her emotional one. The fact that even the strongest need that support, and it is upto the partner to understand and lend it. Since such people never show their needy side. The hurt his words had caused Sai, the fear and lack of trust his actions had induced in Sai has to be understood by him. His actions, his faults. V's major punishment comes in the form that he missed Sai's pregnancy, Savi's birth and the X years of her life. He can never ave them back. But he will now also bear the consequences of his actions before leap. Here he has not factored in the fact that Sai could be alive. But in complicates things for him. Having his daughter and wife in front of him and yet not being able to be with them, will be his punishment. His ordeal in trying to win them over, while everything falls apart. The result of his decisions. Savi will become the flag bearer. He has seen her longing for her father. While he may be upset with Sai, he will be guilty of bringing this upon his daughter. Though this is his core character, but while he keepws the truth away from Sai and P and Chavans, the outburst it will cause, will be his lesson not to stall everything.

P we have discussed. She has everything, yet she will not have anything. Her delusions will get cleared when she knows that even after death, V never stopped loving Sai. And he always meant what he said, he can never love her or anyone else.. because he only loves Sai.

But in all this where is the family? BK, Ashwini and the others..who have and will continue their mistake streak. P has to get darker. Hence, P2 will have to become dominant. This will happen when Sai returns. So while initially everyone might empathise and support her, seeing V's pull towards Sai, P2 will take over from the loving P1. And she will cause harm. This is when Chavans will see the magnitude of the evil they had nurtured and unleashed. Seeing the aggressive and evil side of P will tell them that the old P still exists. And they are guilty of encouraging her and making them all go through this. BK allowing P to be surrogate started this. Ashwini, forcing her on her son, and badmouthing Sai. They will also realise the threat that Sai and Savi would have been under if Sai had stayed back.

The point is Chavans thought that they would be able to resolve the problem within CN. They believed that they can school P and they had already fallen for her tears. So if Sai had stayed P would have played her game again. And could have caused more damage. Now they will see what P is capable of and how they were wrong about P and how they had wronged Sai.

That will be Karma full circle.. provided they are intending on it.

I'm counting on your prediction to keep this watchable ❤️

Beautifully written❤️. My thoughts are aligned with you here🤗

Please read my post above too.

To me it seems like while audience really wants to forgive V because Sai-V will be endgame, yet every possibility being suggested still has loopholes and reeks of him doing something completely irrational and unnecessary to accommodate pp and consequently unfair to Sai- the memory of Sai and the love he shared with her and his marriage to her. He is really not obliged to care about PP this much and certainly not to the extent of enabling her delusions to this degree where for several years she has been living with the label of his wife and his child's mother. and at the end of it all, V and PP both getting WW as doing some mahaan thing is the most disservice and disrespectful to Sai. You only take this much effort to help someone that you have a soft corner and innate feelings for. I dont see him doing SO much for Karishma,pulkit, rajeev etc for example. Instead of V whitewash and excuses to justify his behavior by, in my mind what can actually help the situation is if makers show him acknowledge that he has screwed up big time, Sai was right to leave him and there is GENUINE remorse and regret and him moving heaven and hell to apologize to Sai and prove to her that there is no one in his life except her and that he will do anything to get her back in his life. basically we need to see V in the mode Sai was when she was trying to manao him, except maybe like 100x more because he has screwed up WAY more and the consequences are WAY worse here. Instead if he turns against her and uses pp, vinu and family to spite her as payback for hiding and not telling him about Savi without looking at WHY she did everything and the VALIDITY of it all, then theres no hope left. If he snatches Savi from Sai then there no hope. He needs to realize that Sai would not hide from him and keep Savi away from her father and family ONLY out of "ego". She has to be really broken and hurt, and have given up on everything dear to her to choose a single parent lifestyle over going back to him. She has not had it easy and her choosing this tough life has many reasons, lot of incidents which have made a huge impact on her. its not as simple as- oh you didnt come for me so now I wont let you know your daughter. As a mother, as an orphan herself if she has opted to let her baby Savi not have a family but grow up with ONLY her , it is for a valid reason. its not out of spite or ego battle. she genuinely feels like V never did love her or care for her or their relationship and from his actions thus far I completely agree with that POV. Even now when V recalls Sai it seems insincere to me.

Spoiler : Pakhi to die . Virat in dark . YT MadTv channel said it .